Long Distance Van Work

jonnytruckfest:
If anyone from here wanted to challenge me on how crap my driving is I’d welcome them to sit in the passenger seat on a trip to the coast.

I personally said you sounded cocky, not that you were a crap driver. You’re probably not bad and you’ll hopefully have the right attitude to get better.

jonnytruckfest:
besides I’m good at driving so makes sense trying to get a job doing something I’m good at

jonnytruckfest:
so it would be nice to earn some money doing something I enjoy and am particularly good at

jonnytruckfest:
im confident in my ability to say I’m a good driver

It’s quotes like these that make you sound overconfident and cocky. Do your best whenever you’re driving and you’ll naturally get better. Don’t assume that because you’ve got a few hundred miles under your belt, you’re a good driver. It’s a mistake to think like that.

I think I’m a good driver but I only came fourth in last years Scania Young European Truck Driver UK Finals, so that means there’s people out there better than me!

Try getting a job at Eurocell, I started there at 18, 6 meter flatbed body, 4-8 drops a day. Fixed hours half 7 till 5 and every other Saturday. Good job.

A wee piece of advice I was given the day I passed my driving test by my examiner and its stuck with me ever since is…you never stop learning to drive, just because you have a licence doesn’t mean you know everything about driving. For once I actually listened and it has stood me in good stead for 27 years. Still had the odd scrape and knock here and there and I’m far from a perfect driver but I’m still learning :smiley: :smiley: All I’m saying is you might think you are a good driver and maybe you are but we are all always learning and anybody who says they know everything there is to know about driving is a fool. Everyday we go out on the road we all see something new. The very best of luck in getting a driving job, we’ve all been there and the 1st start is always the hardest.

the fub:
A wee piece of advice I was given the day I passed my driving test by my examiner and its stuck with me ever since is…you never stop learning to drive, just because you have a licence doesn’t mean you know everything about driving. For once I actually listened and it has stood me in good stead for 27 years. Still had the odd scrape and knock here and there and I’m far from a perfect driver but I’m still learning :smiley: :smiley: All I’m saying is you might think you are a good driver and maybe you are but we are all always learning and anybody who says they know everything there is to know about driving is a fool. Everyday we go out on the road we all see something new. The very best of luck in getting a driving job, we’ve all been there and the 1st start is always the hardest.

Completely agree mate, I’ve never said I know everything, I was told the day you stop learning is the day you need to hang up your keys!

Was able to drive a van for the first time today, had a right good ol’ time. Just wish I could find a job driving them :slight_smile:

Cheers

Jonny :sunglasses:

Here is some advice for you:
You have virtually no chance of getting a job driving due to your age and inexperience in driving. You want to become a truck driver so you have to use whatever you can to get an advantage over others who want the same. Your dad is a driver so why don’t you use this and see if his company will take you on with the Young Driver’s Scheme?

This comment “after all I’m trying to get that start without the help of my dad etc as id rather find that chance and earn it than it be handed to me on a plate”…forget that. Get a start then get another job in the future without any help. It is who you know in this world. I am sure any driver looking for a job would use any relative to help them get a job.
Or you can carry on posting on here asking for advice help etc and still have no chance of getting your dream job.

I honestly don’t know why they bothered lowering the legal age for driving a truck down to 18, because at that age it really will be a titantic struggle to find any decent work. Waste of time going in for your test at that age really.

I really want to encourage the OP, but I have to be honest I say that I reckon the best bet would be to wait until you are 21 before looking at driving jobs (you can get jobs at that age, plenty of evidence). Claiming to have a knowledge of the road network and experience driving a transit van won’t cut much ice with many gaffers at interview, anyone can blag that. Plus, most companies throwing the van keys to 18/19 year olds will probably be cowboys. Get yourself a warehouse job at a place that runs trucks, work hard, get a good repuation as a grafter and make sure it’s known you have your license.

And, if your dad is in the industry, for goodness sake abuse that luxury. No shame in it at all.

bigvern1:
Good luck finding someone to insure you! Sorry to be blunt, but that’s the way it is kid. :wink:

My nephews 22 and he’s had no joy with driving jobs…to be fair he is a clumsy f**ker!

No luck finding driving work, but I did start my new job on thursday unloading containers. Just finished my third shift this week.

And well I sort of have got my start :wink: No harm waiting a while :slight_smile:

Cheers

Jonny :sunglasses:

Just two things,

Good luck with the new job

There is no such thing as a good driver. People learn everyday even though they have driven for over 30 years, they still learn. My advice is get rid of the cockiness and learn how to drive as you are just a new car driver on the road with little experience. No one will touch you yet until you have held that license for over a year. This is not a attack just some advice.

jonnytruckfest:
Evening folks,

Thought I would ask on here as I normally get good feedback, just wondering if anybody knows of any companies whom does Long Distance van work whom are taking on at the moment. I know it’s a long shot but never know your luck in a raffle and all that.

Cheers

Jonny :sunglasses:

Try here
westward-courier.co.uk/

Cheers micky, fully understand that mate. Although my gaffer did say as soon as I get my hgv license to let him know as I’ll be out of the warehouse and into the drivers seat. His words not mine, I’m just working up and saving up for that privilege :slight_smile:

One step at a time though :slight_smile: Gives me more time on the road in the car, and a chance to prove ones self to the company for the role I’m after. After all it’s not bad money but it’s not fantastic either.

Cheers

Jonny :sunglasses:

xjrv8:
Here is some advice for you:
You have virtually no chance of getting a job driving due to your age and inexperience in driving. You want to become a truck driver so you have to use whatever you can to get an advantage over others who want the same. Your dad is a driver so why don’t you use this and see if his company will take you on with the Young Driver’s Scheme?

This comment “after all I’m trying to get that start without the help of my dad etc as id rather find that chance and earn it than it be handed to me on a plate”…forget that. Get a start then get another job in the future without any help. It is who you know in this world. I am sure any driver looking for a job would use any relative to help them get a job.
Or you can carry on posting on here asking for advice help etc and still have no chance of getting your dream job.

there isnt such a thing as the Young Driver Scheme anymore. It is the reason that 18 year old drivers can now do the C and C+E

maga:
Not sure how old you are but guessing about my age :laughing: . I started on long distance van driving for 8 months, I wouldn’t recommend it to anybody. Long hours, crap money, stopping only for a toilet break, surprising how easy it is to overload a van too. only plus side i found was i got to travel all over including some of europe, id never get that chance in a lorry. If you do get an opportunity, buy some match sticks to prop your eyes open :laughing: :laughing:

It all depends of what company you do work for.

I do it (full time, then casual, now I am full time again, but looking for something more) for nearly 3 years now and I love it.

No tacho - so drive when you feel good, and stop when you are tired. Reasonable boss would not take jobs that are impossible to do safely. And if you are tired, just call the office and tell them “I am tired, I am pulling off”. My boss says “better late in this life than early in next one”.

Under 3,5t, so you can stay overnight with your friends, as you can drive virtually everywhere. I have often morning collection from Heathrow, usually I stay with my friends nearby or another ones near Shepperds Bush. Boss has no problem with me driving van to them, as he gets well rested driver and don’t need to pay for the hotel.

It also helps with food - you are not destined to crappy cafes or MSA’s - whenever you have some time, just take the side road and stop by some village pub, or do your own shopping and then enjoy your meal at the small car park in some nice nature surroundings.

In my line of work we rarely have heavy vans, it’s mostly small pallets, boxes or even single items. My recent deliveries included

  • a bit for some sculpture, slightly bigger than a marker pen
  • set of human eyeballs for transplant in dry ice
  • four coffins
  • some lab equipment in small wooden crate
  • someone’s passport
  • shop signs
  • some spare parts for the ship, two euro pallets in total.

Today all I carried was two euro pallets at about 70 kgs each, one at 170 kg, a crate of 70 kg and a hand carry box.

Item weights are usually on the notes, so you can check yourself. I was overloaded only once, and only because the speditor assumes that the driver is 70kgs, and I am a little bit more so it made me about 50 kgs over the limits. Austrian VOSA told me to do not do it again and let me go :slight_smile:

Yes, sometimes you have to press ahead to make delivery on time - today I had to eat in McDonald’s (which I hate). But on the other hand, especially when far away from home, you might be told to wait for the back loads… The longest I had was nearly two days near Bergen. I’ve been to few museums, had a bbq at the bank of some nice fjord and played guitar with some tourist at the fire in their camp. Other time I spend all day on the beach then was driving through the country roads, as I had two days to go from La Havre to Bordeaux. And then there was that weekend on Cote’d’Azur…

Money can be good, if you are in the right company. we have quite low hourly rate (still better than some agencies offer me for class 2 though) but we are paid for all the time away. So for example I left Glasgow thursday evening, been in London in the middle of the night, took the kip, then delivered at 9am, drove for 8 hours doing few drops from Southend to Bristol, then drove to see my friends in London, stayed there overnight, collected from Heathrow at 9am went back via Manchester and Edinburgh. Two days away and I am paid as if I did 5 10 hour shifts for the agency…

It’s worth to have some special skills - ADR, level D, carriage of animals - then there is not much jobs, but when there are, they are really good. Of these three I would recomend level D if you have busy airport near you, I have quite a few odd jobs here and there in quiet period - also driving trucks or forklift - only because I have this certificate.

And if you get to the international company, you will learn the paperwork - CMR’s, other forms, customs etc. art of sealing the vehicle etc. Here the paperwork is exactly the same as for big trucks.

There are some downsides, like in British companies (ulike than in Polish, when it’s a standard, I don’t get it why it is not here) they don’t believe in sleeping cabs/pods so you have to be prepared to sleep across the seats (altough it can be worked along, for example I have vast network of friends who are happy to offer me a coach to surf and in exchange they stay in my place in Glasgow when I am away for Scottish holidays), on longer journey it is perfectly normal to go to the hotel. What I also do is I carry a karrimate with me and just pretend I am a motorhome :slight_smile: especially that these longer journeys are often a hot shots with one crate or pallet and the rest of the van is empty and clean, as we cary mostly boxes and neat pallets with expensive stuff :slight_smile: I prefer it to hotels, I will go to the hotels when I will be old :slight_smile:

Also the vans, if they are not maintained properly, can be pin in the arse… I have the feeling that I am the only one in the company who cares about things like changing bulbs or windscreen wipers… The mileages are cosmic (10 plate van I drove today has over 392 000 on the clock already and it wasn’t the most busy one) and therefore the company don’t invest in them, they just run them to death and take the next one. Still it’s not too bad, I had to refuse taking van on the road only on two occasions, the “important” bits are usually kept well, it’s some annoying things like rattling, broken switches, dents, cracked windscreens etc.

Another thing is that if you are in time critical deliveries (and this is when the fun is), the job is very irregular. Basically speaking, you are on call 24/7. Very annoying when you try to plan something or even have social life :slight_smile: But for a single young lad without family ties, I thing it’s a good, if you treat it as an adventure.

I fully support johnny’s idea of learning the ropes by getting into van driving. Just be careful and make yourself unbreakable rule number one: if you feel tired, stop. If the boss sacks you for that, it’s no loss, as if he tried to force you to keep driving, it was time to ditch the job anyway.

Van driving, along with driving for Hebrides Haulage, is the best driving job I ever had. And it is the best paying job I ever had, enough to say I ditched being a police interpreter for this. Now I am about to graduate so I am looking into some “graduate job” but I dread to think I won’t be on the road any more…

alix776:
The main problem is the van job is on its arse due to Pollocks running for much less than a mars bar

This is actually not true. It used to be, but things changed a lot over last 10 years.

UK companies charge between 80p 100p per mile. Polish companies run at 70-90 eurocents per km. They use the same fuel, they pay the same tolls (you can’t really get 1600 of cheap diesel in Kaliningrad onto Renault Master). Polish drivers have different pay structure (they are paid some low basic salary and then per km, sometimes only loaded, sometimes all kms, sometimes they are on basic + % from the job) but they often earn less money, insurance still is cheaper in Poland (but it is no more several times cheaper as it used to be when I first came to UK) and some other costs of running the company in Poland are higher than here… Yeah, servicing is cheaper, but if you run across the whole Europe, as my company does, there is nothing that stops you from servicing your van in Eastern Europe at the same price…

I dare to say that on this market competition with EE hauliers is possible already if only British companies stopped moaning about “this bloody pollocks who drive for the bowl of cabbage” and (and I am speaking from the example of the company I work for and some others) stop wasting money. My company wastes most money on not respecting the vans - after three years they look like crap, they drive not much better and I doubt they sell them for anything more than a price of scrap. Menahwhile my friend in Poland recently clocked 1 200 000 kms on identical sprinter as we have and starts to wonders if he should invest in some maintenance or drive it for a bit longer and upgrade for a newer one…

Just to give you idea how wrong you are: recently my friend was moving to Poland. He asked me to organize a transport for him. I shopped around and I found that we are slightly more expensive (about 15%) if he wanted to get a dedicated van who just picks his stuff and him from his home and deliver him directly, but we are much cheaper than Polish companies if he wanted to send his stuff on pallets.

jonnytruckfest:
And so csi trucknet have decided to join in, i not once said i was a perfect driver, but im confident in my ability to say I’m a good driver…

My Polish driving instructor told me once, that there are four stages in driver’s life.

  1. justified inconfidence
  2. unjustified confidence
    CRASH
  3. unjustified inconfidence
  4. justified confidence.

and that I will need to do about half of the milion to be even able to consider myself close to 4.

ROG:
If you consider the advanced driving organisations a good judge of others driving then contact your local group and take one of their tutors/observers out with you in your car for a FREE assessment

You are speaking about these bunch of the people who claim that running your hands on the steering wheel as if you were making pretzels is safe and good thing to do? :slight_smile: :slight_smile:

Driveroneuk:
Most drivers, including those with lots of experience, think they are “better than average.” They don’t know that they aren’t because nobody ever looks at their driving.

There was once a poll amongst Polish drivers. over 90% of them believed that they fall into the 10% of best drivers… I think it’s the same for all the nations :slight_smile:

xjrv8:
Here is some advice for you:
You have virtually no chance of getting a job driving due to your age and inexperience in driving. You want to become a truck driver so you have to use whatever you can to get an advantage over others who want the same. Your dad is a driver so why don’t you use this and see if his company will take you on with the Young Driver’s Scheme?

This comment “after all I’m trying to get that start without the help of my dad etc as id rather find that chance and earn it than it be handed to me on a plate”…forget that. Get a start then get another job in the future without any help. It is who you know in this world. I am sure any driver looking for a job would use any relative to help them get a job.
Or you can carry on posting on here asking for advice help etc and still have no chance of getting your dream job.

There is one more option for him, it’s usually a route for young Polish drivers. They are some companies that do van tramping in Eastern Europe. If you don’t dread to be two or three weeks away in the small van with a sleeping pod, then you can try with them. Then you got week or two off, and then back on the road. You will tramp allover Europe and you will surely learn the things.

Here you have the threat from the sister forum with small van companies: wagaciezka.com/viewtopic.php … 2&start=40 Polish, but they are some links, they often have English webpages.

You won’t make a fortune, as most of them pay pennies (like one example is about 100 pounds per week + 20 euro for every day in the month after you make 23 000 kms) which is silly even for Polish standards, but this is why they are allways looking…

Still you will propably get more than jobseekers allowance here and you will learn. Most of the guys in that other forum are in your position, they usually get a job, even with some crap company, do run or two for them and then when the boss is playing silly things just drop the job, but they already have some experience.

You dont’ speak Polish, but you will be driving in Europe (altough some of Polish companies go East) and here you being native English is your advantage over most of these boys. For speditors is usually standard to speak English (to get a job as a speditor in Poland you have to speak either English or two other languages, you can see here that they mostly do: mptrans.pl/EN/kontakt.html) so unless you get to some really crap company, you should not have problems on that front. I know, it sounds crazy, but if you are desperate to get a driving job it might be worth a try. I met a guy once who drive for Polish company (but class 1) and he does just that: rynair to Poland (or change in Holland), three weeks on the road, then ryanair home.

orys:

ROG:
If you consider the advanced driving organisations a good judge of others driving then contact your local group and take one of their tutors/observers out with you in your car for a FREE assessment

You are speaking about these bunch of the people who claim that running your hands on the steering wheel as if you were making pretzels is safe and good thing to do? :slight_smile: :slight_smile:

Safest way to steer but other methods are also safe

I use PP for 99.99% of the time so it must be easy cos I can do it :smiley:

Johny, take no notice, some people on here were born at 30 years of age, they forget they were young once. If you go in with the same enthusiasm job hunting then something you want will turn up. You sound like you arent the typical 19yr old, for a start youve bought a car most people your age would rather walk than be seen in and then you actually want a job.
Just learn to walk before you run, perhaps if I had I wouldn`t have spent 2 months in Chesterfield hospital and 30 years later still be in pain with plates in my arm and a totally screwed up knee.

Some very good advice there from orys. At your age with (I’m assuming) no real commitments like a wife, kids and mortgage, the eastern European route sounds a very good idea.
You won’t become an overnight millionaire but think of the experience