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Rikki-UK:
Carryfast. i have for a long time ignored your posts, ,as, they are “entertaining” and inspire debate

But I have to ask if you have reread what you have written - because while I am not the foremost transport expert in the world even I can see it is ■■■■■■■■

any trailer with command steer is far more manouverable that any other combination ( note command steer not passive) and on simple utalisation of the unit being able to change between normal trailers. urban trailers and the new long ones with a standard unit makes your major asset ( the unit) far more effective and cost effiecent with almost any other combination you are restricted.

Simple and realistic fact of life is, a rear command steer trailer at the new lengths will actaully take less of a track round a corner than a conventional triaxle - bit harder to reverse but thats where you earn your wages or pride at what you do

I have taken 30 metre bridge beams around mini roundabouts that I struggled not to nudge with a conventional triaxle 13.6

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Blimey Rikki I was only going by the description given in the OP’s post at the start.‘‘Rear’’ ‘‘Steer’’ ‘‘Axle’’ not ‘‘AXLES’’ :question: :confused: which I’ve taken to mean exactly the same idea as used on countless other old Italian designs of trailers and rigids for years of a free self (passive :question: ) steering rear axle which is just there to provide support for the weight on the extra overhang of going for the low cut in measurements idea while allowing for the rear wheels to turn to take account of the tail sweep.

I certainly didn’t see any reference made to what would be some very trick STGO equipment on an ordinary haulage trailer.In which case how can the extra cost be justified over the existing drawbar set up. :confused: :confused: :confused:

But I stand corrected ‘if’ I’m wrong on that. :open_mouth: :open_mouth: :blush: :blush:

Rikki-UK:
Command steer works of a wedge in the V of the fifth wheel and powers hydraulics to steer the trailer in the intended direction that the unit is travelling, Passive steer relies on the drag of the trailer to turn to rear steer axles- the first is far more responsive and predictable , the latter can have a mind of its own- a bump in the road can throw a passive system out of track

Pros - a passive system is a large weight saving over command steer
Cons- it is not controlable to the extent a command system is

I’m trying to work out exactly what it is that you’re describing as fitted to this extended trailer idea :question: .Are you saying that Axles 1,2 and 3 all steer to make the trailer follow a different line to that which it would follow if axles 1 and 2 were fixed.There’s no way that just axle 3 on it’s own steering would make any difference to the actual line which the trailer would follow :question: .

But I stand corrected ‘if’ I’m wrong on that

Your corrected then :wink: as some of the trial trailers will be command steered but most will be passive- it is up to the operator to choose which type he will trial

and its not trick STGO - a similar technology that Norbert and others used to use on their close coupled draw bar combinations that as they turned extended the draw bar to stop the prime mover and trailer hitting each other

Rikki-UK:

But I stand corrected ‘if’ I’m wrong on that

Your corrected then :wink: as some of the trial trailers will be command steered but most will be passive- it is up to the operator to choose which type he will trial

and its not trick STGO - a similar technology that Norbert and others used to use on their close coupled draw bar combinations that as they turned extended the draw bar to stop the prime mover and trailer hitting each other

I’ve had the extending drawbar idea on one A frame trailer (couldn’t see the point when all the others just had the usual set up of a longer fixed drawbar,carried the same demount boxes,were within length regs and turned fine).

But surely the idea of an ordinary haulage semi trailer,which has full independent steering :question: ,to make it follow a totally different line,than it would otherwise take,in regards to cut in and sweep,would need all 3 axles to steer not just the rear axle and would be a totally different (very expensive) set up to just a self steering or even positive steering rear ‘axle’ which just follows the tail sweep.Therefore it would have no connection whatsoever to a semi trailer fitted with just a rear steer axle which is the description provided related to this trailer,let alone an extending drawbar.

However even if it did have such a set up that would surely be a way of dealing with mainly the extra cut in of an STGO type trailer not the tail sweep of a longer trailer that’s designed with standard pin-axle measurements which therefore wouldn’t have any different cut in issues to a standard length trailer anyway.

However,as I’ve said, assuming that axles 1 and 2 are fixed then there’s no way that just having axle 3 steered would make any difference to the actual line which the trailer takes and in which case it’s just there to allow the set back third axle to follow the tail sweep without eventually tearing it’s tyres to shreds in just the same way that the Itallians have used the same old idea for years but not,so far,on anything with a sweep like this thing would have. :question:. :confused: :confused: :confused:

So not standing corrected just yet until I’ve seen some more answers. :wink:

It all reminds me of the great LPG powered trucks debate so far. :open_mouth: :smiling_imp:

billybigrig:

what he said :laughing:

limeyphil:
from from a business point of view, bloody ridiculous, it’s a short term earner. the haulier will get a few quid more per load, then when everyone gets them, the customer will want the job doing at the old rate. the same happened when we went from 38 ton to 40 ton to 44 ton. and from 40’ to 45’.

quite agree limeyphil (did i really just say that?! :laughing: )

saw this outfit at the multimodal show at the NEC on 1st of May, thought it looked really smart and pretty novel :stuck_out_tongue:

Drove one of these in the 90`s for a few years, each body was 26ft giving a load space of 52ft overall, could get it into places you couldnt get an artic, but you could also get an artic where you couldnt get this, used to go to seven sisters rd in london regular away with it, backload timber out of tilbury with it, H939 AKL, tried to find some pics of it but this is the best I can find from the internet of a similar truck, although I believe it used to sub for Westermax.

Just read this post, one thing stuck out for me. It was Carryfast saying that 25m outfits will be fine in services with a bit of careful parking, and then comparing them to how abnormal loads don’t have a problem in services! Clearly showing his lack of recent experience there then. Have you still got your licence Carry old chap? Maybe you should go out have use it for a bit.

Personally I find overhangs easier to deal with than cut ins. And a rear steer trailer is a dream in my opinion.

switchlogic:
Just read this post, one thing stuck out for me. It was Carryfast saying that 25m outfits will be fine in services with a bit of careful parking, and then comparing them to how abnormal loads don’t have a problem in services! Clearly showing his lack of recent experience there then. Have you still got your licence Carry old chap? Maybe you should go out have use it for a bit.

Personally I find overhangs easier to deal with than cut ins. And a rear steer trailer is a dream in my opinion.

I think you’ve missed the point that the type of 25 metre outfit that I’m talking about would’nt have many,if any,cut in nor any tail sweep issues,compared to an existing length artic outfit and maybe you’d change your mind about overhangs being easier to deal with than cut in if you had any ‘recent experience’ of using this extended semi trailer on a regular basis.

Whereas I know enough about the resulting different aspects,of the relationship,between truck/trailer overall lengths and axle positions,and experience of driving both artics and drawbars,to know that a 25 m drawbar outfit,made up of a 6 wheeler rigid and a 45 foot semi trailer,coupled using a dolly,would be able to go anywhere that this thing would go in most,if not all,cases and be a easier to drive doing it.

However I think the reason why the ‘steering rear axle’ has been put on the back, (assuming that it isn’t the type of trick STGO steering set up that Rikki seemed to be describing :question: :question: :question: ) (unlikely considering it’s design criterea and the fact that such a set up would be more about dealing with the issues of cut in,on a long trailer not made to standard euro cut in requirements,than the inherent drawbacks of this design :question: :question: ) ,has more to do with it being there to provide some weight carrying capacity on the extended length of the trailer while at the same time being able to follow the tail sweep which is an inherent result of putting the extra length on the ends/overhangs rather than in the middle. :bulb:

Carryfast:

switchlogic:
Just read this post, one thing stuck out for me. It was Carryfast saying that 25m outfits will be fine in services with a bit of careful parking, and then comparing them to how abnormal loads don’t have a problem in services! Clearly showing his lack of recent experience there then. Have you still got your licence Carry old chap? Maybe you should go out have use it for a bit.

Personally I find overhangs easier to deal with than cut ins. And a rear steer trailer is a dream in my opinion.

I think you’ve missed the point that the type of 25 metre outfit that I’m talking about would’nt have many,if any,cut in nor any tail sweep issues,compared to an existing length artic outfit and maybe you’d change your mind about overhangs being easier to deal with than cut in if you had any ‘recent experience’ of using this extended semi trailer on a regular basis.

Whereas I know enough about the resulting different aspects,of the relationship,between truck/trailer overall lengths and axle positions,and experience of driving both artics and drawbars,to know that a 25 m drawbar outfit,made up of a 6 wheeler rigid and a 45 foot semi trailer,coupled using a dolly,would be able to go anywhere that this thing would go in most,if not all,cases and be a easier to drive doing it.

However I think the reason why the ‘steering rear axle’ has been put on the back, (assuming that it isn’t the type of trick STGO steering set up that Rikki seemed to be describing :question: :question: :question: ) (unlikely considering it’s design criterea and the fact that such a set up would be more about dealing with the issues of cut in,on a long trailer not made to standard euro cut in requirements,than the inherent drawbacks of this design :question: :question: ) ,has more to do with it being there to provide some weight carrying capacity on the extended length of the trailer while at the same time being able to follow the tail sweep which is an inherent result of putting the extra length on the ends/overhangs rather than in the middle. :bulb:

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Glans ■■■■■

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The male anatomy showing the location of the glans ■■■■■

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The glans ■■■■■ (or simply glans) is the sensitive bulbous structure at the distal end of the ■■■■■. The glans ■■■■■ is anatomically homologous to the clitoral glans of the female. It is sometimes fully or partially covered by the ■■■■■■■■, except in men who have been fully circumcised.

The glans is also commonly referred to as the “head of the ■■■■■”, while common British slang terms include “helmet,” “knob end” and “bell end”, all referring to its distinctive shape. The medical name comes from Latin glans “acorn” + ■■■■■ “of the ■■■■■” — the Latin genitive of this word has the same form as the nominative.

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2 Anatomical details
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[edit] Medical considerations

The meatus (opening) of the urethra is at the tip of the glans ■■■■■. In circumcised infants, the ■■■■■■■■ no longer protects the meatal area of the glans; consequently, when wearing nappies, there may be greater risk of developing meatitis, meatal ulceration, and meatal stenosis.[1]

The epithelium of the glans ■■■■■ is mucocutaneous tissue.[2] Birley et al. report that excessive washing with soap may dry the mucous membrane that covers the glans ■■■■■ and cause non-specific dermatitis.[3]

Inflammation of the glans ■■■■■ is known as balanitis. It occurs in 3—11% of males, and up to 35% of diabetic males. It is more common among uncircumcised males.[4] It has many causes, including irritation, or infection with a wide variety of pathogens. Careful identification of the cause with the aid of patient history, physical examination, swabs and cultures, and biopsy are essential in order to determine the proper treatment.[4]

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The glans ■■■■■ is the expanded cap of the corpus spongiosum. It is moulded on the rounded ends of the Corpora cavernosa ■■■■■, extending farther on their upper than on their lower surfaces. At the summit of the glans is the slit-like vertical external urethral orifice. The circumference of the base of the glans forms a rounded projecting border, the corona glandis, overhanging a deep retroglandular sulcus (the coronal sulcus), behind which is the neck of the ■■■■■. The proportional size of the glans ■■■■■ can vary greatly. On some penises it is much wider in circumference than the shaft, giving the ■■■■■ a mushroom-like appearance, and on others it is narrower and more akin to a probe in shape. It has been suggested that the unique and unusual shape of the glans in humans has evolved to serve the function of “scooping” any remnant ■■■■■ deposited by other rival males out of the deeper part of the ■■■■■■ of a female who may have recently copulated, and thereby decreasing the chance of the rival male from impregnating the female.[5] Other theorists[who?] suggest that its distinctive shape evolved to heighten the ■■■■■■ pleasure experienced by the female during vaginal ■■■■■■■■■■■. In this theory, the glans increases friction and tension at the mouth of the ■■■■■■ by its additional girth and the dilating properties of its probe-like shape.

The ■■■■■■■■ maintains the mucosa in a moist environment.[6] In males who have been circumcised, the glans is permanently exposed and dry. Szabo and Short found that the glans of the circumcised ■■■■■ does not develop a thicker keratinization layer.[7] Several studies have suggested that the glans is equally sensitive in circumcised and uncircumcised males,[8][9][10][11] while others have reported that it is more sensitive in uncircumcised males[12][13] (the interpretation of one of these studies is disputed[14]).

Halata & Munger (1986) report that the density of genital corpuscles is greatest in the corona glandis,[15] while Yang & Bradley (1998) report that their study “showed no areas in the glans to be more densely innervated than others.”[13]

Halata & Spathe (1997) reported that “the glans ■■■■■ contains a predominance of free nerve endings, numerous genital end bulbs and rarely Pacinian and Ruffinian corpuscles. Merkel nerve endings and Meissner’s corpuscles are not present.”[2]

Yang & Bradley argue that “The distinct pattern of innervation of the glans emphasizes the role of the glans as a sensory structure”.[13]

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Corpus cavernosum ■■■■■
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Frenulum of prepuce of ■■■■■
Hirsuties papillaris genitalis

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Glans ■■■■■

[edit] References

1.^ Freud, Paul (August 1947). “The ulcerated urethral meatus in male children”. The Journal of Pediatrics 31 (2): 131—41. doi:10.1016/S0022-3476(47)80098-8. PMID 20256409. Retrieved 2006-07-07.
2.^ a b Halata, Zdenek; A. Spaethe (1997). “Sensory innervation of the human ■■■■■”. Advances in experimental medicine and biology. Advances in Experimental Medicine and Biology 424: 265—6. doi:10.1007/978-1-4615-5913-9_48. ISBN 978-0-306-45696-1. PMID 9361804. Retrieved 2006-07-07.
3.^ Birley, H. D.; M .M. Walker, G. A. Luzzi, R. Bell, D. Taylor-Robinson, M. Byrne, A. M. Renton & Tomas Nelson (October 1993). “Clinical features and management of recurrent balanitis; association with atopy and genital washing”. Genitourinary Medicine 69 (5): 400—3. PMC 1195128. PMID 8244363.
4.^ a b Edwards, Sarah (June 1996). “Balanitis and balanoposthitis: a review”. Genitourinary Medicine 72 (3): 155—9. PMC 1195642. PMID 8707315.
5.^ Gallup, Gordon; Rebecca L. Burch, Mary L. Zappieri, Rizwan A. Parvez, Malinda L. Stockwell, Jennifer A. Davis (July 2003). “The human ■■■■■ as a ■■■■■ displacement device”. Evolution and Human Behavior 24 (4): 277—289. doi:10.1016/S1090-5138(03)00016-3.
6.^ Prakash, Satya; Raghuram Rao, K. Venkatesan & S. Ramakrishnan (July 1982). “Sub-Preputial Wetness–Its Nature”. Annals of National Medical Science (India) 18 (3): 109—112.
7.^ Szabo, Robert; Roger V. Short (June 2000). “How does male circumcision protect against HIV infection?”. British Medical Journal 320 (7249): 1592—4. doi:10.1136/bmj.320.7249.1592. PMC 1127372. PMID 10845974. Retrieved 2006-07-07.
8.^ Masters, William H.; Virginia E. Johnson (1966). Human ■■■■■■ Response. Boston: Little, Brown & Co. pp. 189—91. ISBN 0-316-54987-8. (excerpt accessible here)
9.^ Bleustein, Clifford B.; James D. Fogarty, Haftan Eckholdt, Joseph C. Arezzo and Arnold Melman (April 2005). “Effect of neonatal circumcision on penile neurologic sensation”. Urology 65 (4): 773—7. doi:10.1016/j.urology.2004.11.007. PMID 15833526.
10.^ Bleustein, Clifford B.; Haftan Eckholdt, Joseph C. Arezzo and Arnold Melman (April 26-May 1, 2003). “Effects of Circumcision on Male Penile Sensitivity”. American Urological Association 98th Annual Meeting. Chicago, Illinois.
11.^ Payne, Kimberley; Thaler, Lea; Kukkonen, Tuuli; Carrier, Serge; and Binik, Yitzchak (May 2007). “Sensation and ■■■■■■ Arousal in Circumcised and Uncircumcised Men”. Journal of ■■■■■■ medicine 4 (3): 667—674. doi:10.1111/j.1743-6109.2007.00471.x. PMID 17419812.
12.^ Sorrells (April 2007). “Fine-touch pressure thresholds in the adult ■■■■■”. British Journal of Urology International 99 (4): 864—869.
13.^ a b c Yang, DM; Lin H, Zhang B, Guo W (April 2008). “Circumcision affects glans ■■■■■ vibration perception threshold”. Zhonghua Nan Ke Xue 14 (4): 328—330. PMID 18481425.
14.^ Waskett, Jake H.; Brian J. Morris (May 2007). “Fine touch pressure thresholds in the adult ■■■■■”. BJU International 99 (6): 1551—1552. doi:10.1111/j.1464-410X.2007.06970_6.x. PMID 17537227.
15.^ Halata, Zdenek; Bryce L. Munger (April 1986). “The neuroanatomical basis for the protopathic sensibility of the human glans ■■■■■”. Brain Research 371 (2): 205—30. doi:10.1016/0006-8993(86)90357-4. PMID 3697758.

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SUNY Labs 42:07-0102 - “The Male Perineum and the ■■■■■: The Corpus Spongiosum and Corpora Cavernosa”
SUNY Labs 44:06-0101 - “The Male Pelvis: The Urethra”

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Carryfast:
and maybe you’d change your mind about overhangs being easier to deal with than cut in if you had any ‘recent experience’ of using this extended semi trailer on a regular basis.

What like you you mean?

Carryfast:
Whereas I know enough about the resulting different aspects,of the relationship,between truck/trailer overall lengths and axle positions,and experience of driving both artics and drawbars,to know that a 25 m drawbar outfit

You actually only know what the internet has told you, who his of often wrong

Carryfast:
the ‘steering rear axle’ has been put on the back, (assuming that it isn’t the type of trick STGO steering set up that Rikki seemed to be describing :question: :question: :question: ) (unlikely considering it’s design criterea and the fact that such a set up would be more about dealing with the issues of cut in,on a long trailer not made to standard euro cut in requirements,than the inherent drawbacks of this design :question: :question: ) ,has more to do with it being there to provide some weight carrying capacity on the extended length of the trailer while at the same time being able to follow the tail sweep which is an inherent result of putting the extra length on the ends/overhangs rather than in the middle. :bulb:

Not driven a rear steer have you?

Still not answered my comment about your ridiculous assertion that a 25 metre outfit would be ok I the services with a bit of careful parking. Sorry if I don’t take you seriously with posts like that

Captain Council:
I think you’ve missed the point that the type of 25 metre outfit that I’m talking about would’nt have many,if any,cut in nor any tail sweep issues,compared to an existing length artic outfit

You do of course realise that the 25s pull “an existing length” artic trailer and the dolly merely acts as the tractor unit it’s replacing would ?. Therefore the trailer will cut and swing in exacly the same way itself. The prime mover merely acting as the dollies “driver” in guiding it on the path a unit would take :wink:
The combination is designed so as not to increase the cut in over a standard artic. In much the same way as the longer trailer :laughing:

None of this however answers the questions of infrastructure limitations :unamused:

Does carryfast comprehend its a TRIAL, when he becomes Transport minister perhaps we could TRIAL some of his ideas or ask an Austrailian they have combos with about 30ft space on front trailer then a second semi trailer full length, 26metres in all I think or speek to Mr Dent up in Lincolnshire he has some ideas on that sort of thing. :unamused: :unamused:

I think you are been a bit harsh of Geoffrey the circus and funfairs run his kind of motors with no trouble and often with a caravan in the back too.

Carryfast:

robinhood_1984:

Carryfast:
youtube.com/watch?v=Kg0paOOH … =endscreen 4.00-5.40
Listen to the narrator at 0.20,think he describes it perectly :smiley:

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Carryfast:

robinhood_1984:

Carryfast:
youtube.com/watch?v=Kg0paOOH … =endscreen 4.00-5.40
Listen to the narrator at 0.20,think he describes it perectly :smiley:

:laughing: :laughing: :laughing:

I’d like to see someone get that into sanofi in Fawdon Newcastle. Ive seen regular artics take upto 2 hours to get in there.

jimmi:
I’d like to see someone get that into sanofi in Fawdon Newcastle. Ive seen regular artics take upto 2 hours to get in there.

So what? Any idiot can sit in a queue.

billybigrig:

Captain Council:
I think you’ve missed the point that the type of 25 metre outfit that I’m talking about would’nt have many,if any,cut in nor any tail sweep issues,compared to an existing length artic outfit

You do of course realise that the 25s pull “an existing length” artic trailer and the dolly merely acts as the tractor unit it’s replacing would ?. Therefore the trailer will cut and swing in exacly the same way itself. The prime mover merely acting as the dollies “driver” in guiding it on the path a unit would take :wink:
The combination is designed so as not to increase the cut in over a standard artic. In much the same way as the longer trailer :laughing:

None of this however answers the questions of infrastructure limitations :unamused:

Total bollox again.Steering any trailer,including a 45 ft trailer,using a dolly or a drawbar,is nothing like steering a semi trailer using a fifth wheel coupling.Which is why B trains cut in more than A trains and,as Zetorpilot said,he still can’t believe it after years of driving the things.But what the zb would he know. :unamused: