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billybigrig:

Carryfast:
Before you start driving those ‘road trains’ you’d better start trying to understand the difference between them and B trains first in case some switched on guvnor out there,who knows the difference,asks you a few questions first before he gives you the job.But don’t,whatever you do,tell him that you’ve only got up to page 10 in that book so far. :bulb: :smiling_imp: :laughing:

Really :laughing: :laughing: :laughing: I’m pretty sure having successfully pulled A’s already I’ll cope. My resume, unlike some, is pretty decent and I’ve already got several offers based on it ,ta :grimacing: :grimacing:

Happydaze:
Jealous, much?

Nah d’ya think :laughing: :laughing: :laughing: :laughing:

As far as I know you’ve already said elsewhere that you know that an A train has less cut in than a B train.It’s just that you obviously don’t seem to know why.Which would sound a bit contradictory to that resume if anyone asks you.So look on the bright side I’ve know helped you get the job if you find a guvnor somewhere who looks at resumes as just bs. :smiling_imp: :laughing:

Carryfast:
Now how the zb can a tractor unit do any of that and how does any of that have any relationship whatsoever to what happens at the tractor unit’s drive axle when the steer axle turns it :question: .In which case as I’ve said the drawbar outfit does the trick of steering it’s trailer straight on while it’s prime mover is turning the corner and if you’d have tried to follow the same line as that drawbar ‘outfit’,with an artic ‘outfit’,pulling the same trailer you’d have steered the thing off the road.Simples.

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You’ve never driven an artic have you ■■?

Confused Fast:
For the purposes of this discussion it’s the fact that a 6 wheeler rigid can pull the same 45 foot trailer on a dolly with less cut in and the same tail sweep as pulling the thing with a tractor unit would.

What the unit would do would be to go straight on to then hook round dragging the trailer round the arc of the kerb just as the dolly does, following the same line as the dolly and trailer. Forget the prime mover, your confusing yourself again :laughing: :laughing: You wouldn’t follow the line of the prime mover, you would follow the line of the dolly and trailer because as I have repeatedly tried to tell you the dolly is just replacing a tractor unit. You’ve lost yourself in your own muddled argument dear boy.

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Carryfast:
As far as I know you’ve already said elsewhere that you know that an A train has less cut in than a B train.It’s just that you obviously don’t seem to know why.Which would sound a bit contradictory to that resume if anyone asks you.So look on the bright side I’ve know helped you get the job if you find a guvnor somewhere who looks at resumes as just bs. :smiling_imp: :laughing:

Now that’s just insulting.

You very bitter little man. My resume is is backed up by genuine experience and references, not bull[zb] and daydreams like yours. I’ve actually done the things you’re trying to best me on with success and without a problem.

Out of curiosity, you kept saying your efforts at European were thwarted by only holding a class 2 so how much artic experience do you actually have ■■

So not only is he changing the transport industry with his posts he’s helping you get jobs. He’s so deluded you couldn’t make him up as a comedy character, he’d be too unbelievable l.

billybigrig:

Carryfast:
As far as I know you’ve already said elsewhere that you know that an A train has less cut in than a B train.It’s just that you obviously don’t seem to know why.Which would sound a bit contradictory to that resume if anyone asks you.So look on the bright side I’ve know helped you get the job if you find a guvnor somewhere who looks at resumes as just bs. :smiling_imp: :laughing:

Now that’s just insulting.

You very bitter little man. My resume is is backed up by genuine experience and references, not bull[zb] and daydreams like yours. I’ve actually done the things you’re trying to best me on with success and without a problem.

Out of curiosity, you kept saying your efforts at European were thwarted by only holding a class 2 so how much artic experience do you actually have ■■

Your kidding me! Has he never driven an artic?! It just gets better.

switchlogic:

billybigrig:

Carryfast:
As far as I know you’ve already said elsewhere that you know that an A train has less cut in than a B train.It’s just that you obviously don’t seem to know why.Which would sound a bit contradictory to that resume if anyone asks you.So look on the bright side I’ve know helped you get the job if you find a guvnor somewhere who looks at resumes as just bs. :smiling_imp: :laughing:

Now that’s just insulting.

You very bitter little man. My resume is is backed up by genuine experience and references, not bull[zb] and daydreams like yours. I’ve actually done the things you’re trying to best me on with success and without a problem.

Out of curiosity, you kept saying your efforts at European were thwarted by only holding a class 2 so how much artic experience do you actually have ■■

Your kidding me! Has he never driven an artic?! It just gets better.

Perhaps he got his class 1 in between his multiple visits to Holland, Scandanavia, America and Canada :laughing: :laughing: :laughing:

Carryfast:

switchlogic:

Carryfast:

taffytrucker:
One thing i did see a lot of in holland was say a 32tonne prime mover with a 45ft trailer behind it. Thats an idea which is practicle and works well

So a small country that has busy road conditions and a road system and operating conditions which aren’t much different to Britain doesn’t make some hysterical bs issue about an 8 wheeler rigid pulling a 45 ft drawbar trailer :question: .Maybe that’s because they’re clever enough to know that even that,let alone a 6 wheeler rigid,is a better option than artic outfits with 50 foot + semi trailers.

Oh so it’s an 8 wheeler rigid your into now? You do realise that most 8 wheelers have the turning circle of a supertanker don’t you?

As for the hysterical bs your the king of that. Your the most hysterical person on this forum.

Oh and let me guess, you’ve been to holland ‘plenty of times’

Edit: ferries actually have amazing turning circles I realised after posting it!

Wrong again.The last time I went to Holland was years ago when I was about 11 and I don’t remember any eight wheelers pulling 45 ft drawbar trailers then.It wasn’t actually me who said anything about 32 tonners pulling 45 foot trailers anyway that was taffytrucker.I obviously jumped to the conclusion from that,that he’d seen an 8 wheeler pulling a 45 foot trailer because that’s what it would needed to have been for that weight :bulb: :unamused: .

My argument has all been about 6 wheelers pulling 45 foot trailers not 8 wheelers so it’s obvious that either taffytrucker doesn’t know the difference or he thought that he’d seen an 8 wheeler prime mover when in fact he’d seen a 6 wheeler.So maybe he needs to go to spec savers. :open_mouth: :laughing:

But 8 wheelers pulling at least 40 foot semi trailers with a dolly.No problem.The fairgrounds have been doing it for years with less problems than this 50 + foot trailer artic outfit will probably have in large scale use.

So sorry carzyhosre was to busy watching the traffic on my side of the motorway to take in the full details I’ll be sure next time to concentrate on the carriageway next time to make sure i got everything 100% right for you. Also dont forget over in Holland axle weights are different over there as they regulay go upto 44tonne with a 4x2 unit. I used the weight as an example

billybigrig:

Carryfast:
Now how the zb can a tractor unit do any of that and how does any of that have any relationship whatsoever to what happens at the tractor unit’s drive axle when the steer axle turns it :question: .In which case as I’ve said the drawbar outfit does the trick of steering it’s trailer straight on while it’s prime mover is turning the corner and if you’d have tried to follow the same line as that drawbar ‘outfit’,with an artic ‘outfit’,pulling the same trailer you’d have steered the thing off the road.Simples.

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You’ve never driven an artic have you ■■?

Confused Fast:
For the purposes of this discussion it’s the fact that a 6 wheeler rigid can pull the same 45 foot trailer on a dolly with less cut in and the same tail sweep as pulling the thing with a tractor unit would.

What the unit would do would be to go straight on to then hook round dragging the trailer round the arc of the kerb just as the dolly does, following the same line as the dolly and trailer. Forget the prime mover, your confusing yourself again :laughing: :laughing: You wouldn’t follow the line of the prime mover, you would follow the line of the dolly and trailer because as I have repeatedly tried to tell you the dolly is just replacing a tractor unit. You’ve lost yourself in your own muddled argument dear boy.

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As I’ve repeatedly tried,without success,to tell you it’s an ‘artic outfit’ or a drawbar outfit’ and cut in is based on steer axle to trailer axles.

Exactly what the unit (of an artic outfit) would have to do is to be driven up to the junction on a wider line further from the kerb and then be driven straight on and then turn later than the drawbar prime mover had to.That’s because an artic ‘outfit’ has more cut in to turn the same trailer than a drawbar ‘outfit’ does for all of those reasons given to you.

The problem for the artic comes though when some idiot decides to add even more length to the trailer in an (unsuccessful) attempt to try to compete with the advantages in load capacity which a drawbar outfit can provide.In the real world it’s then possible to reach the situation of so much cut in that the thing will run out of room ahead in which to drive the unit straight on before that arc of the trailer axles can clear the kerb.Or,worse,someone will add the extra length to the ends instead in which case the sweep increases and although the cut in won’t have altered sooner or later there’s a more than aceptable risk,that some unlucky driver,who’s been lumbered with the thing,will wipe someone out coming the other way with the opposite rear corner on a nearside turn or someone going by on the inside with the opposite rear corner on an offside turn probably without even knowing it amongst other possible scenarios…

You sound to me like you’ve never driven an artic or a drawbar outfit.Whereas I’ve driven both over the course of around 15 years of a 20 year career often on an alternating basis of artics sometimes and drawbars others.

billybigrig:

Carryfast:
As far as I know you’ve already said elsewhere that you know that an A train has less cut in than a B train.It’s just that you obviously don’t seem to know why.Which would sound a bit contradictory to that resume if anyone asks you.So look on the bright side I’ve know helped you get the job if you find a guvnor somewhere who looks at resumes as just bs. :smiling_imp: :laughing:

Now that’s just insulting.

You very bitter little man. My resume is is backed up by genuine experience and references, not bull[zb] and daydreams like yours. I’ve actually done the things you’re trying to best me on with success and without a problem.

Out of curiosity, you kept saying your efforts at European were thwarted by only holding a class 2 so how much artic experience do you actually have ■■

Enough experience to know the difference between the advantages of drawbars v the disadvantages of artics (like around 15 years of mainly artic work with a few years of drawbars on an alternating basis with that).It seems to me that you’re quite good at dishing out the zb but you’re not so keen when someone gives some back. :smiling_imp: :unamused: :laughing:

Carryfast - Single handedly saving the transport industry since 1923

He doesn’t hold a class 1?!!

Aw leave it out :laughing: :laughing: :laughing: :laughing: :laughing: :laughing: :laughing:

switchlogic:
Carryfast - Single handedly saving the transport industry since 1923

Not really but given the choice between driving this thing or a 25 m drawbar outfit drawbar outfit,let alone a standard length one,it would be no contest.

It’s just IMHO.If anyone prefers the idea of hauling a 50 + foot semi trailer around on a regular basis with the extra length all put on the ends instead of the middle,that’s up to them.

Well I have been under the impression that Mr Crazybrain was a HGV Driver with an entitlement to drive articulated vehicles but that experience had been at one company only and that was as a night trunk driver approx; 15 yrs ? He is now retired after taking unfair redundancy. Previous experience was with his local council driving rigid vehicles and then tried general haulage for a couple of weeks but the company owner was doing it all wrong and wouldn’t change his business model so a parting of the ways apparently amicable. I’m sure in one thread he complained about being unable to get a start on continental work in the 80’s because he was too conscientious and employer’s were always giving the jobs to lads who they already knew but he knew he could do it better than them. This little bit of info is just from memory after being involved or following numerous threads that he has been involved in since he joined TNUK on 15/9/09, so my apologies if some of the fine detail is incorrect.

Whenever carryfast contributes to a thread it goes completely off track because of his knowall (done nowt) attitude :imp: and once again this thread has been taken down a totally unnecessary road because crazyhead feels he needs to educate the rest of us with his superior knowledge of all things transport. Even though his experience is limited and he hasn’t been on the road for 13yrs he still finds it impossible to give the guy’s who are out there doing it everyday any credit for their here & now real world relevant experience so in my humble opinion carryfast you appear to be suffering from a personality disorder, possibly narcissism with delusions of grandeur :open_mouth: If this hasn’t been pointed out to you before I would be very, very surprised, but maybe being able to hide behind a keyboard for so long has helped you keep your illness hidden. You need to seek medical help or you will become a very unhappy, twisted messed up adult, oh sorry you already come across like that.

Regards
Dave Penn;

Carryfast:

switchlogic:
Carryfast - Single handedly saving the transport industry since 1923

Not really but given the choice between driving this thing or a 25 m drawbar outfit drawbar outfit,let alone a standard length one,it would be no contest.

It’s just IMHO.If anyone prefers the idea of hauling a 50 + foot semi trailer around on a regular basis with the extra length all put on the ends instead of the middle,that’s up to them.

No it’s not, it’s up to UK and EU legislators.

You could have left it at that last paragraph seven pages ago.

Now go and play with your rigid.

Confused Fast:
For the purposes of this discussion it’s the fact that a 6 wheeler rigid can pull the same 45 foot trailer on a dolly with less cut in and the same tail sweep as pulling the thing with a tractor unit would.

As I’ve repeatedly tried,without success,to tell you it’s an ‘artic outfit’ or a drawbar outfit’ and cut in is based on steer axle to trailer axles.

Firstly see your own quote above :wink:

The dolly mimics what a unit would do “guided” or “steered” if you will by back of the prime mover :wink:

Exactly what the unit (of an artic outfit) would have to do is to be driven up to the junction on a wider line further from the kerb and then be driven straight on and then turn later than the drawbar prime mover had to.That’s because an artic ‘outfit’ has more cut in to turn the same trailer than a drawbar ‘outfit’ does for all of those reasons given to you.

Proving beyond a shadow of a doubt you clearly have a massive lack of knowledge and experience. :laughing: :laughing: :laughing: :laughing: :laughing:

The problem for the artic comes though when some idiot decides to add even more length to the trailer in an (unsuccessful) attempt to try to compete with the advantages in load capacity which a drawbar outfit can provide.In the real world it’s then possible to reach the situation of so much cut in that the thing will run out of room ahead in which to drive the unit straight on before that arc of the trailer axles can clear the kerb.Or,worse,someone will add the extra length to the ends instead in which case the sweep increases and although the cut in won’t have altered sooner or later there’s a more than aceptable risk,that some unlucky driver,who’s been lumbered with the thing,will wipe someone out coming the other way with the opposite rear corner on a nearside turn or someone going by on the inside with the opposite rear corner on an offside turn probably without even knowing it amongst other possible scenarios…

Nothing to do with what we are talking about so stop filling your “argument” with pointless bluster to try and fortify it :unamused: :laughing: :laughing: :laughing: :laughing:

You sound to me like you’ve never driven an artic or a drawbar outfit.Whereas I’ve driven both over the course of a 20 year career often on an alternating basis of artics sometimes and drawbars others.

I’ve got, and many members on here will confirm, 3 decades of driving around Europe,North Africa, a bit of Russia and commie bloc, the USA and Canada(including pulling doubles remember) and I aint done yet as I said. At the moment I am doing wide and long load work all over Europe. I have run large transport offices (got very bored very quickly). I owned, in fact built up from owner driver, a small European haulage company of 6 units 8 trailers and up to 8 subbies at any one time. Although 99% artic work I worked for a company in the mid 90’s that had a few “proper” wagon and drags which I drove occasionally including 2 trips to Ibiza which involved reversing on and off ferries with them. All proven fact. :wink:

Compared to a lot of the folks on here though I’m a comparative newbie. There’s folks on this site, many of whom you’ve tried to correct, that make me look like a wet behind the ears apprentice :laughing: :laughing: :laughing: :laughing: :laughing:
That said compared to you I’m a [zb]ing legend :laughing: :laughing: :laughing: :laughing: :laughing:

It seems to me that you’re quite good at dishing out the zb but you’re not so keen when someone gives some back.

I meant professionally insulting. The “bitter” remark merely an observation. Trust me you’re nothing but a pleasant pastime in my life, a novel distraction :laughing: :laughing: :laughing:

davepenn54:
Well I have been under the impression that Mr Crazybrain was a HGV Driver with an entitlement to drive articulated vehicles but that experience had been at one company only and that was as a night trunk driver approx; 15 yrs ? He is now retired after taking unfair redundancy. Previous experience was with his local council driving rigid vehicles and then tried general haulage for a couple of weeks but the company owner was doing it all wrong and wouldn’t change his business model so a parting of the ways apparently amicable. I’m sure in one thread he complained about being unable to get a start on continental work in the 80’s because he was too conscientious and employer’s were always giving the jobs to lads who they already knew but he knew he could do it better than them. This little bit of info is just from memory after being involved or following numerous threads that he has been involved in since he joined TNUK on 15/9/09, so my apologies if some of the fine detail is incorrect.

It’s a 'bit more than just ‘the fine detail’ which you’ve got wrong.It’s actually more like just a load of typical personalised bs so typical on here in the case of anyone who dares to disagree with the ones who’ve really got all the delusions of grandeur.

Happydaze:
Now go and play with your rigid.

Best post of the thread :laughing: :laughing: :laughing: :laughing: :laughing:

Carryfast:

davepenn54:
Well I have been under the impression that Mr Crazybrain was a HGV Driver with an entitlement to drive articulated vehicles but that experience had been at one company only and that was as a night trunk driver approx; 15 yrs ? He is now retired after taking unfair redundancy. Previous experience was with his local council driving rigid vehicles and then tried general haulage for a couple of weeks but the company owner was doing it all wrong and wouldn’t change his business model so a parting of the ways apparently amicable. I’m sure in one thread he complained about being unable to get a start on continental work in the 80’s because he was too conscientious and employer’s were always giving the jobs to lads who they already knew but he knew he could do it better than them. This little bit of info is just from memory after being involved or following numerous threads that he has been involved in since he joined TNUK on 15/9/09, so my apologies if some of the fine detail is incorrect.

It’s a 'bit more than just ‘the fine detail’ which you’ve got wrong.It’s actually more like just a load of typical personalised bs so typical on here in the case of anyone who dares to disagree with the ones who’ve really got all the delusions of grandeur.

Ok carryfast it was just a summary of things that have stuck in my head from your post’s over the years. I did apologise for not being able to relate the fine detail verbatim. But why say it is personalised bs if it is a true brief summary of how I recall your post’s, I felt it was quite restrained under the circumstances :unamused:

Regards
Dr.Dave Penn;

All I did was post a pic of a curtansider pleased I didn`t mention Detroit Diesels :unamused: :unamused: :unamused:

billybigrig:

Happydaze:
Now go and play with your rigid.

Best post of the thread :laughing: :laughing: :laughing: :laughing: :laughing:

I thought he was an ‘experianced class’ 1 driver not a bin man