I’m seeing how far he can be pushed. He went away for a few months recently and the forum was great. Well, better. At least every third post didn’t get derailed by his nonsense. He’s even been in the ex pats forum recently telling the chaps in north america how they are doing it wrong.
switchlogic:
Carryfast:
taffytrucker:
One thing i did see a lot of in holland was say a 32tonne prime mover with a 45ft trailer behind it. Thats an idea which is practicle and works wellSo a small country that has busy road conditions and a road system and operating conditions which aren’t much different to Britain doesn’t make some hysterical bs issue about an 8 wheeler rigid pulling a 45 ft drawbar trailer
.Maybe that’s because they’re clever enough to know that even that,let alone a 6 wheeler rigid,is a better option than artic outfits with 50 foot + semi trailers.
Oh so it’s an 8 wheeler rigid your into now? You do realise that most 8 wheelers have the turning circle of a supertanker don’t you?
As for the hysterical bs your the king of that. Your the most hysterical person on this forum.
Oh and let me guess, you’ve been to holland ‘plenty of times’
Edit: ferries actually have amazing turning circles I realised after posting it!
Wrong again.The last time I went to Holland was years ago when I was about 11 and I don’t remember any eight wheelers pulling 45 ft drawbar trailers then.It wasn’t actually me who said anything about 32 tonners pulling 45 foot trailers anyway that was taffytrucker.I obviously jumped to the conclusion from that,that he’d seen an 8 wheeler pulling a 45 foot trailer because that’s what it would needed to have been for that weight 
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My argument has all been about 6 wheelers pulling 45 foot trailers not 8 wheelers so it’s obvious that either taffytrucker doesn’t know the difference or he thought that he’d seen an 8 wheeler prime mover when in fact he’d seen a 6 wheeler.So maybe he needs to go to spec savers. 
But 8 wheelers pulling at least 40 foot semi trailers with a dolly.No problem.The fairgrounds have been doing it for years with less problems than this 50 + foot trailer artic outfit will probably have in large scale use.
robinhood_1984:
Happydaze:
There’s a whole lot of room around that outfit, plus they’re only allowed on certain roads.Thats what I was thinking. Thats the only truck on a bay there with all the room in the world. How would this cope in a busy RDC in England where there is barely enough room to back a 45ft trailer on to a bay, let alone back in or manouver that. I’m sure it could have a place in transport in the UK but not in every day general haulage operations.
So you reckon that a 50 + foot trailer artic outfit would be any better in a so called ‘busy’ RDC in England then.Although it’s not surprising that anyone involved with the North American ideas of artic outfits with 53 foot trailers and 36 t weight limits wouldn’t be able to understand the advantages of a 60 t gross 6 wheeler rigid pulling a 45 ft drawbar trailer outfit with a lot more load deck space instead.
Wrong again eh? Talking about your own post there I see.
Carryfast:
robinhood_1984:
Happydaze:
There’s a whole lot of room around that outfit, plus they’re only allowed on certain roads.Thats what I was thinking. Thats the only truck on a bay there with all the room in the world. How would this cope in a busy RDC in England where there is barely enough room to back a 45ft trailer on to a bay, let alone back in or manouver that. I’m sure it could have a place in transport in the UK but not in every day general haulage operations.
So you reckon that a 50 + foot trailer artic outfit would be any better in a so called ‘busy’ RDC in England then.Although it’s not surprising that anyone involved with the North American ideas of artic outfits with 53 foot trailers and 36 t weight limits wouldn’t be able to understand the advantages of a 60 t gross 6 wheeler rigid pulling a 45 ft drawbar trailer with a lot more load deck space instead.
Well to be fair it has been well over a decade since you were in an RDC, that is if you ever were.
switchlogic:
I’m seeing how far he can be pushed. He went away for a few months recently and the forum was great. Well, better. At least every third post didn’t get derailed by his nonsense. He’s even been in the ex pats forum recently telling the chaps in north america how they are doing it wrong.
How is it that I’m ‘derailing’ the ‘thread’ when it’s you who’s doing all the trolling having admitted that you couldn’t care less and have no interest in the subject at all and being that you’ve just admitted that you’re just on a wind up.
Carryfast:
switchlogic:
I’m seeing how far he can be pushed. He went away for a few months recently and the forum was great. Well, better. At least every third post didn’t get derailed by his nonsense. He’s even been in the ex pats forum recently telling the chaps in north america how they are doing it wrong.How is it that I’m ‘derailing’ the ‘thread’ when it’s you who’s doing all the trolling having admitted that you couldn’t care less and have no interest in the subject at all and being that you’ve just admitted that you’re just on a wind up.
You derail every post you contribute to with your idiotic know all posts. Your a typical know all that knows very little. You’ve contributed next to nothing to this forum in terms of useful information and you actively put people off posting. Lots of people have ended up on premod for less than what you’ve done. Esp if we bring in your distasteful views regarding race, underage girls and homosexuality. So come on why do you waste your life on this stuff?
You’re not wrong Luke mate, this particular thread could have been of real interest to any of the guy’s who might have been coming across these new length trailers but what happens ‘crazyhorse’ goes off on one with his mad ideas and the whole thread gets dismissed, but you shouldn’t encourage him however good it feels 
Regards
Dave Penn;
switchlogic:
Carryfast:
switchlogic:
I’m seeing how far he can be pushed. He went away for a few months recently and the forum was great. Well, better. At least every third post didn’t get derailed by his nonsense. He’s even been in the ex pats forum recently telling the chaps in north america how they are doing it wrong.How is it that I’m ‘derailing’ the ‘thread’ when it’s you who’s doing all the trolling having admitted that you couldn’t care less and have no interest in the subject at all and being that you’ve just admitted that you’re just on a wind up.
You derail every post you contribute to with your idiotic know all posts. Your a typical know all that knows very little. You’ve contributed next to nothing to this forum in terms of useful information and you actively put people off posting. Lots of people have ended up on premod for less than what you’ve done. Esp if we bring in your distasteful views regarding race, underage girls and homosexuality. So come on why do you waste your life on this stuff?
I can understand why you’d find any views related to anything distasteful.Useful information yeah right.I’d consider it that I’ve done the industry and a lot of unlucky drivers a favour if what I’ve written here makes just one prospective operator of such a trailer think about it first before jumping in and going for it.
As for the rest I’ve said nothing about anything that was or could have been taken as illegal.What I did say was that the laws which we had here in earlier years,which at that time supported my views,as to what I find distasteful,just as you seem to think that my views are now,were better and I can understand why you might find that distasteful.Tough.That’s what living in a free country is all about. 
Carryfast:
So you reckon that a 50 + foot trailer artic outfit would be any better in a so called ‘busy’ RDC in England then.Although it’s not surprising that anyone involved with the North American ideas of artic outfits with 53 foot trailers and 36 t weight limits wouldn’t be able to understand the advantages of a 60 t gross 6 wheeler rigid pulling a 45 ft drawbar trailer outfit with a lot more load deck space instead.
Jumping to conclusions again shag. Just because I dont think a rigid pulling a 45ft drawbar will work in every day operations in the UK it doesn’t mean that I think American 53ft trailers would work either. In most cases we dont even need that length here, 95% of the time I’m not even loaded to anywhere close to the back doors so the old 48 footers would be more suitable as the load is then distributed evenly on the trailer and theres no, or less need to slide the trailer axles to achieve the correct axle weight.
If you’d read some of my other posts, I spend a lot of time taking the urine out of the way things are done in North America. I do not wish to see 53 foot trailers in the UK. I’d wish to see something that can work within the confines of the infastructure of what we have and while limited numbers of logner vehicles could be accomodated in certain places, it would definetely not work if tens of thousands of these long trailers or even worse, your drawbar contraption was rolled out. Its almost impossible to park in a service area or back onto a loading dock in an RDC due to design flaws or yard over crowding and thats with a unit pulling a 45ft trailer, or less.
Give your head a shake and think again!
Has it ended or is it just a tea-break
Regards
Dave Penn;
davepenn54:
You’re not wrong Luke mate, this particular thread could have been of real interest to any of the guy’s who might have been coming across these new length trailers but what happens ‘crazyhorse’ goes off on one with his mad ideas and the whole thread gets dismissed, but you shouldn’t encourage him however good it feelsRegards
Dave Penn;
So you think that the issue of looking into the relative merits and advantages,of the possible drawbar alternatives,to the drawbacks of using a 50 + foot trailer artic outfit,isn’t relevant to this thread.BS.
Carryfast:
davepenn54:
You’re not wrong Luke mate, this particular thread could have been of real interest to any of the guy’s who might have been coming across these new length trailers but what happens ‘crazyhorse’ goes off on one with his mad ideas and the whole thread gets dismissed, but you shouldn’t encourage him however good it feelsRegards
Dave Penn;So you think that the issue of looking into the relative merits and advantages,of the possible drawbar alternatives,to the drawbacks of using a 50 + foot trailer artic outfit,isn’t relevant to this thread.BS.
They are, you’re not.
robinhood_1984:
Carryfast:
So you reckon that a 50 + foot trailer artic outfit would be any better in a so called ‘busy’ RDC in England then.Although it’s not surprising that anyone involved with the North American ideas of artic outfits with 53 foot trailers and 36 t weight limits wouldn’t be able to understand the advantages of a 60 t gross 6 wheeler rigid pulling a 45 ft drawbar trailer outfit with a lot more load deck space instead.Jumping to conclusions again shag. Just because I dont think a rigid pulling a 45ft drawbar will work in every day operations in the UK it doesn’t mean that I think American 53ft trailers would work either. In most cases we dont even need that length here, 95% of the time I’m not even loaded to anywhere close to the back doors so the old 48 footers would be more suitable as the load is then distributed evenly on the trailer and theres no, or less need to slide the trailer axles to achieve the correct axle weight.
If you’d read some of my other posts, I spend a lot of time taking the urine out of the way things are done in North America. I do not wish to see 53 foot trailers in the UK. I’d wish to see something that can work within the confines of the infastructure of what we have and while limited numbers of logner vehicles could be accomodated in certain places, it would definetely not work if tens of thousands of these long trailers or even worse, your drawbar contraption was rolled out. Its almost impossible to park in a service area or back onto a loading dock in an RDC due to design flaws or yard over crowding and thats with a unit pulling a 45ft trailer, or less.
Give your head a shake and think again!
In this case they’ve actually replaced a standard length close coupled trailer drawbar outfit with a 50+ foot trailer artic.
Now I suppose you’re going to say that isn’t a retrograde step . The fact is that drawbar outfits provide a better manouvrability-load space/weight capacity equation than artics can.
Think it’s you and the ones who’ve come up with that idea who need to give their heads a shake and think again.
Carryfast:
billybigrig:
Captain Council:
I think you’ve missed the point that the type of 25 metre outfit that I’m talking about would’nt have many,if any,cut in nor any tail sweep issues,compared to an existing length artic outfitYou do of course realise that the 25s pull “an existing length” artic trailer and the dolly merely acts as the tractor unit it’s replacing would ?. Therefore the trailer will cut and swing in exacly the same way itself. The prime mover merely acting as the dollies “driver” in guiding it on the path a unit would take
The combination is designed so as not to increase the cut in over a standard artic. In much the same way as the longer trailerNone of this however answers the questions of infrastructure limitations
Total bollox again.Steering any trailer,including a 45 ft trailer,using a dolly or a drawbar,is nothing like steering a semi trailer using a fifth wheel coupling.Which is why B trains cut in more than A trains and,as Zetorpilot said,he still can’t believe it after years of driving the things.But what the zb would he know.
I see you’ve edited this since I read it on my phone this morning
Anyhoo allow me to explain why you’re still unsurprisingly wrong again. 
You said …
I think you’ve missed the point that the type of 25 metre outfit that I’m talking about would’nt have many,if any,cut in nor any tail sweep issues,compared to an existing length artic outfit
However in this picture…
Zetor is pulling a standard trailer, all be it a 40 footer. As you can see, and I tried to explain, it is behaving in exactly the same way as a standard artic unit and standard trailer would do. The dolly and trailer are following the line any driver would and thus there would be no reduction in cut in nor tail swing. The trailer will always move around the 2 standard points i.e. the pin and the bogie. It is no more than the equivalent of an arctic tailgating a rigid. The rigid is just acting, as a I pointed out, as the driver of the rear bit
Carryfast:
In this case they’ve actually replaced a standard length close coupled trailer drawbar outfit with a 50+ foot trailer artic.
Who has?
Happydaze:
Carryfast:
davepenn54:
You’re not wrong Luke mate, this particular thread could have been of real interest to any of the guy’s who might have been coming across these new length trailers but what happens ‘crazyhorse’ goes off on one with his mad ideas and the whole thread gets dismissed, but you shouldn’t encourage him however good it feelsRegards
Dave Penn;So you think that the issue of looking into the relative merits and advantages,of the possible drawbar alternatives,to the drawbacks of using a 50 + foot trailer artic outfit,isn’t relevant to this thread.BS.
They are, you’re not.
It’s only me who’s raised the relevant questions and it’s not me who’s doing all the whining and trolling.
Carryfast:
Happydaze:
Carryfast:
davepenn54:
You’re not wrong Luke mate, this particular thread could have been of real interest to any of the guy’s who might have been coming across these new length trailers but what happens ‘crazyhorse’ goes off on one with his mad ideas and the whole thread gets dismissed, but you shouldn’t encourage him however good it feelsRegards
Dave Penn;So you think that the issue of looking into the relative merits and advantages,of the possible drawbar alternatives,to the drawbacks of using a 50 + foot trailer artic outfit,isn’t relevant to this thread.BS.
They are, you’re not.
It’s only me who’s raised the relevant questions and it’s not me who’s doing all the whining and trolling.
Carryfast:
I can understand why you’d find any views related to anything distasteful.Useful information yeah right.I’d consider it that I’ve done the industry and a lot of unlucky drivers a favour if what I’ve written here makes just one prospective operator of such a trailer think about it first before jumping in and going for it.
Oh. My. God! Your actually properly deluded! You honestly think someone responsible for buying trailers comes on here for an opinion, sees your posts and changes his mind?! Christ you are nuts aren’t you. ‘Done they industry a lot’! You couldn’t make it up.
As for your views i just pointed out your a distasteful old bigot who’s views would disgust most civilised members of society.
billybigrig:
Carryfast:
billybigrig:
Captain Council:
I think you’ve missed the point that the type of 25 metre outfit that I’m talking about would’nt have many,if any,cut in nor any tail sweep issues,compared to an existing length artic outfitYou do of course realise that the 25s pull “an existing length” artic trailer and the dolly merely acts as the tractor unit it’s replacing would ?. Therefore the trailer will cut and swing in exacly the same way itself. The prime mover merely acting as the dollies “driver” in guiding it on the path a unit would take
The combination is designed so as not to increase the cut in over a standard artic. In much the same way as the longer trailerNone of this however answers the questions of infrastructure limitations
Total bollox again.Steering any trailer,including a 45 ft trailer,using a dolly or a drawbar,is nothing like steering a semi trailer using a fifth wheel coupling.Which is why B trains cut in more than A trains and,as Zetorpilot said,he still can’t believe it after years of driving the things.But what the zb would he know.
I see you’ve edited this since I read it on my phone this morning
Anyhoo allow me to explain why you’re still unsurprisingly wrong again.
You said …
I think you’ve missed the point that the type of 25 metre outfit that I’m talking about would’nt have many,if any,cut in nor any tail sweep issues,compared to an existing length artic outfit
However in this picture…
Zetor is pulling a standard trailer, all be it a 40 footer. As you can see, and I tried to explain, it is behaving in exactly the same way as a standard artic unit and standard trailer would do. The dolly and trailer are following the line any driver would and thus there would be no reduction in cut in nor tail swing. The trailer will always move around the 2 standard points i.e. the pin and the bogie. It is no more than the equivalent of an arctic tailgating a rigid. The rigid is just acting, as a I pointed out, as the driver of the rear bit
As he said it would have taken around the same line even if it had been a 45 foot trailer.The different geometry and delays of all the different turning and pivot points of a draw bar outfit have absolutely no connection whatsoever with the way in which an artic outfit turns.The fact is he managed to take that whole almost 80 foot outfit through that turn using a tighter line than if it had been an artic outfit pulling just a 45 foot trailer.In just the same way that a standard length draw bar outfit can be taken through a turn using less room than you’d need for an artic even though it’s longer overall and it provides more load space.You’re trying to re invent the wheel.