The nip will give date/time offence, speed and location. It will not give the penalty as that’s only later down the line once the driver has been identified.
m1cks:
But it does clearly state the fixed penalty is a ‘conditional offer’ they may still choose to summons him because it’s a HGV. We should find out in a weeks time.
Copied from the link-
“Class of Vehicles:
Certain classes of vehicle are subject not only to any speed restriction placed on a road but also to a maximum speed restriction placed on the vehicle itself. Where such a vehicle is found to be offending against both restrictions at the same time, proceedings should normally be taken only in respect of the breach of the lower of the two restrictions. Where both restrictions are the same, proceedings should be taken for exceeding the speed limit applicable to the road and not the class of vehicle”
Reading that, it says that they will do him for 55 in a 40 limit, doesn’t say any thing about being a Great Big Nasty HGV, just ‘Certain Classes of vehicle’.
So if they want to be consistent, it should be a Fixed Penalty(conditional offer)-£100 & 3 points.
Let’s hope that the TC doesn’t get involved.
All that says is if it’s a 30 he would be treated like a car. The NSL for a car would be 60 so he can’t be summonsed for breaking the speed limit or the road, only the speed limit for the class of vehicle on that road. It’s also classed as a difference offence code on your licence (not a sp)
As of 4pm today, it hadn’t arrived which is 7 days, still plenty of time for it to come though. (no doubt it will turn up tomorrow now lol)
Just been to see compliance again today and there is still nothing, it’s been 3 weeks today.
m1cks:
All that says is if it’s a 30 he would be treated like a car. The NSL for a car would be 60 so he can’t be summonsed for breaking the speed limit or the road, only the speed limit for the class of vehicle on that road. It’s also classed as a difference offence code on your licence (not a sp)
Wrong:
“SP10 - Exceeding goods vehicle speed limits”
Took six weeks for mine to reach me. To be fair I didn’t know it was coming so never inquired about it like you have. But it’s looking like you got lucky this time.
The man at work says it should have been there within 2 weeks.
Edit - but I’m not counting my chickens yet!
ajs68:
Ex traffic copper from Lincolnshire, because you were in a HGV and the speed, then i am afraid expect the worse. If you get an offer of 3 points take it. Your speed you think was between 52.6 and 56, 32% to 40% over the speed limit you have no chance of a speed awareness course. Say you were in a car exceeding the national limit on a single carriageway, 60mph + 32%/40% = 79.2 mph/84 mph.
I would say a conditional offer of 3 points would be your best outcome.
The camera is set to detect vehicle types by sensors in the road which indicate weights and as such can tell the difference between cars and LGVs.If you dont get a notice of intended prosecution within 14 days then you may argue against the procedure if one turns up after 14 days. Remember the NIP goes to the registered keeper, so hope its registered to work or the NIP can go round in circles and will be valid.
A few friends of mine i have managed to advise and they have had cases dropped, mainly due to the police taking too long to issue NIP’s. 14 days is maximum, anything over you can argue the offence is out of time.
If you go to court,do not mention you were set on cruise at 52.6mph, this indicates you were blatantly breaking the speed limit.
Good post that, thanks for the clear explanation, from an organ grinder too so you know its kosher.
A52 i’m especially wary off, indeed the whole of Notts and surround, obviously the single cameras but the average speed sections as you get towards Bingham, keep wondering if its me being paranoid cos i seem to end up with a bloody lorry right up me chuff when i travel at 40 through that section…keep thinking they must know something i don’t and cursing me for holding 'em up, ie that the cameras aint working, but buggered if i’m taking the chance, my reckoning is they didn’t spend all that money putting all them gantries up just to decorate the road.
Learned a long while ago that cameras were size/weight sensitive, managed to set a Gatso flashing on the A40 near Oxford over 15 or maybe 20 years ago, that shook me a bit, must have been out of film though as never heard anything…phew…where’s the ‘flicking sweat from the fevered brow’ smiley.
ajs68:
If you don’t get a notice of intended prosecution within 14 days then you may argue against the procedure if one turns up after 14 days. Remember the NIP goes to the registered keeper, so hope its registered to work or the NIP can go round in circles and will be valid.
Just a small point, but the registered keeper doesn’t have to receive the NIP in 14 days; the police just have to post it off in that time. If it arrives late, you must check the postmark.
Juddian:
ajs68:
Ex traffic copper from Lincolnshire, because you were in a HGV and the speed, then i am afraid expect the worse. If you get an offer of 3 points take it. Your speed you think was between 52.6 and 56, 32% to 40% over the speed limit you have no chance of a speed awareness course. Say you were in a car exceeding the national limit on a single carriageway, 60mph + 32%/40% = 79.2 mph/84 mph.
I would say a conditional offer of 3 points would be your best outcome.
The camera is set to detect vehicle types by sensors in the road which indicate weights and as such can tell the difference between cars and LGVs.If you dont get a notice of intended prosecution within 14 days then you may argue against the procedure if one turns up after 14 days. Remember the NIP goes to the registered keeper, so hope its registered to work or the NIP can go round in circles and will be valid.
A few friends of mine i have managed to advise and they have had cases dropped, mainly due to the police taking too long to issue NIP’s. 14 days is maximum, anything over you can argue the offence is out of time.
If you go to court,do not mention you were set on cruise at 52.6mph, this indicates you were blatantly breaking the speed limit.Good post that, thanks for the clear explanation, from an organ grinder too so you know its kosher.
A52 i’m especially wary off, indeed the whole of Notts and surround, obviously the single cameras but the average speed sections as you get towards Bingham, keep wondering if its me being paranoid cos i seem to end up with a bloody lorry right up me chuff when i travel at 40 through that section…keep thinking they must know something i don’t and cursing me for holding 'em up, ie that the cameras aint working, but buggered if i’m taking the chance, my reckoning is they didn’t spend all that money putting all them gantries up just to decorate the road.
Learned a long while ago that cameras were size/weight sensitive, managed to set a Gatso flashing on the A40 near Oxford over 15 or maybe 20 years ago, that shook me a bit, must have been out of film though as never heard anything…phew…where’s the ‘flicking sweat from the fevered brow’ smiley.
The average speed cameras on the A52 are not set for trucks, I can assure you of that.
Santa:
ajs68:
If you don’t get a notice of intended prosecution within 14 days then you may argue against the procedure if one turns up after 14 days. Remember the NIP goes to the registered keeper, so hope its registered to work or the NIP can go round in circles and will be valid.Just a small point, but the registered keeper doesn’t have to receive the NIP in 14 days; the police just have to post it off in that time. If it arrives late, you must check the postmark.
I don’t understand why it’s taking so long to come, it’s one of those ones with no film in, with auto sending (I’m sure it’s hooked up to the Internet).
I think the waiting is the worse bit, I just want to know my fate lol.
Maybe, just maybe, you can start to breathe a sigh of relief.
NewLad:
Juddian:
ajs68:
Ex traffic copper from Lincolnshire, because you were in a HGV and the speed, then i am afraid expect the worse. If you get an offer of 3 points take it. Your speed you think was between 52.6 and 56, 32% to 40% over the speed limit you have no chance of a speed awareness course. Say you were in a car exceeding the national limit on a single carriageway, 60mph + 32%/40% = 79.2 mph/84 mph.
I would say a conditional offer of 3 points would be your best outcome.
The camera is set to detect vehicle types by sensors in the road which indicate weights and as such can tell the difference between cars and LGVs.If you dont get a notice of intended prosecution within 14 days then you may argue against the procedure if one turns up after 14 days. Remember the NIP goes to the registered keeper, so hope its registered to work or the NIP can go round in circles and will be valid.
A few friends of mine i have managed to advise and they have had cases dropped, mainly due to the police taking too long to issue NIP’s. 14 days is maximum, anything over you can argue the offence is out of time.
If you go to court,do not mention you were set on cruise at 52.6mph, this indicates you were blatantly breaking the speed limit.Good post that, thanks for the clear explanation, from an organ grinder too so you know its kosher.
A52 i’m especially wary off, indeed the whole of Notts and surround, obviously the single cameras but the average speed sections as you get towards Bingham, keep wondering if its me being paranoid cos i seem to end up with a bloody lorry right up me chuff when i travel at 40 through that section…keep thinking they must know something i don’t and cursing me for holding 'em up, ie that the cameras aint working, but buggered if i’m taking the chance, my reckoning is they didn’t spend all that money putting all them gantries up just to decorate the road.
Learned a long while ago that cameras were size/weight sensitive, managed to set a Gatso flashing on the A40 near Oxford over 15 or maybe 20 years ago, that shook me a bit, must have been out of film though as never heard anything…phew…where’s the ‘flicking sweat from the fevered brow’ smiley.
The average speed cameras on the A52 are not set for trucks, I can assure you of that.
Not as i disbelieve you NewLad, but how do you know for sure, how do you know if an income hungry department might decide to reprogram tomorrow, yesterday, hardly likely to take out a national newspaper camapign of advertisments so they don’t catch us.
Juddian:
NewLad:
Juddian:
ajs68:
Ex traffic copper from Lincolnshire, because you were in a HGV and the speed, then i am afraid expect the worse. If you get an offer of 3 points take it. Your speed you think was between 52.6 and 56, 32% to 40% over the speed limit you have no chance of a speed awareness course. Say you were in a car exceeding the national limit on a single carriageway, 60mph + 32%/40% = 79.2 mph/84 mph.
I would say a conditional offer of 3 points would be your best outcome.
The camera is set to detect vehicle types by sensors in the road which indicate weights and as such can tell the difference between cars and LGVs.If you dont get a notice of intended prosecution within 14 days then you may argue against the procedure if one turns up after 14 days. Remember the NIP goes to the registered keeper, so hope its registered to work or the NIP can go round in circles and will be valid.
A few friends of mine i have managed to advise and they have had cases dropped, mainly due to the police taking too long to issue NIP’s. 14 days is maximum, anything over you can argue the offence is out of time.
If you go to court,do not mention you were set on cruise at 52.6mph, this indicates you were blatantly breaking the speed limit.Good post that, thanks for the clear explanation, from an organ grinder too so you know its kosher.
A52 i’m especially wary off, indeed the whole of Notts and surround, obviously the single cameras but the average speed sections as you get towards Bingham, keep wondering if its me being paranoid cos i seem to end up with a bloody lorry right up me chuff when i travel at 40 through that section…keep thinking they must know something i don’t and cursing me for holding 'em up, ie that the cameras aint working, but buggered if i’m taking the chance, my reckoning is they didn’t spend all that money putting all them gantries up just to decorate the road.
Learned a long while ago that cameras were size/weight sensitive, managed to set a Gatso flashing on the A40 near Oxford over 15 or maybe 20 years ago, that shook me a bit, must have been out of film though as never heard anything…phew…where’s the ‘flicking sweat from the fevered brow’ smiley.
The average speed cameras on the A52 are not set for trucks, I can assure you of that.
Not as i disbelieve you NewLad, but how do you know for sure, how do you know if an income hungry department might decide to reprogram tomorrow, yesterday, hardly likely to take out a national newspaper camapign of advertisments so they don’t catch us.
I’m not saying that they won’t re-programme them but at the minute they don’t catch hgv’s.
If they did re-programme them the wages in Lincolnshire would go through the roof, 90% of the hgv drivers in the area would be on the dole!
Santa:
ajs68:
If you don’t get a notice of intended prosecution within 14 days then you may argue against the procedure if one turns up after 14 days. Remember the NIP goes to the registered keeper, so hope its registered to work or the NIP can go round in circles and will be valid.Just a small point, but the registered keeper doesn’t have to receive the NIP in 14 days; the police just have to post it off in that time. If it arrives late, you must check the postmark.
Correct and that’s why they are Recorded Delivery, well they were from my old department in Boston. But yes, do check the postmark.
NewLad:
Juddian:
ajs68:
Ex traffic copper from Lincolnshire, because you were in a HGV and the speed, then i am afraid expect the worse. If you get an offer of 3 points take it. Your speed you think was between 52.6 and 56, 32% to 40% over the speed limit you have no chance of a speed awareness course. Say you were in a car exceeding the national limit on a single carriageway, 60mph + 32%/40% = 79.2 mph/84 mph.
I would say a conditional offer of 3 points would be your best outcome.
The camera is set to detect vehicle types by sensors in the road which indicate weights and as such can tell the difference between cars and LGVs.If you dont get a notice of intended prosecution within 14 days then you may argue against the procedure if one turns up after 14 days. Remember the NIP goes to the registered keeper, so hope its registered to work or the NIP can go round in circles and will be valid.
A few friends of mine i have managed to advise and they have had cases dropped, mainly due to the police taking too long to issue NIP’s. 14 days is maximum, anything over you can argue the offence is out of time.
If you go to court,do not mention you were set on cruise at 52.6mph, this indicates you were blatantly breaking the speed limit.Good post that, thanks for the clear explanation, from an organ grinder too so you know its kosher.
A52 i’m especially wary off, indeed the whole of Notts and surround, obviously the single cameras but the average speed sections as you get towards Bingham, keep wondering if its me being paranoid cos i seem to end up with a bloody lorry right up me chuff when i travel at 40 through that section…keep thinking they must know something i don’t and cursing me for holding 'em up, ie that the cameras aint working, but buggered if i’m taking the chance, my reckoning is they didn’t spend all that money putting all them gantries up just to decorate the road.
Learned a long while ago that cameras were size/weight sensitive, managed to set a Gatso flashing on the A40 near Oxford over 15 or maybe 20 years ago, that shook me a bit, must have been out of film though as never heard anything…phew…where’s the ‘flicking sweat from the fevered brow’ smiley.
The average speed cameras on the A52 are not set for trucks, I can assure you of that.
Yes they are, and can be switched at anytime. Average speed cameras take photos of EVERY vehicle as they pass the first and subsequent cameras. There is no flash as they are infra red. The photo of your first pass is compared to the photo of your subsequent appearances and a simple maths formula is applied. The cameras are set at a known distance, the speed is set for the road and the vehicle determines the unknown element of time. Speed (known) = Distance(known)/Time(Determined by the driver).
The photos are compared along the route which will determine your speed at various sections if there are multiple cameras and an average calculated.
So, when i see drivers overtaking and slamming on at the camera (Average speed ones SPECS) then gunning it i think, you will still get caught, as the camera is only looking at time between cameras, not your speed at that camera point. There is a chance that you will be under the speed limit by slamming on and speeding up, but still makes me think, do these drivers actually understand what an average speed camera is actually doing.
Ok ajs68 I’ll put it another way, I go along the A52 (in one direction or another) about 12 times a week, I could count on 2 fingers the amount of times I’ve done a 40mph average, I can count on 0 fingers how many tickets I’ve had from the AVERAGE speed cameras.
NewLad:
Ok ajs68 I’ll put it another way, I go along the A52 (in one direction or another) about 12 times a week, I could count on 2 fingers the amount of times I’ve done a 40mph average, I can count on 0 fingers how many tickets I’ve had from the AVERAGE speed cameras.
Flavour of the month and whether they are targetting LGV’s, but they can and do detect LGV’s speeding, but do not action the speeders. At this time you are correct and the system only recognises and records cars, but a Chief Constable like the one Lincs have can decide to lower the threshold or it becomes a priority for the Roads policing units. The system would be overloaded with LGV’s above 40mph on the A52 towards Grantham, but a potential for a few days to earn some income. As i say it is possible with a minor alteration and you would never realise until paperwork landed on your doorstep. I travel the same route and to be sure, stick at 40 on that section. I have worked for them and know how cunning and slippery they can be. It’s entirely your own choice.
An Example,Holdingham VOSA pull in layby, they can detect your weight and speed before you are even pulled in.
ajs68:
Santa:
ajs68:
If you don’t get a notice of intended prosecution within 14 days then you may argue against the procedure if one turns up after 14 days. Remember the NIP goes to the registered keeper, so hope its registered to work or the NIP can go round in circles and will be valid.Just a small point, but the registered keeper doesn’t have to receive the NIP in 14 days; the police just have to post it off in that time. If it arrives late, you must check the postmark.
Correct and that’s why they are Recorded Delivery, well they were from my old department in Boston. But yes, do check the postmark.
I am not aware of any UK police force sending out NIP’s by anything other than 2nd class post, never mind by recorded.