Adonis.:
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Right so someone living in the highlands should pay the same mileage tax as someone in London. Really fair.You’re thick, aren’t you?
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Great comeback.
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Adonis.:
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Right so someone living in the highlands should pay the same mileage tax as someone in London. Really fair.You’re thick, aren’t you?
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Great comeback.
You clearly are as you don’t understand how mileage based tax works. Or what I posted. Or the fact that posts on an internet forum aren’t new legislation.
You thick fud.
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Adonis.:
muckles:
Adonis.:
you have tossers doing 70k miles a year for £30 ‘road tax’ and someone like me paying £520 to do less than 4k.Wouldn’t have thought there would be many car drivers doing 70k a year, especially private mileage, I think the average is about 8000 miles pa.
I know at least 3 who claim to do more than 70k, driving their own cars for work. No reason to doubt them. Several more doing around 40k.
I know someone who bought a brand new SUV in August and it already has 25k miles on the clock. A friend’s missus got a brand new Clio a couple of years ago, 15k in a year.
Mileage based ‘tax’ is the fairest system.
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Right so someone living in the highlands should pay the same mileage tax as someone in London. Really fair.
Not if the roads have different rates per mile depending on type and location?
Which is what I or somebody said in a previous reply to you posts.
Also a Scottish Highland road might be more expensive to maintain, per vehicle using it, than a main road in London.
Franglais:
Carryfast:
muckles:
The scientists knew the difference between CO2 and NO2 emissions between Diesel and petrol engines, it was politicians pushing diesel and telling the public they were the low emission alternative, even though they had the information.Surely no one could be naive enough to think that it’s more often a case of penny pinching diesel buyers going by their own blind mpg is everything buying criterea.It’s also the particulate issue even with all the EGR and DPF bollox.The end result being diesel buyers spending a pound in the form of all the added complication and maintenance costs and up front purchase price of stinking diesels and diesel fuel,when they aren’t removing DPF’s and putting in even more stinking paraffin in the things,to save themselves a penny in the form of a few bob saved in fuel costs over 10,000 miles pa.In addition to giving zb’s like Kahn more ammunition to hit all of us.When realistically there’s no reason why any vehicle needs to be diesel fuelled including trucks when all the figures and relative merits of using petrol or LPG v diesel are added up.To which the answer of the manufacturers like GM and Ford is you can only have a 1.4/1.5 petrol take it or leave it if you want anything better then you have to have a bleedin diesel.
As for road pricing anyone would be even more naive to believe that it’s not just a way of ripping off the industry and forcing more trucks off the road even more than the present rip off of road fuel duty and VED.Let alone drivers acting like turkeys voting for Christmas in supporting it when it’s their jobs that will be on the line.While it obviously seems to confirm how they’ll get back the missing road fuel duty in the case of a move to EV’s.While in the medium term you can bet that the thieving anti road transport government will make the best use of maintaining road fuel duty and VED also combined with road pricing on top.All helped along by the gullible public’s unquestioning belief in the bs Global Warming theory and that the control freak,anti car and truck,pro rail,big business backed government is doing it all for our good.
Like it or lump it, that
s the free market at work! People choose with an eye on the money. Govs "fix" those choices through taxes of course. Force trucks off the road? To be replaced by what exactly? Yep. EVs currently have free use of the roads, that are paid for by others. An overall increase in taxes? Wouldnt be a surprise, after all as these taxes would be paid by ALL hauliers the price of transport would rise, and be passed onto the end consumer. So itd be a disproportionate burden on those whose income is all spent on goods, not on those whose income goes on services and savings, ie the poorer members of society pay most. About what youd expect from fiscally right of center Gov?
Firstly anti road,pro rail transcends so called left and so called right.Maybe for slightly different reasons.Ideological issues in the case of the former and perceived big business rail logistics interests in the case of the latter.
As for these increased costs being passed on.It’s obvious that the government’s own motives are to either remove more trucks from the road.In the knowledge that yet more costs piled onto the industry will be more likely to mean yet more haulage operators closing up than customers being willing to pay more to move stuff and/or it’s about the issue of projected and perceived increased use of difficult to tax electricity to fuel vehicles.Either way no good will come of this for the industry it can only mean yet more punitive taxation to remove more vehicles ( and with them jobs ) from the road.Which then leads to the ongoing cycle of less fuel used = less tax revenues = higher taxes to get the revenues back.With road transport as usual seen as mugs to be victimised.As I said drivers backing this is just a case of turkeys voting for Christmas which seems to be a common theme.
You can then add the mugs buying dirty diesel vehicles to save themselves a few pennies in fuel costs giving the government more of an excuse to rip off everyone.In addition to manufacturers not giving brighter petrol buyers much choice.
muckles:
Not if the roads have different rates per mile depending on type and location?
Which is what I or somebody said in a previous reply to you posts.
Also a Scottish Highland road might be more expensive to maintain, per vehicle using it, than a main road in London.
Don’t use such big words, it’ll struggle and hurt itself.
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Franglais:
ConcreteJim has suggested GPS boxes. Could be an Austria style box and gantries? Charge could vary according to road and time of day etc etc. The technology exists.
The alternative could be a simple pay per mile system, such that there`d be problems as $$$ pointed out: save money by taking short cuts on unsuitable roads to save cash.
All we need is an educated politician to put it all together!No [zb] chance then!
Black box technology already exists. Insurance companies insist on them being fitted to cars before new passes are insured. It’s not that much of a leap to take mileage data for tax billing reasons.
Black box technology already exists. Insurance companies insist on them being fitted to cars before new passes are insured. It’s not that much of a leap to take mileage data for tax billing reasons.
No they don’t, some insurers offer them with a discount, most insure without them.
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Adonis.:
Black box technology already exists. Insurance companies insist on them being fitted to cars before new passes are insured. It’s not that much of a leap to take mileage data for tax billing reasons.
No they don’t, some insurers offer them with a discount, most insure without them.
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You bloody pedant! 
You knew what my point was. 
Caffeine:
While I’m not saying that the government should introduce mileage charging for lorries, if they do decide to do that the simplest way would be to increase fuel duty - no new system, no extra technology.
Difficulties would be dealing with trucks entering the UK with cheaper fuel, is it possible to measure the fuel on an inbound lorry and make them pay the relevant duty ? (how do you deal with hidden fuel ?) May be after brexit we could ban international haulage and only allow trailers on ferries/chunnel? (I do remember trailers coming off boats for us to pull, amazing condition some of them were in )
But apart from that I think it is the simplest answer with the best consequences - add a 20p per litre per year duty to all road going fuel.
Cost of fuel would focus attentions and unnecessary/pointless car journeys would soon be a thing of the past, congestion would soon diminish, and expensive road expansion/improvements scrapped saving the taxpayer billions.
The haulage industry would just charge more to cover the cost of fuel and the only adverse affect could be from a slight increase in inflation, but it would be a nicer job with quiter roads.
Cycling would become more popular saving the NHS billions as the nation becomes healthier.
Pollution massively decreased improving our health and another saving to the NHS + it would also help with climate change but the UK doing the ‘right’ thing would only have a small global affect.
The change to electric would be in great demand, and as they say ‘necessity is the mother of invention’ and as such the UK would soon become world leaders in the technology of the future - giving a more secure future for the UK
Its a win win solution,
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according to the RAC if you charge HGV’S by the mile then there will be less of them, as it will cut down empty running yet the main culprits for empty running are the supermarkets and logistics companies who will just pay the levy and not adjust their behaviour.Companies don’t run empty wagons for [zb] and giggles. The magical world where every company running lorries has a backload conveniently located within reasonable distance of where they’re dropping simply doesn’t exist. Neither does a magical world where suppliers and delivery points have sufficient storage space and load handling capacity that they can just have wagons arriving willy nilly.
Could not agree more with what Conor posted regarding storage space etc , I was employed by a logistics■■? company who was contracted to brewer , during my 17 years+ with this company the brewer build new state of the art packaging facilities at various breweries around the country costing millions of £s . Not one of the new plants had an inch of storage for the finished products and relied on having trailers ready standing to load finished goods . It was common practice for vehicles to be sent empty from my depot to collect loads at just over 200 miles from my depot , it was very common practice while almost at the brewery to be called on the cab phone and told because of a breakdown at the plant there would’nt be a load and to return 200mls back to the depot , a round trip of 400mls for nothing , I am told this is common practice in this particular industry .
Adonis.:
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Adonis.:
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Right so someone living in the highlands should pay the same mileage tax as someone in London. Really fair.You’re thick, aren’t you?
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Great comeback.
You clearly are as you don’t understand how mileage based tax works. Or what I posted. Or the fact that posts on an internet forum aren’t new legislation.
You thick fud.
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Let me guess, you’re an all gob tipper driver.
I’m struggling to think how all this might affect a driver ?
Dork Lard:
I’m struggling to think how all this might affect a driver ?
I think it’s just Chris Grayling bright idea. The bloke is complete and utter buffoon. The technology that would be required at truck and monitoring level would be immense. Assuming pricing was charged on a road by road basis that’d all need sorting out. Then because you’re relying on gps there’s the issue of signal drop out in built up areas. Cost wise and bureaucracy wise it’ll be pricey. Obviously that won’t be an issue, in fact it’s the primary reason it will happen, because the Tories love giving private contracts like that to their old school chums.
As to the affects on the driver that will vary on a company by company basis. The routes selected by the driver would more than ever come under the spotlight. Obviously the most economic route will be required. However a pleb behind a desk won’t take into account traffic jams or cluttered junctions that make certain routes unsuitable, they’ll just get their spreadsheets out and post out snotty letters with bits highlighted with fluorescent pens.
If all road tax was spent on roads surely this would`nt need to be implemented.
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Dork Lard:
I’m struggling to think how all this might affect a driver ?As to the affects on the driver that will vary on a company by company basis. The routes selected by the driver would more than ever come under the spotlight. Obviously the most economic route will be required. However a pleb behind a desk won’t take into account traffic jams or cluttered junctions that make certain routes unsuitable, they’ll just get their spreadsheets out and post out snotty letters with bits highlighted with fluorescent pens.
I can’t think of any driver not already taking the economic route. Why wouldn’t they?
How will replacing the current VED with a charge per mile affect the driver? Do we add it to our worries over the price of diesel, the mileage in tyres?
Dork Lard:
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Dork Lard:
I’m struggling to think how all this might affect a driver ?As to the affects on the driver that will vary on a company by company basis. The routes selected by the driver would more than ever come under the spotlight. Obviously the most economic route will be required. However a pleb behind a desk won’t take into account traffic jams or cluttered junctions that make certain routes unsuitable, they’ll just get their spreadsheets out and post out snotty letters with bits highlighted with fluorescent pens.
I can’t think of any driver not already taking the economic route. Why wouldn’t they?
How will replacing the current VED with a charge per mile affect the driver? Do we add it to our worries over the price of diesel, the mileage in tyres?
I never take the most economical route.
I take the fastest route so that I can get home quicker. To see my family and relax.
Because I only work because I have to. If the truck was my own, dependant on profits etc, I might change my mind.
Dork Lard:
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Dork Lard:
I’m struggling to think how all this might affect a driver ?As to the affects on the driver that will vary on a company by company basis. The routes selected by the driver would more than ever come under the spotlight. Obviously the most economic route will be required. However a pleb behind a desk won’t take into account traffic jams or cluttered junctions that make certain routes unsuitable, they’ll just get their spreadsheets out and post out snotty letters with bits highlighted with fluorescent pens.
I can’t think of any driver not already taking the economic route. Why wouldn’t they?
How will replacing the current VED with a charge per mile affect the driver? Do we add it to our worries over the price of diesel, the mileage in tyres?
Leicester to Bristol. M69, M6, M42, M5. In perfect circumstances the best route. Simple. Now let’s assume it’s 1545 as you’re about to hit the M6. That then possibly makes going down the A46 the best route as you can clear Coventry before rush hour really kicks in and avoid Birmingham at the peak.
In a different scenario Live Services flags up a 60 minute delay on the M42. Again that makes going down the A46 the sensible option.
Now what if road pricing makes the motorway route cheaper than using the A46. Do you drive into rush hour traffic? Do you drive into a 60 minute jam? Or do you take the sensible option? Is the sensible option still the sensible option? At the end of the month will the office bods take circumstances into account before they get their highlighting pens out on their spread sheets and send you a printout of your uneconomic route selection?
Franglais:
The idea is to “level the playing field” between UK and foreign trucks: At the moment UK trucks pay VED and fuel tax. Foreign trucks don`t necessarily pay as much, coming in with big tanks full of cheap foreign fuel. Not a perfect solution, maybe, but surely a step in the right direction?
S@K when go from EUrope as well fillup full tank there.
Andrejs:
Franglais:
The idea is to “level the playing field” between UK and foreign trucks: At the moment UK trucks pay VED and fuel tax. Foreign trucks don`t necessarily pay as much, coming in with big tanks full of cheap foreign fuel. Not a perfect solution, maybe, but surely a step in the right direction?S@K when go from EUrope as well fillup full tank there.
All British companies come back with full tanks
North East to East Mids. M6, A14. Simple. Or do you take the A50? And once off the A50 do you go through Leicester, go right down to the A14, or avoid both and turn off at Kegworth and go through Melton?
If thispricing scheme comes in, will the A6006 (you go through villages) be an expensive route? Will that route then be gone as an option?
I can see this whole scheme being a pain in the arse with trucks being forced to use motorways and drivers having other options (the ability to judge a route based on circumstances) taken away from them.