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Read this, this morning seems that the haulage industry is going to be used as the cash cow to make up for the shortfall in VED and fuel duty, according to the RAC if you charge HGV’S by the mile then there will be less of them, as it will cut down empty running yet the main culprits for empty running are the supermarkets and logistics companies who will just pay the levy and not adjust their behaviour.
How about a £25 levy for every empty seat in your car, that would do more to reduce congestion £75 for a quick nip to the shops would soon have people walking one of the biggest causes of congestion is short needless journeys.
Mazzer2:
Read this, this morning seems that the haulage industry is going to be used as the cash cow to make up for the shortfall in VED and fuel duty, according to the RAC if you charge HGV’S by the mile then there will be less of them, as it will cut down empty running yet the main culprits for empty running are the supermarkets and logistics companies who will just pay the levy and not adjust their behaviour.
How about a £25 levy for every empty seat in your car, that would do more to reduce congestion £75 for a quick nip to the shops would soon have people walking one of the biggest causes of congestion is short needless journeys.
I believe that emission control system in vehicles only work at the their best when the vehicle is up to its optimum operating temperature, so what about the pollution caused by cars doing short runs and never reaching or spending very little time at their operating temperature?
I believe that emission control system in vehicles only work at the their best when the vehicle is up to its optimum operating temperature, so what about the pollution caused by cars doing short runs and never reaching or spending very little time at their operating temperature?
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The emissions argument has lost all credibility CO2 emissions are now rising at a fast level since diesel vehicles have been painted as the devil incarnate and the hysteria has lead to rising petrol car sales. It would help if the scientists could agree amongst themselves and politicians could resist the urge to go with populist policies that do not address the root cause of the problem but just raise taxes
I think it’s a brilliant idea … it works in Belgium Germany Austria etc… means with the proposed balance in a UK hauliers fuel duty and ved that all hauliers of all nationalities will pay towards the upkeep of our roads
The idea is to “level the playing field” between UK and foreign trucks: At the moment UK trucks pay VED and fuel tax. Foreign trucks don`t necessarily pay as much, coming in with big tanks full of cheap foreign fuel. Not a perfect solution, maybe, but surely a step in the right direction?
Rob and the Clown will be along shortly, to lecture you all on willingly bending over, because this is only the beginning and you will all end up being finger ed by VOSA everytime you take a slip road. .
(BTW, the government have already told us that this will eventually be rolled out across ALL traffic, by denying that cars will be charged by the mile 'at any time in the future '…
How do you know a politician is lying? His lips are moving…)
Mazzer2:
Read this, this morning seems that the haulage industry is going to be used as the cash cow to make up for the shortfall in VED and fuel duty, according to the RAC if you charge HGV’S by the mile then there will be less of them, as it will cut down empty running yet the main culprits for empty running are the supermarkets and logistics companies who will just pay the levy and not adjust their behaviour.
How about a £25 levy for every empty seat in your car, that would do more to reduce congestion £75 for a quick nip to the shops would soon have people walking one of the biggest causes of congestion is short needless journeys.
So a 7 seater for a family that has 6 kids takes them to school will get charged 150 quid to come home again? Then another 150 to go pick them up? Or takes 2 of them to football training on a Tuesday for a reasonable cost of 500 quid per round trip?
Little bit silly, eh.
Charging cars by the mile is a better idea, you have tossers doing 70k miles a year for £30 ‘road tax’ and someone like me paying £520 to do less than 4k. That would also cut down on unecessary journeys, which I totally agree are a massive cause of congestion.
A.
If that idiot Grayling has anything to do with it it will be the biggest ■■■■ up ever heard of.
Mazzer2:
according to the RAC if you charge HGV’S by the mile then there will be less of them, as it will cut down empty running yet the main culprits for empty running are the supermarkets and logistics companies who will just pay the levy and not adjust their behaviour.
Companies don’t run empty wagons for ■■■■■ and giggles. The magical world where every company running lorries has a backload conveniently located within reasonable distance of where they’re dropping simply doesn’t exist. Neither does a magical world where suppliers and delivery points have sufficient storage space and load handling capacity that they can just have wagons arriving willy nilly.
Adonis.:
Mazzer2:
Read this, this morning seems that the haulage industry is going to be used as the cash cow to make up for the shortfall in VED and fuel duty, according to the RAC if you charge HGV’S by the mile then there will be less of them, as it will cut down empty running yet the main culprits for empty running are the supermarkets and logistics companies who will just pay the levy and not adjust their behaviour.
How about a £25 levy for every empty seat in your car, that would do more to reduce congestion £75 for a quick nip to the shops would soon have people walking one of the biggest causes of congestion is short needless journeys.So a 7 seater for a family that has 6 kids takes them to school will get charged 150 quid to come home again? Then another 150 to go pick them up? Or takes 2 of them to football training on a Tuesday for a reasonable cost of 500 quid per round trip?
Little bit silly, eh.
Charging cars by the mile is a better idea, you have tossers doing 70k miles a year for £30 ‘road tax’ and someone like me paying £520 to do less than 4k. That would also cut down on unecessary journeys, which I totally agree are a massive cause of congestion.
A.
Often said this myself. Drop annual vehicle tax for everything and roll out a pay per mile system for all therefore the biggest users of the road pay more. It would also cut down needless journeys by car.
So instead of using a by-pass that is 10 miles, I’ll be better off going through a town centre that is 5 miles? Instead of using a motorway, I’ll be better off thundering down the A roads through the villages if it’s a shorter journey?
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So instead of using a by-pass that is 10 miles, I’ll be better off going through a town centre that is 5 miles? Instead of using a motorway, I’ll be better off thundering down the A roads through the villages if it’s a shorter journey?
No need for any of that nonsense, IF the system is set up well: It could cost more to make a trip in the rush hour, or be more expensive in a town rather than the bypass. Roads can be priced by much more than just a crude distance measure. To be sure there is some planning and thinking to be done, but there is scope for some good to come from a scheme like this.
Franglais:
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So instead of using a by-pass that is 10 miles, I’ll be better off going through a town centre that is 5 miles? Instead of using a motorway, I’ll be better off thundering down the A roads through the villages if it’s a shorter journey?No need for any of that nonsense, IF the system is set up well: It could cost more to make a trip in the rush hour, or be more expensive in a town rather than the bypass. Roads can be priced by much more than just a crude distance measure. To be sure there is some planning and thinking to be done, but there is scope for some good to come from a scheme like this.
And there’s scope for more interference in route choice for drivers. More monitoring from idiots sat behind a desk. Therefore if there’s a 60 minute jam ahead instead of diverting to avoid just drive straight into it, yes?
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Franglais:
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So instead of using a by-pass that is 10 miles, I’ll be better off going through a town centre that is 5 miles? Instead of using a motorway, I’ll be better off thundering down the A roads through the villages if it’s a shorter journey?No need for any of that nonsense, IF the system is set up well: It could cost more to make a trip in the rush hour, or be more expensive in a town rather than the bypass. Roads can be priced by much more than just a crude distance measure. To be sure there is some planning and thinking to be done, but there is scope for some good to come from a scheme like this.
And there’s scope for more interference in route choice for drivers. More monitoring from idiots sat behind a desk. Therefore if there’s a 60 minute jam ahead instead of diverting to avoid just drive straight into it, yes?
If you’re micro managed to that extent maybe, but personally if my job got micro managed by that extent I’d be off.
Belgium has a road pricing system that has different rates for different roads and I don’t know of anybody who has been told sit in a traffic jam because it’s cheaper.
Adonis.:
Mazzer2:
Read this, this morning seems that the haulage industry is going to be used as the cash cow to make up for the shortfall in VED and fuel duty, according to the RAC if you charge HGV’S by the mile then there will be less of them, as it will cut down empty running yet the main culprits for empty running are the supermarkets and logistics companies who will just pay the levy and not adjust their behaviour.
How about a £25 levy for every empty seat in your car, that would do more to reduce congestion £75 for a quick nip to the shops would soon have people walking one of the biggest causes of congestion is short needless journeys.So a 7 seater for a family that has 6 kids takes them to school will get charged 150 quid to come home again? Then another 150 to go pick them up? Or takes 2 of them to football training on a Tuesday for a reasonable cost of 500 quid per round trip?
Little bit silly, eh.
Charging cars by the mile is a better idea, you have tossers doing 70k miles a year for £30 ‘road tax’ and someone like me paying £520 to do less than 4k. That would also cut down on unecessary journeys, which I totally agree are a massive cause of congestion.
A.
My point being that it is nothing to do with reducing congestion but all about raising revenue, congestion could be reduced but it would cost politicians votes so they won’t do it. The public couldn’t care less how much HGV’s are charged to use the roads as until prices rise accordingly it won’t affect them.
Mazzer2:
I believe that emission control system in vehicles only work at the their best when the vehicle is up to its optimum operating temperature, so what about the pollution caused by cars doing short runs and never reaching or spending very little time at their operating temperature?
The emissions argument has lost all credibility CO2 emissions are now rising at a fast level since diesel vehicles have been painted as the devil incarnate and the hysteria has lead to rising petrol car sales. It would help if the scientists could agree amongst themselves and politicians could resist the urge to go with populist policies that do not address the root cause of the problem but just raise taxes
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The scientists knew the difference between CO2 and NO2 emissions between Diesel and petrol engines, it was politicians pushing diesel and telling the public they were the low emission alternative, even though they had the information.
Has anyone explained how the system would work? I can understand it for trucks on motorways and major trunk roads, simply have ANPR cameras at junctions, but it would be unfeasible to cover all roads and all vehicles, so the school run and other short runs would not be affected unless they eventually plan to put ‘black-boxes’ in every vehicle - hopefully not in my lifetime though…
Franglais:
The idea is to “level the playing field” between UK and foreign trucks: At the moment UK trucks pay VED and fuel tax. Foreign trucks don`t necessarily pay as much, coming in with big tanks full of cheap foreign fuel. Not a perfect solution, maybe, but surely a step in the right direction?
Only if they do reduce the fuel tax for trucks. Until it actually happens…