Carryfast:
and maybe you’d change your mind about overhangs being easier to deal with than cut in if you had any ‘recent experience’ of using this extended semi trailer on a regular basis.
What like you you mean?
Carryfast:
Whereas I know enough about the resulting different aspects,of the relationship,between truck/trailer overall lengths and axle positions,and experience of driving both artics and drawbars,to know that a 25 m drawbar outfit
You actually only know what the internet has told you, who his of often wrong
Carryfast:
the ‘steering rear axle’ has been put on the back, (assuming that it isn’t the type of trick STGO steering set up that Rikki seemed to be describing ) (unlikely considering it’s design criterea and the fact that such a set up would be more about dealing with the issues of cut in,on a long trailer not made to standard euro cut in requirements,than the inherent drawbacks of this design ) ,has more to do with it being there to provide some weight carrying capacity on the extended length of the trailer while at the same time being able to follow the tail sweep which is an inherent result of putting the extra length on the ends/overhangs rather than in the middle.
Not driven a rear steer have you?
Still not answered my comment about your ridiculous assertion that a 25 metre outfit would be ok I the services with a bit of careful parking. Sorry if I don’t take you seriously with posts like that
I don’t think you understood my comment that a 25 m drawbar outfit would be able to go most,if not all,the places where this outfit would be able to go and be easier to drive in the process.But you haven’t driven a 25 m outfit have you and unfortunately like most others you don’t seem to have the ability to undertsand how a truck will behave on the road without even needing to drive it.Which is the difference between those who can actually make the things and those who can just drive them.
Carryfast:
and maybe you’d change your mind about overhangs being easier to deal with than cut in if you had any ‘recent experience’ of using this extended semi trailer on a regular basis.
What like you you mean?
Carryfast:
Whereas I know enough about the resulting different aspects,of the relationship,between truck/trailer overall lengths and axle positions,and experience of driving both artics and drawbars,to know that a 25 m drawbar outfit
You actually only know what the internet has told you, who his of often wrong
Carryfast:
the ‘steering rear axle’ has been put on the back, (assuming that it isn’t the type of trick STGO steering set up that Rikki seemed to be describing ) (unlikely considering it’s design criterea and the fact that such a set up would be more about dealing with the issues of cut in,on a long trailer not made to standard euro cut in requirements,than the inherent drawbacks of this design ) ,has more to do with it being there to provide some weight carrying capacity on the extended length of the trailer while at the same time being able to follow the tail sweep which is an inherent result of putting the extra length on the ends/overhangs rather than in the middle.
Not driven a rear steer have you?
Still not answered my comment about your ridiculous assertion that a 25 metre outfit would be ok I the services with a bit of careful parking. Sorry if I don’t take you seriously with posts like that
I don’t think you understood my comment that a 25 m drawbar outfit would be able to go most,if not all,the places where this outfit would be able to go and be easier to drive in the process.But you haven’t driven a 25 m outfit have you and unfortunately like most others you don’t seem to have the ability to undertsand how a truck will behave on the road without even needing to drive it.Which is the difference between those who can actually make the things and those who can just drive them.
Custard proof that you’ve built a 25m drawbar rig (or anything else that you can’t fit on a kitchen table).
Carryfast:
and maybe you’d change your mind about overhangs being easier to deal with than cut in if you had any ‘recent experience’ of using this extended semi trailer on a regular basis.
What like you you mean?
Carryfast:
Whereas I know enough about the resulting different aspects,of the relationship,between truck/trailer overall lengths and axle positions,and experience of driving both artics and drawbars,to know that a 25 m drawbar outfit
You actually only know what the internet has told you, who his of often wrong
Carryfast:
the ‘steering rear axle’ has been put on the back, (assuming that it isn’t the type of trick STGO steering set up that Rikki seemed to be describing ) (unlikely considering it’s design criterea and the fact that such a set up would be more about dealing with the issues of cut in,on a long trailer not made to standard euro cut in requirements,than the inherent drawbacks of this design ) ,has more to do with it being there to provide some weight carrying capacity on the extended length of the trailer while at the same time being able to follow the tail sweep which is an inherent result of putting the extra length on the ends/overhangs rather than in the middle.
Not driven a rear steer have you?
Still not answered my comment about your ridiculous assertion that a 25 metre outfit would be ok I the services with a bit of careful parking. Sorry if I don’t take you seriously with posts like that
I don’t think you understood my comment that a 25 m drawbar outfit would be able to go most,if not all,the places where this outfit would be able to go and be easier to drive in the process.But you haven’t driven a 25 m outfit have you and unfortunately like most others you don’t seem to have the ability to undertsand how a truck will behave on the road without even needing to drive it.Which is the difference between those who can actually make the things and those who can just drive them.
Custard proof that you’ve built a 25m drawbar rig (or anything else that you can’t fit on a kitchen table).
Drums fingers and pulls scornful teacher face
Simple proof that I don’t actually ‘need’ to build a 25 m dtrawbar outfit to understand the adavantages and disadvantages would be that if anyone was to ask Switchlogic and the extended artic supporters how to build a truck to match it they’d just put another 15-20 feet on the back of this idea and then put the ‘steering axle’ a bit further back.
kr79:
He will build one when he has got enough Lego and prove us wrong.
Too late the Scandinavians got there first with a real one and found the idea is so good they built a lot more and are still using them.Although they probably can’t wait to try the new idea of just adding as much length as you like on the back of a semi trailer with a rear steer axle to follow the tail sweep.
Carryfast:
and maybe you’d change your mind about overhangs being easier to deal with than cut in if you had any ‘recent experience’ of using this extended semi trailer on a regular basis.
What like you you mean?
Carryfast:
Whereas I know enough about the resulting different aspects,of the relationship,between truck/trailer overall lengths and axle positions,and experience of driving both artics and drawbars,to know that a 25 m drawbar outfit
You actually only know what the internet has told you, who his of often wrong
Carryfast:
the ‘steering rear axle’ has been put on the back, (assuming that it isn’t the type of trick STGO steering set up that Rikki seemed to be describing ) (unlikely considering it’s design criterea and the fact that such a set up would be more about dealing with the issues of cut in,on a long trailer not made to standard euro cut in requirements,than the inherent drawbacks of this design ) ,has more to do with it being there to provide some weight carrying capacity on the extended length of the trailer while at the same time being able to follow the tail sweep which is an inherent result of putting the extra length on the ends/overhangs rather than in the middle.
Not driven a rear steer have you?
Still not answered my comment about your ridiculous assertion that a 25 metre outfit would be ok I the services with a bit of careful parking. Sorry if I don’t take you seriously with posts like that
I don’t think you understood my comment that a 25 m drawbar outfit would be able to go most,if not all,the places where this outfit would be able to go and be easier to drive in the process.But you haven’t driven a 25 m outfit have you and unfortunately like most others you don’t seem to have the ability to undertsand how a truck will behave on the road without even needing to drive it.Which is the difference between those who can actually make the things and those who can just drive them.
Custard proof that you’ve built a 25m drawbar rig (or anything else that you can’t fit on a kitchen table).
Drums fingers and pulls scornful teacher face
Simple proof that I don’t actually ‘need’ to build a 25 m dtrawbar outfit to understand the adavantages and disadvantages would be that if anyone was to ask Switchlogic and the extended artic supporters how to build a truck to match it they’d just put another 15-20 feet on the back of this idea and then put the ‘steering axle’ a bit further back.
So can you “make the things”? (1:43 scale doesn’t count)
Do you understand the need for practice after theory?
Do you understand the importance of proving to ultimately provide proof of the merits or otherwise of a concept?
kr79:
I think you are been a bit harsh of Geoffrey the circus and funfairs run his kind of motors with no trouble and often with a caravan in the back too.
I saw one coming off the motorway the other day, was a 6 wheeler Scania rigid, towing a dolly with a tri axle artic trailer on it, then a little generator trailer like they use for traffic lights on the back. Not sure how legal it was, but must have taken skill to drive!
Come on Carryfast you simply don’t have any idea about how the modern industry works do you. You haven’t driven a truck in 13 years and the simple fact is the world has changed a lot in that time. I also love how you seemed to imply that you build 25 metre outfits. Is that what you do for a living now. Still as clueless as ever. Your also a very lazy poster, too much cut and paste I reckon. Nowhere have I said I support the longer trailers, nor have I said I don’t support 25m outfits. I just enjoy pulling you up on your idiotic comments.
kr79:
He will build one when he has got enough Lego and prove us wrong.
Too late the Scandinavians got there first with a real one and found the idea is so good they built a lot more and are still using them.Although they probably can’t wait to try the new idea of just adding as much length as you like on the back of a semi trailer with a rear steer axle to follow the tail sweep.
And guess what Carryfast some of us have actually been to Scandinavia and seen these things in action, and therefore seen how their roads, services and industry are geared up for them in ways we aren’t. They also have a fraction of our population in a bigger country. Still making really daft pointless comparasons then based on your wealth of real world knowledge I see.
Is anyone else starting to doubt people are who they say after the Ady1 episode. I’m beginning to think Carryfast is just on a wind up, surely no on in real life is quite that daft.
kr79:
He will build one when he has got enough Lego and prove us wrong.
Too late the Scandinavians got there first with a real one and found the idea is so good they built a lot more and are still using them.Although they probably can’t wait to try the new idea of just adding as much length as you like on the back of a semi trailer with a rear steer axle to follow the tail sweep.
And guess what Carryfast some of us have actually been to Scandinavia and seen these things in action, and therefore seen how their roads, services and industry are geared up for them in ways we aren’t. They also have a fraction of our population in a bigger country. Still making really daft pointless comparasons then based on your wealth of real world knowledge I see.
It’s just a drawbar outfit with a decent length trailer nothing more nothing less and if the choice is between that or an artic with a 50 + foot semi trailer then it doesn’t take a genius to know that it’s the drawbar outfit which will be easier to drive regardless of wether the artic trailer has a large amount of that length on it’s overhangs (so more sweep) or in the middle (so more cut in).Let alone as in this case when just the standard euro length drawbar outfit can do the same job.
I’ve been to Scandinavia too plenty of times and there’s no reason to think that they don’t have to use their drawbar outfits in exactly the same type of general conditions as in which artics are used here at loading and unloading points and going through urban areas.
All I can see here is daft pointless arguments all being put up by those who should know better as the differences and issues are (should be) just common basic knowledge that any driver would (should) know.
However the idea that someone thinks that a 6 wheeler rigid pulling a 45 ft drawbar trailer would need more skill to drive it than this contraption says it all.
In Scandinavia the drawbar makes sense due to to weather conditions a nice dead weight over the usually single drive axle helps.
As others have said due to most of mainland europes infrastructure been built round artics changing just seems to much hassle.
switchlogic:
Is anyone else starting to doubt people are who they say after the Ady1 episode. I’m beginning to think Carryfast is just on a wind up, surely no on in real life is quite that daft.
It’s obvious who’s on a wind up in any argument in which someone is trying to make the case that an artic outfit made up of a 50 foot semi trailer would be easier to drive than a 6 wheeler rigid pulling an existing standard length 45 foot semi trailer converted to a drawbar trailer.Let alone the idea that it’s better than a standard length one.
switchlogic:
Is anyone else starting to doubt people are who they say after the Ady1 episode. I’m beginning to think Carryfast is just on a wind up, surely no on in real life is quite that daft.
kr79:
In Scandinavia the drawbar makes sense due to to weather conditions a nice dead weight over the usually single drive axle helps.
As others have said due to most of mainland europes infrastructure been built round artics changing just seems to much hassle.
It’s not a case of changing anything when it’s just a case of putting a converter dolly under a semi trailer and pulling the thing with a rigid instead of a tractor unit.
It’s got nothing to do with weather conditions it’s all to do with the fact that there comes a point in size when an artic becomes a liability compared to a drawbar outfit.Simples.You only need to compare the manouvrability,load deck space and weight capacity of a Scandinavian drawbar outfit,compared to a typical North American artic outfit,to understand that.
In this case it’s even worse in the fact that they’re using a 50 + ft semi trailer to do the same job as a standard length euro drawbar outfit can do anyway.
switchlogic:
Is anyone else starting to doubt people are who they say after the Ady1 episode. I’m beginning to think Carryfast is just on a wind up, surely no on in real life is quite that daft.
+1
Somehow I bet there won’t be so many ‘supporters’ of the concept if/when these things get into large scale use.
switchlogic:
Is anyone else starting to doubt people are who they say after the Ady1 episode. I’m beginning to think Carryfast is just on a wind up, surely no on in real life is quite that daft.
It’s obvious who’s on a wind up in any argument in which someone is trying to make the case that an artic outfit made up of a 50 foot semi trailer would be easier to drive than a 6 wheeler rigid pulling an existing standard length 45 foot semi trailer converted to a drawbar trailer.Let alone the idea that it’s better than a standard length one.
And so the lazy posting I mentioned earlier returns. So wound up in your little world you can’t read properly. If you did you’ll see as I pointed out earlier I’m not making the case for anything, I’m just picking holes in your stupid ideas. Its like shooting fish in a barrel with you. I also love that we can mention any country and you’ll come back with ‘ive been there enough times’ or ‘ive been there plenty of times to…’.
You also completly missed what I was saying about Scandinavia, but then you never read anything properly so that’s no surprise. Did you enjoy your holiday touring Scandinavian industrial estates by the way?
switchlogic:
Is anyone else starting to doubt people are who they say after the Ady1 episode. I’m beginning to think Carryfast is just on a wind up, surely no on in real life is quite that daft.
It’s obvious who’s on a wind up in any argument in which someone is trying to make the case that an artic outfit made up of a 50 foot semi trailer would be easier to drive than a 6 wheeler rigid pulling an existing standard length 45 foot semi trailer converted to a drawbar trailer.Let alone the idea that it’s better than a standard length one.
And so the lazy posting I mentioned earlier returns. So wound up in your little world you can’t read properly. If you did you’ll see as I pointed out earlier I’m not making the case for anything, I’m just picking holes in your stupid ideas. Its like shooting fish in a barrel with you. I also love that we can mention any country and you’ll come back with ‘ive been there enough times’ or ‘ive been there plenty of times to…’.
You also completly missed what I was saying about Scandinavia, but then you never read anything properly so that’s no surprise. Did you enjoy your holiday touring Scandinavian industrial estates by the way?
How the zb can you possibly pick any ‘holes’ in ‘my’ ideas related to ‘this’ issue and ‘this’ topic without being ‘for’ the concept of this extended trailer idea,in which they’ve just taken the simplistic way out of the cut in issue by putting all the extra length on each end instead which just means more sweep instead of cut in.In which you then came up with some typical bs that sweep is easier to deal with than cut in is.
Yes I have been to Scandinavia more than once just as I’ve said and as far as I could tell I didn’t see anything different about the conditions around Gothenburg,where there were a lot more 6 wheeler rigids with 40-45 ft drawbar trailers running around and through the place than artics,than any similar type of urban/industrial/port area that you’d find here such as Southampton for example,and that was just one example of seeing how the things behave in real world conditions.
So where’s the so called mythical difference in conditions which makes Britain only suitable for artics with 50 + foot trailers than drawbar outfits with more load space and weight capacity which would actually be more manouvrable in the real world anyway .
taffytrucker:
One thing i did see a lot of in holland was say a 32tonne prime mover with a 45ft trailer behind it. Thats an idea which is practicle and works well
So a small country that has busy road conditions and a road system and operating conditions which aren’t much different to Britain doesn’t make some hysterical bs issue about an 8 wheeler rigid pulling a 45 ft drawbar trailer .Maybe that’s because they’re clever enough to know that even that,let alone a 6 wheeler rigid,is a better option than artic outfits with 50 foot + semi trailers.
