Just how dodgy are DeRooy?

[robroy]

GasGas:
The road transport sector is still living in the 1950s, but the rest of the world has moved on. It has a choice: either cut drivers hours drastically and get them home most nights, or keep the hours as they are but start paying drivers stockbroker wages.

Aint too bothered about getting home, as I’ve always tramped (how sad is that eh ) and I don’t want or expect a ‘stocbroker wage’ as you put it. What we should be getting is a good wage for working excessive hours instead of just a living wage. Or cut hours for the living wage…then again I want Holly Willoughby as a passenger wearing only her underwear and
a Newcastle Utd no9 shirt but neither things are going to come about. in fact I reckon I’ve a better chance with Holly!

[caledoniandream]

GasGas:
Drivers hours are going to have to come down.

If you want a mortgage and to raise a family (and most young people do) then you need two incomes.

This means that both partners have to take their share of child-related duties…the days of Mummy staying at home to look after Janet and John while Daddy goes to work are long-gone.

And that means the days of Daddy being able to pull 15-hour shifts every week are over, too.

The road transport sector is still living in the 1950s, but the rest of the world has moved on. It has a choice: either cut drivers hours drastically and get them home most nights, or keep the hours as they are but start paying drivers stockbroker wages.

While I agree to some extend with you, long hours are inherent on transport, that will never change.
I don’t know any industry where a company buys a “Machine” for in excess of 150.000 pound, and uses it only 8 hours a day.
It’s not happening, as the cost will outweigh the profits.
And yes I agree, hourly pay should be higher than it is current for some, but WE (That is YOU and ME) don’t want to pay more for our goods in the store.
The moment we all vote with our feet and only buy from companies who pay their workforce top wack, it will never change, not in my life time!

so we are stuck with it, and we can leave the industry and go all stacking shelves, we don’t i know for a fact as there a weekly adverts for shelf stackers.
And even if “shelf stacking” paid 10 pound an hour (i haven’t seen any jobs in my search over the last 2 years, stacking shelves what pays that) and you got your 37.5 hours, you would be on 19.5K a year (before tax)

Many drivers make in excess for that, and more important wouldn’t be able to have their current life style for that kind of money.

I always found when i was driving away from home (nights out) I may as well do the maximum hours, what else is there to do?
Sitting in the pub, burning my hard earned money away?
I worked all the hours given in the past, sorted my life out with the money i earned, and can choose and pick which job i want as what they pay is relative unimportant.

I actually left a job to do my dream job for roughly half the money i previous earned.

Transport is a choice, if you made that choice, you knew the consequences: long hours, mediocre pay.
And you still choose it, so who is to blame?
You can still get out of it,they asking for factory workers (salary meets NMW), shelf stackers £6.70 p/h, or Supermarket delivery drivers 20hrs at £7.90 p/h) so take you pick.

a lot of this moaning sound like people who buy a house beside a abattoir and complain about the smell and the dead animals.

You knew it when you bought the house.
the same is for drivers, nobody forced you to do Transport, all the information was there, and you still choose to be a truck driver■■?

[ovlov_jay]

^^^^^Totally agree with this^^^^^

[victa1]

F-reds:

green456:
I am willing to bet you any money that Tesco shelf stackers and filling station employees do not work 15 hrs a day

Please go to Tesco in Batford at 2345 tonight. Ask hisham what time he started today, it’s a fair bet that he was in at 0600.

Equally try Shell Chiswell Green. Ask a couple of the people in there with a grubby shirt on what time they started. Plenty there do 12-15 hour days.

I’m not saying it’s right. I just wish some people who whinged about long hours on here had some perspective. If you are in a low wages per hour job, chances are you work a lot of hours to make up a decent wage.

37.5 hours per week take home £268 basic 22.15 to 06.00 , with company pension , 28 days holidays , company shares scheme , subsidies canteen & 10% discount and first shout at all the reduced gear .
I done it for 13 years I just couldn’t put up with the monotony of the job but can go far if you have managerial qualities starting at £22 grand a year…

[terry_t]

This is what happened when Mr Tuffnells hit the back of a Do Rooy that fell off while having a piggy back

[peirre]

caledoniandream:
I don’t know any industry where a company buys a “Machine” for in excess of 150.000 pound, and uses it only 8 hours a day.
It’s not happening, as the cost will outweigh the profits.

I can think of 1 … Remploy
I did some delivery work for them, delivering school furniture.
Which they manufactured Monday - Friday 8-4.
Needless to say despite occupying a modern factory unit fully equipped with fancy machinery it shut

[terry_t]

I don’t know any industry where a company buys a “Machine” for in excess of 150.000 pound, and uses it only 8 hours a day.

I come from an engineering background and this is mostly true. While I’ve had 1 or 2 jobs that were 8-5pm or thereabouts most were run double or triple shifted during the week and just as many ran 24/7. Only small companies with very few employees run day shifts in engineering. Big companies run their machinery non stop. And why wouldn’t they.

The only difference is they run 3 shifts in 24 hours instead of 2. And if they run 2 shifts @ 12 hours then it’s usually only for 4 days, sometimes only 3.

I always found when i was driving away from home (nights out) I may as well do the maximum hours, what else is there to do?

Deffo. 9 hours off is more than enough when tramping. I do night tramping and beat my alarm clock almost every single day. Some times by several hours.

[rob22888]

caledoniandream:
so we are stuck with it, and we can leave the industry and go all stacking shelves, we don’t i know for a fact as there a weekly adverts for shelf stackers.
And even if “shelf stacking” paid 10 pound an hour (i haven’t seen any jobs in my search over the last 2 years, stacking shelves what pays that) and you got your 37.5 hours, you would be on 19.5K a year (before tax)

Many drivers make in excess for that, and more important wouldn’t be able to have their current life style for that kind of money.

A good point well made. I am sick & tired of hearing this “may as well stack shelves” argument.

Lets face it, a lot of us are to an extent trapped in this industry because we would not be able to make the money we do & have become reliant on elsewhere (at least without training & biding of time many can’t afford). Most Class 1 drivers I speak to & know of are earning in the region of £30k a year, you have to be management to earn that in a lot of places.

[robroy]

caledoniandream:
While I agree to some extend with you, long hours are inherent on transport, that will never change.
I don’t know any industry where a company buys a “Machine” for in excess of 150.000 pound, and uses it only 8 hours a day.
It’s not happening, as the cost will outweigh the profits.
And yes I agree, hourly pay should be higher than it is current for some, but WE (That is YOU and ME) don’t want to pay more for our goods in the store.
The moment we all vote with our feet and only buy from companies who pay their workforce top wack, it will never change, not in my life time!

so we are stuck with it, and we can leave the industry and go all stacking shelves, we don’t i know for a fact as there a weekly adverts for shelf stackers.
And even if “shelf stacking” paid 10 pound an hour (i haven’t seen any jobs in my search over the last 2 years, stacking shelves what pays that) and you got your 37.5 hours, you would be on 19.5K a year (before tax)

Many drivers make in excess for that, and more important wouldn’t be able to have their current life style for that kind of money.

I always found when i was driving away from home (nights out) I may as well do the maximum hours, what else is there to do?
Sitting in the pub, burning my hard earned money away?
I worked all the hours given in the past, sorted my life out with the money i earned, and can choose and pick which job i want as what they pay is relative unimportant.

I actually left a job to do my dream job for roughly half the money i previous earned.

Transport is a choice, if you made that choice, you knew the consequences: long hours, mediocre pay.
And you still choose it, so who is to blame?
You can still get out of it,they asking for factory workers (salary meets NMW), shelf stackers £6.70 p/h, or Supermarket delivery drivers 20hrs at £7.90 p/h) so take you pick.

a lot of this moaning sound like people who buy a house beside a abattoir and complain about the smell and the dead animals.

You knew it when you bought the house.
the same is for drivers, nobody forced you to do Transport, all the information was there, and you still choose to be a truck driver■■?

What you say is right ( even if it is everything I said somebody would say ) the ‘jobs a hobby crew’ are always going to agree, as are the 25hr a day men whatever the pay rate is.
It’s right we all went in to it voluntary but it aint the job that I started before it became a rat race where some guys treat it like a ■■■■■■ endurance test, the work and sleep only types.
You say that good pay for excessive hours equates to rising prices, well maybe so but why is it always us that has to subsidise prices.
If we all want to kid ourselves that the take home pay justifies the long hours, and pacify themselves by the annual rate then crack on, but don’t knock those that know otherwise. I know things aint gonna change anytime soon, but at least I try and see the true picture.

[happysack]

Here’s a radical idea. If you think you will be better off stacking shelves then ■■■■ off right now. The store manager in the local coop earns less in a year than I do. So you think stacking shelves will make you better off? You are delusional. Bunch of namby pamby hand wringers on here.

You want more than 9 hours of at nights? Fine get a job that caters for your needs. 9 hours is quite adequate to park up have tea have a wash do paperwork read a book watch telly blah blah blah. And still get a nights sleep. I’m guessing the ones who moan they need 8 hours sleep are the fatties who are exhausted after a2 hour drive to an rdc.

[robroy]

happysack:
. Bunch of namby pamby hand wringers on here.

You want more than 9 hours of at nights? Fine get a job that caters for your needs. 9 hours is quite adequate to park up have tea have a wash do paperwork read a book watch telly blah blah blah. And still get a nights sleep. I’m guessing the ones who moan they need 8 hours sleep are the fatties who are exhausted after a2 hour drive to an rdc.

There’s nowt to stop anybody having more than 9 off unless you are misunderstanding the limit/target thing. I’ve never been one to sit with a stopwatch waiting for 8.59 to click over, as I say job not endurance test
Reckon there’s more plastic heroes than hand wringers bud.]

[switchlogic]

robroy:
it aint the job that I started before it became a rat race where some guys treat it like a [zb] endurance test.

It ain’t the job I started either, it’s so much easier these days

[robroy]

switchlogic:

robroy:
it aint the job that I started before it became a rat race where some guys treat it like a [zb] endurance test.

It ain’t the job I started either, it’s so much easier these days

Yeh, on reflection maybe easier for me also. Maybe because I don’t subscribe to said rat race but still manage to get through the required workload alongside those that do, the same ones that seem to get stressed out to a point of neurosis.

[moomooland]

I could have swore this thread title was about Derooy?

Degenerated into the usual thread drift crap

[robroy]

moomooland:
I could have swore this thread title was about Derooy?

Degenerated into the usual thread drift crap

But it all boils down to same thing mate…drivers being pushed and accidents happening. I know first hand what the Dutch can be like if you allow them, worked for them (and married one ) and talking to a couple of Brit DeRooy drivers on the boat a few years ago, they verified this.

[themoocher]

I still don’t see what the problem is with drivers wages.

I’ve come to the conclusion trucking is more of a lifestyle than a job.

I try and do 3 x 15 and 2 x 13 + 4 nights out every week.
In reality I have very rarely worked more than 48hrs in a week.
I think clearing £550-600 for the work I do is a fair deal.

Every industry in the UK is the same ruined.
All tradesmen are on the same or there about as they where 20 years ago.

Everyone is on there a##e.
high mortgages, cost living through the roof and wages are the same as they where 20 years ago.

I don’t care what anyone says eastern Europeans and foreigners are driving the wages into the ground.
The only people that are benefiting from the current migration levels are people with money.
it is crippling us tax payers and working men.

[m_attt]

Themoocher:
I still don’t see what the problem is with drivers wages.

I try and do 3 x 15 and 2 x 13 + 4 nights out every week.
In reality I have very rarely worked more than 48hrs in a week.
I think clearing £550-600 for the work I do is a fair deal.

That is the problem with wages, yet those with sense will work and be home every evening (before 1800) and not be working nights or weekends and easily clear that. And their on agency, yet they are the ones called fools!

[themoocher]

m_attt:

Themoocher:
I still don’t see what the problem is with drivers wages.

I try and do 3 x 15 and 2 x 13 + 4 nights out every week.
In reality I have very rarely worked more than 48hrs in a week.
I think clearing £550-600 for the work I do is a fair deal.

That is the problem with wages, yet those with sense will work and be home every evening (before 1800) and not be working nights or weekends and easily clear that. And their on agency, yet they are the ones called fools!

I don’t want to sound like I am calling you a liar mate.

But I would love to see one of these agency drivers pay slips for a year for 52 weeks Monday to Friday. 45hours a week.
Earning 800-900 a week.

[robroy]

Themoocher:
I still don’t see what the problem is with drivers wages.

I’ve come to the conclusion trucking is more of a lifestyle than a job.

I try and do 3 x 15 and 2 x 13 + 4 nights out every week.
In reality I have very rarely worked more than 48hrs in a week.
I think clearing £550-600 for the work I do is a fair deal.

Every industry in the UK is the same ruined.
All tradesmen are on the same or there about as they where 20 years ago.

Everyone is on there a##e.
high mortgages, cost living through the roof and wages are the same as they where 20 years ago.

I don’t care what anyone says eastern Europeans and foreigners are driving the wages into the ground.
The only people that are benefiting from the current migration levels are people with money.
it is crippling us tax payers and working men.

Don’t want to comment on your political statements mate, but how do you define your 48 hrs ‘work’ and does the 5 to 600 quid include your nights out.
It doesn’t matter if you are driving unloading or sitting with your finger up your arse for 5 hrs waiting to tip…you are still working The fact that you are not doing back breaking manual labour is irrelevant, there is no correlation between hard work and good money, otherwise bin men would be better paid than solicitors.

BTW as the other guy said…nowt to do with DeRooy

[themoocher]

robroy:

Themoocher:
I still don’t see what the problem is with drivers wages.

I’ve come to the conclusion trucking is more of a lifestyle than a job.

I try and do 3 x 15 and 2 x 13 + 4 nights out every week.
In reality I have very rarely worked more than 48hrs in a week.
I think clearing £550-600 for the work I do is a fair deal.

Every industry in the UK is the same ruined.
All tradesmen are on the same or there about as they where 20 years ago.

Everyone is on there a##e.
high mortgages, cost living through the roof and wages are the same as they where 20 years ago.

I don’t care what anyone says eastern Europeans and foreigners are driving the wages into the ground.
The only people that are benefiting from the current migration levels are people with money.
it is crippling us tax payers and working men.

Don’t want to comment on your political statements mate, but how do you define your 48 hrs ‘work’ and does the 5 to 600 quid include your nights out.
It doesn’t matter if you are driving unloading or sitting with your finger up your arse for 5 hrs waiting to tip…you are still working The fact that you are not doing back breaking manual labour is irrelevant, there is no correlation between hard work and good money, otherwise bin men would be better paid than solicitors.

As I said I find it more of a lifestyle choice.
I’m away 5 days so class that as 5 days making as much money as I can.
If your tramping can you really class waiting 5 hours to get tipped actual work?