Jimmy Savile

I can’t help but imagine a loon pants and platform wearing teenage Carryfast and jimmy savvile having a scuffle on the set of top of the pops. Attacking each other with gitaurs and microphone stands with noddy holder trying to break it up.

Carryfast:

FarnboroughBoy11:

Carryfast:

FarnboroughBoy11:

Carryfast:

FarnboroughBoy11:

Carryfast:

FarnboroughBoy11:
Humans arnt supposed to be monogamous, males certainly arnt. Women should be though :slight_smile:
Why don’t you agree on mixing race relationships?

That’s the idea of marriage zb’d then in your world. :smiling_imp:

On the interracial marriage issue I’d reverse the question.The fact is it’s all about pc integration and keeping the immigrant groups happy not multiculturalism.No surprise that the biggest supporters of the idea,of interracial relationships,are the Afro ethnic groups who prefer our girls to their own for the simple reason that ours are generally (a lot) better looking than their own.Which,as I’ve said,explains that massive change in outlooks which took place in the early 1970’s clubbing scene among ‘certain’ groups who’d been happy to mix with the Afro groups ‘until’ they realised the ‘real’ reason why many of the ethnic Afro blokes were so keen to get involved with the indigenous population instead of keeping to their own.

The same issue is probably the main reason for the ethnic strife which applied throughout the Southern US States where the ethnic european population has always understood the difference between multiculturalism compared to integration.To put it simply there’s nothing good about the idea of wiping out our own ethnic group on the basis of some zb’d up socialist ideal of turning the world into one single ethnic group especially when that idea also means that we have to settle for an ethnic African (or Asian) wife so the ethnic African blokes can get a better looking ethnic European one.

While no surprise that,as I’ve said,from experience,the Italians are as keen as any Southern US States redneck,on the idea of keeping the different ethnic groups different (multiculturalism),as opposed to the idea of ‘integration’,when it comes to any other ethnic group (such as the British) except their own,going for a good looking Italian bird in the average Italian venue. :bulb:
That’s even before the age thing is taken into account. :open_mouth:

While it was no surprise that with all the bs about ‘integration’ being supposedly good for the working class the Royals didn’t seem to be that keen on finding an African or Asian wife for Prince Charles. :open_mouth: :smiling_imp: So just typical British hypocricy.

You sound to me like a typical product of the modern generations that have swallowed all the pc brainwashing,concerning the acceptance of contiinuing integration,within the working classes,so that the rich zb’s can keep their cheap labour scam going without too many riots in Brixton or Croydon.Although I doubt that the Polish will be as keen on the idea of integration between the Slav girls and the Afro Carribean groups in the long term. :smiling_imp: :bulb:

Not at all because when and if I ever get married I wouldn’t cheat on her.

What a load of crap, again your looking into something so much deeper than what it actually is.
I personally think mixed race birds are generally all better looking that white girls, if you way it up there are more ugly white birds than ugly mixed race birds. Skin, teeth, eyes, arse and ■■■■■ are more likely to be better on a mixed race bird between any mixed races white/black, white/Asian, black/Asian than that just from a white/white combination.

And I’m sure your theory about Latinas will be [zb] along the line somewhere, they have definitely got a bit of Afro in them somewhere from way back… And guess how, because people mixing their ethnicity together.

Your so wrong on many levels, I haven’t been fed anything at all. I’ve got black mates who go out and shag white girls as well as black girls, and the same goes with me. I can appreciate a good looking attractive human being regardless.

:open_mouth:

If,in your view,humans aren’t supposed to be monogamous,then how do you reach the conclusion that you would ever want to get married being that the two statements contradict each other :question: .

Make your mind up you’re saying it’s all about mixed race birds (in your view) looking a lot better than ethnic euro ones :open_mouth: but you’re also saying that you think the Afro girls are just as attractive to you and your Afro mates as our own girls are. :open_mouth: :confused:

What are you talking about :s I’ll get my shagging out of the way before I get married because when and if I do get married its because I will actually want to be with that girl and actually want to be faithful to her for the rest of my life… That’s what marriage is.

I said I think there are more ugly white girls than mixed raced girls but if someone is good looking then they are good looking regardless of what they are.
I also said that I can appreciate a good looking person.

So you wouldn’t even entertain Nicole Sherzinger if she was spread eagle dripping all over your bed just because she is German/Hawaiian/black and god knows what else?
You only like white girls and Latinas?

I was going by the statement in which you said ‘humans aren’t supposed to be monogamous’. :bulb:

You say you’ll ‘get your shagging out of the way before you get married’. :confused: That actually is what marriage is for :unamused: and as I said to kr if you don’t think that’s right then try telling any girl’s father that you’re only using his daughter, amongst others,as an unpaid ■■■■■■ until you find one who you want to marry and when you do find one who you might want to marry try telling her father that you’ll marry her when you’ve finished trying all the others.

If I had a daughter I think that I’d prefer it if she was with someone with my views than someone with your views concerning how to treat women regardless of the age thing. :bulb:

As for Nicole Sherzinger v one of our own.No contest it’s Wendy Hurrel who I’d rather spend the rest of my life with and Nicole Scherzinger could get the bus home and you can have her,assuming that I was lucky enough for both of them to be sitting waiting on the side of my bed saying which one do I want and in my case one being enough. :open_mouth: :smiling_imp: :smiley: Sadly it will never happen because she’s spoken for according to the ring on her finger.Lucky zb. :frowning:

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What!!! She looks like a right plain Jane, looks boring as hell as well. Yes please, give me Nicole any day.

Your completely missing the point, ■■■ is a part of knowing someone inside and out (excuse the pun) and its not them being an “unpaid ■■■■■■” at all, ■■■ is a natural physical emotion that happens when two people like each other.
Marriage is a serious commitment and a big deal so why shouldn’t you make sure it’s right before you settle down rather than settling with the first girl you meet at 16■■

And if you had a daughter you would be lucky to have a son in law like me :wink:
I’ve never once cheated on a girlfriend, and every girl I’ve met knows where she stands and it’s been the same the other way round as well, I’ve met a few girls that I actually quite liked a lot but for them it was just “play mates” and nothing serious, just two people that fancied each other and had a good laugh when they were together.
One thing I have learnt though, when a bird doesn’t want you they certainly don’t want no one else to have you either!!

If I’ve read it right you’d never have needed to cheat on any bird because they all had/have the same view of ‘monogamy’ as yours.So you’re saying that the only way to get the ‘right’ one is after shagging loads of ‘wrong’ ones first.The flaw in that plan is that it’s just as likely that you’ll run out of wrong ones before you find the right one because the right one was actually the bird that you overlooked and missed at the beginning when you started on wrong one number one. :open_mouth: :smiling_imp: :laughing:

But Wendy Hurrel boring plain jane and Nicole Scherzinger is better looking :open_mouth: .
If only the lucky zb who’s pulled Wendy Hurrel agreed with you in which case I might have sent a fix it request to the BBC weather centre before he’d had a chance to change his mind. :smiling_imp: :laughing:

No. It’s just when two people are in a relationship then they don’t cheat on each other (or shouldn’t cheat on each other).
If they are not in a relationship but having ■■■ then that’s just all it is as long as they both know where they stand.

And no I’m not saying the only way to find the right one is to get the wrong ones out of the way at all, but it’s a part of getting to know someone, there also a million other factors as to why a relationship with a person won’t work in the long run at a specific time in either of their lives.
And your wrong about the last bit about me overlooking the right one before, I don’t think that is possible anyway as if she was the “right” one at the right time I wouldn’t of let her go would I.
Those two pictures you put up, absolutely no contest Nicole is a right babe!!!

kr79:
I can’t help but imagine a loon pants and platform wearing teenage Carryfast and jimmy savvile having a scuffle on the set of top of the pops. Attacking each other with gitaurs and microphone stands with noddy holder trying to break it up.

I think it would have been a ‘bit’ more than just a ‘scuffle’ and it would have taken more than Noddy Holder to save the zb when I’d finished with him. :smiling_imp: :laughing:

But loons and platforms no this is what he’d have been facing ‘if’ the BBC had invited me but no surprise they didn’t seem to want me there for some reason. :smiling_imp: :wink:

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FarnboroughBoy11:
No. It’s just when two people are in a relationship then they don’t cheat on each other (or shouldn’t cheat on each other).
If they are not in a relationship but having ■■■ then that’s just all it is as long as they both know where they stand.

And no I’m not saying the only way to find the right one is to get the wrong ones out of the way at all, but it’s a part of getting to know someone, there also a million other factors as to why a relationship with a person won’t work in the long run at a specific time in either of their lives.
And your wrong about the last bit about me overlooking the right one before, I don’t think that is possible anyway as if she was the “right” one at the right time I wouldn’t of let her go would I.
Those two pictures you put up, absolutely no contest Nicole is a right babe!!!

There’s a contradiction contained in that idea because you seemed to be saying that going through loads on a casual basis is a prerequisite before it’s ever possible to find the right one.There’s also a contradiction in the idea that a lifelong marriage all depends on what happens at specific points in time.In which case every marriage would fall apart the first time that a couple end up having a big row about something and/or there’s a time limit over how long a marriage can last because the couple need to go through loads of casual ‘relationships’ first before settling down with someone later.

Which is just total bs used to justify the modern day outlooks in which monogamy is considered as just a side show with casual no strings ■■■ being the main agenda.Which as I’ve said explains a lot of the reasons as to how at least some of the victims in this case got themselves into the situation which they found themselves in and obviously now with hindsight regret.

But in my experience if they’re any good they’ll be spoken for in their mid teens and definitely by the time they’re in their 20’s.Which just leaves those type of girls which you described as ‘smashing the granny out of’ probably just as she’d had ‘the granny smashed out of her’ by loads of other blokes before you.

The question is was that all her fault or was it just a reflection of the morals and ideas of the blokes that she’d been unlucky enough to meet during her life and do you think that was what her parents had in mind for her,when they brought her into this world and ‘if’ you do ever eventually change your outlook and end up with a wife and a daughter of your own is that the type of path through life that you’d want for her :question: .Or would you prefer it if your daughter decided to settle down early with the first decent bloke with decent morals that she can find :question: .

As for Nicole Scherzinger v Wendy Hurrell as I’ve said if only every other bloke out there agreed with you in which case Wendy Hurrell would have been on the shelf with only me asking her for a date. :smiling_imp: :smiley:

so you reckon all the nice girls are spoken for when they are in their mid teens :laughing: :laughing: most girls of that age don`t know there arse from their elbow…which is why older guys should stay away.

Who would you rather have ■■■ with :question:
A virgin …
Or some lass who new what to do at the right time …
Give me the latter nowadays …

ps. aren’t all girls in there mid teens (or just over) nice?

raymundo:
ps. aren’t all girls in there mid teens (or just over) nice?

carryfast seems to think he can spot his requirements of woman…when they`re merely girls.he talks as though they are a commodity…which is probably why he has been so unsucessful in relationships :bulb:

commonrail:
so you reckon all the nice girls are spoken for when they are in their mid teens :laughing: :laughing: most girls of that age don`t know there arse from their elbow…which is why older guys should stay away.

Presumably,in your world,so all the younger blokes of their own age can get them instead :question: .Which,unlike the 1970’s,is exactly what happens in the majority of cases which is why I said that if they’re any good they’re spoken for often before they’re 20 and definitely long before their mid 20’s just like my mum was at the age of 19 and in the case of at least 3 other girls who I know of personally who were spoken for by their mid teens.One in a close age relationship and marriage and the two others in 30 + year age gap relationships and marriages.All of those marriages have lasted longer than many others (a lifetime in the case of my parents’ one) except for one of those large age gap ones in which he dumped her not her left him.But that’s nothing unusual even in marriages which involved couples who met later in life possibly even moreso.

Yeah right older blokes should stay away from mid teens girls just like Prince Charles and the establishment should have done in the case of Di Spencer and the middle aged bloke who got the mid teens girl of my own age who I wanted.I think you’re just reading my comments selectively instead of understanding that I’m seing the issue from both sides of the argument because I’ve experienced it and lost out to it on both sides of the argument remember. :unamused:

But the question is,assuming that it’s all supposed to be about teenaged girls,not knowing what they’re doing,then why are you saying that it’s only ‘older’ blokes that should stay away from them not ‘all’ blokes.In which case you’re obviously saying that their should be a pre disposition towards only same/close age relationships being allowed.Therefore,as I’ve said,it’s my bet that you’d have exactly the same issues in the case of a girl of 18 or even 20 being with any bloke,who in your view,is considered ‘too old’ for her regardless of what the actual law says. :unamused:

As I’ve said you’re just trying to hijack the issue of what happened to Savile’s and others’ victims to justify your own prejudice against all types of legal age gap relationships.Although,as I’ve also said,I can understand exactly where you’re coming from.So where the zb were those with your views now when I needed them back in the day then.No surprise probably out there with all the rest cheering the arranged ‘marriage’ between Prince Charles and Diana Spencer who the establishment had earmarked before she was even 16. :imp: :unamused:

commonrail:

raymundo:
ps. aren’t all girls in there mid teens (or just over) nice?

carryfast seems to think he can spot his requirements of woman…when they`re merely girls.he talks as though they are a commodity…which is probably why he has been so unsucessful in relationships :bulb:

That would depend on wether any parent would prefer loads of blokes like Farnborough Boy etc to ‘smash the granny’ out their daughter during her younger years or find a bloke like me who’d treat her right.As I’ve said I think I’d prefer my daughter to be in a happy large age gap marriage,like the one between Joe and Nicola Philpot,than to end up being treated like an unpaid ■■■■■■ on the casual ■■■ merry go round regardless of the age of the blokes who’s she’s doing it with.:unamused:

raymundo:
Who would you rather have ■■■ with :question:
A virgin …
Or some lass who new what to do at the right time …
Give me the latter nowadays …

ps. aren’t all girls in there mid teens (or just over) nice?

By that logic I’d be better off with one of Savile’s victims of my own age now than a ‘just over’ mid teens nice one in an age gap marriage of the type which Prince Charles was given.The difference is I’d make sure that I loved her before going any further.Just as I would have done with one of those girls of my own age ‘if’ they’d have preferred to give me a chance instead of Savile or an ageing pop star at the time. :bulb: :unamused:

Carry you old perv do you never get bored of writing the same thing over and over again in every post you make? And do you still not know how to delete when quoting other posts?

Give my regards to your chums the Philpots.

switchlogic:
Carry you old perv do you never get bored of writing the same thing over and over again in every post you make? And do you still not know how to delete when quoting other posts?

Give my regards to your chums the Philpots.

As far as I know the Philpots are still legally together in a normal heterosexual marriage with kids born naturally out of same. :laughing:

Although it’s obvious as to why the BBC would have issues about that in East Enders storylines today just as they would probably have done on TOTP in the 1970’s. :open_mouth: :smiling_imp:

Carryfast … I have young daughters and if any of them said they were getting it on with you (being of an elder personage) I would sell them first into white slavery elsewhere :wink:
What is that man on ? let me know so I can stay away from it please.

raymundo:
Carryfast … I have young daughters and if any of them said they were getting it on with you (being of an elder personage) I would sell them first into white slavery elsewhere :wink:
What is that man on ? let me know so I can stay away from it please.

I wouldn’t be at all surprised if that would have also applied regardless of the age of my ‘personage’ just as I remember when another girl’s father told me I wouldn’t be good enough for his daughter because I was a truck driver not because I was too old for her.No you can keep them and let all those blokes out there like Farnborough Boy have them instead and maybe they’ll let you know which one of them they liked best after they’ve tried out every other father’s daughter in the land. :unamused:

Although having said that don’t forget at the age of 18 they can actually marry whoever they want just like they can be with whoever they want at the age of 16 so those white slavers don’t always win depending on how much bottle a girl has got in telling her father to zb off and mind his own business because she can be with whoever she wants to be with regardless of age at those ages.As for me she’d have to be someone very special and worth all the trouble because I’ve always preferred a peaceful life and I really don’t need all the aggravation.

Although,as I’ve said,that might have been different if I’d have had the chance to ‘argue’ with Savile about who got one of those girls on TOTP or at Duncroft during the 1970’s.In which case I’d bet her father would still have advised her that she’d be better off hanging around Savile and co to keep her away from me. :smiling_imp: :wink:

regarding your last paragraph … after reading your posts … :unamused: you could be correct there !!

raymundo:
regarding your last paragraph … after reading your posts … :unamused: you could be correct there !!

:open_mouth: That says it all.

So exactly what’s the problem which you seem to have with any of my posts which would justify such a view :question: .

The fact is I know I’m probably correct there.Just not for the reasons which you seem to think.Experience tells me that many fathers aren’t always as bright as they’d like to think they are in knowing what is best and/or who would make a decent partner for their daughters. :unamused: :frowning:

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Or maybe in that case he was but didn’t have the ability or the bottle to stand up to the establishment and turn her around and walk away. :frowning:

Carryfast:

FarnboroughBoy11:
No. It’s just when two people are in a relationship then they don’t cheat on each other (or shouldn’t cheat on each other).
If they are not in a relationship but having ■■■ then that’s just all it is as long as they both know where they stand.

And no I’m not saying the only way to find the right one is to get the wrong ones out of the way at all, but it’s a part of getting to know someone, there also a million other factors as to why a relationship with a person won’t work in the long run at a specific time in either of their lives.
And your wrong about the last bit about me overlooking the right one before, I don’t think that is possible anyway as if she was the “right” one at the right time I wouldn’t of let her go would I.
Those two pictures you put up, absolutely no contest Nicole is a right babe!!!

There’s a contradiction contained in that idea because you seemed to be saying that going through loads on a casual basis is a prerequisite before it’s ever possible to find the right one.There’s also a contradiction in the idea that a lifelong marriage all depends on what happens at specific points in time.In which case every marriage would fall apart the first time that a couple end up having a big row about something and/or there’s a time limit over how long a marriage can last because the couple need to go through loads of casual ‘relationships’ first before settling down with someone later.

Which is just total bs used to justify the modern day outlooks in which monogamy is considered as just a side show with casual no strings ■■■ being the main agenda.Which as I’ve said explains a lot of the reasons as to how at least some of the victims in this case got themselves into the situation which they found themselves in and obviously now with hindsight regret.

But in my experience if they’re any good they’ll be spoken for in their mid teens and definitely by the time they’re in their 20’s.Which just leaves those type of girls which you described as ‘smashing the granny out of’ probably just as she’d had ‘the granny smashed out of her’ by loads of other blokes before you.

The question is was that all her fault or was it just a reflection of the morals and ideas of the blokes that she’d been unlucky enough to meet during her life and do you think that was what her parents had in mind for her,when they brought her into this world and ‘if’ you do ever eventually change your outlook and end up with a wife and a daughter of your own is that the type of path through life that you’d want for her :question: .Or would you prefer it if your daughter decided to settle down early with the first decent bloke with decent morals that she can find :question: .

No. There’s no contradiction. I meant timing as in before two people get married. Work, travels, living together first to see if you can actually be under the same roof etc etc

Your second paragraph there is complete bollox. They didn’t go to meet saville or glitter to get raped and mollested on purpose!! Casual ■■■ has nothing to do with being in the company of at the time 2 unknown nonses.

Your last paragraph, the bit at the end.
First decent bloke with decent morals, how ever are you going to truly know until you properly get to know someone? You can’t just say “I’m 18 your 18” lets get married, you seem alright.

Carryfast - your looking at it in a crude way with regards to me “trying out everyone’s daughters” and goading
Common rail and Raymundo into what would they prefer for their daughters :s

If two people are physically attracted to each other, why shouldn’t they have a ■■■■■■ relationship before marriage or even when neither of the two has any intentions of marriage yet.

I think I see marriage as a bigger deal than you do, you come across as someone who just wants to slap a ring on the finger of the first 16 year old (or younger) virgin you meet regardless of what she actually wants and regardless of love and interests and understandings. God forbid that did actually happen, you would have her chained to the kitchen and wouldn’t let her go out socialising and clubbing with her mates.

FarnboroughBoy11:
Carryfast - your looking at it in a crude way with regards to me “trying out everyone’s daughters” and goading
Common rail and Raymundo into what would they prefer for their daughters :s

If two people are physically attracted to each other, why shouldn’t they have a ■■■■■■ relationship before marriage or even when neither of the two has any intentions of marriage yet.

I think I see marriage as a bigger deal than you do, you come across as someone who just wants to slap a ring on the finger of the first 16 year old (or younger) virgin you meet regardless of what she actually wants and regardless of love and interests and understandings. God forbid that did actually happen, you would have her chained to the kitchen and wouldn’t let her go out socialising and clubbing with her mates.

No it just comes down to the simple question of who got the better deal and better relationship/marriage in life.Nicola Philpot or her fellow Essex girl who was unlucky enough to only know a life in which she was obviously one of many who ‘had the granny smashed out of her’ by you and others in the casual ■■■ scene,or for that matter any of those teenaged girls on TOTP and at Duncroft who are the subject of the Savile and others file.

As for just slapping a ring on a girl’s finger no I think you’ve missed the bit out where I said that I’d need to make sure that I loved the girl and she loved me first which is what an engagement ring,not a wedding ring,is all about.However that doesn’t take years of ‘living together’ to find out and it also doesn’t mean going through loads,based on the flawed idea,that you’ll only know the right one after shagging loads of wrong ones,on a casual no string basis.While contrary to your view it’s that bs casual ■■■ scene that you’re so keen to defend that,when mixed with the groupy culture of the 1970’s,obviously put too many of those 1970’s girls in harm’s way.While at the same time taking them off the menu for blokes who think like me.

As for the ‘clubbing’ scene I think it all comes down to the same thing in the end and the best girls who make the best marriage material know that the ‘clubbing’ scene is all about them looking for a husband amongst the decent blokes who are looking to settle down with a good wife sooner rather than later.While obviously in too many cases these days it’s more likely to be a case of loads of career girls looking for a casual bang with as many blokes as they can find who are looking for the same thing for as long as possible into their 20’s.

Which is,in general,what seperates the ‘clubbing’ scene and the girls in Italy from their British equivalent.It’s just a shame that by the 1980’s I was too old,even in my 20’s,let alone middle age,and let alone being in the wrong ethnic group,to be able to pull one of the (many),average young single Italian girls,who were looking for a husband,not a casual shag,at the average Italian venue.That’s because just as was/is the case here the best girls are usually all spoken for by their 20’s although the Italian scene often involved/s the issue of arranged marriages.Which ironically is something like what Charles having met Diana Spencer at a venue during the mid- late 1970’s would have been like with the difference in that case that she’d have been reserved for a bloke of her closer to her own age like me instead of an old pushing 30’s bloke like him.:imp: :unamused:

FarnboroughBoy11:

Carryfast:

FarnboroughBoy11:
No. It’s just when two people are in a relationship then they don’t cheat on each other (or shouldn’t cheat on each other).
If they are not in a relationship but having ■■■ then that’s just all it is as long as they both know where they stand.

And no I’m not saying the only way to find the right one is to get the wrong ones out of the way at all, but it’s a part of getting to know someone, there also a million other factors as to why a relationship with a person won’t work in the long run at a specific time in either of their lives.
And your wrong about the last bit about me overlooking the right one before, I don’t think that is possible anyway as if she was the “right” one at the right time I wouldn’t of let her go would I.
Those two pictures you put up, absolutely no contest Nicole is a right babe!!!

There’s a contradiction contained in that idea because you seemed to be saying that going through loads on a casual basis is a prerequisite before it’s ever possible to find the right one.There’s also a contradiction in the idea that a lifelong marriage all depends on what happens at specific points in time.In which case every marriage would fall apart the first time that a couple end up having a big row about something and/or there’s a time limit over how long a marriage can last because the couple need to go through loads of casual ‘relationships’ first before settling down with someone later.

Which is just total bs used to justify the modern day outlooks in which monogamy is considered as just a side show with casual no strings ■■■ being the main agenda.Which as I’ve said explains a lot of the reasons as to how at least some of the victims in this case got themselves into the situation which they found themselves in and obviously now with hindsight regret.

But in my experience if they’re any good they’ll be spoken for in their mid teens and definitely by the time they’re in their 20’s.Which just leaves those type of girls which you described as ‘smashing the granny out of’ probably just as she’d had ‘the granny smashed out of her’ by loads of other blokes before you.

The question is was that all her fault or was it just a reflection of the morals and ideas of the blokes that she’d been unlucky enough to meet during her life and do you think that was what her parents had in mind for her,when they brought her into this world and ‘if’ you do ever eventually change your outlook and end up with a wife and a daughter of your own is that the type of path through life that you’d want for her :question: .Or would you prefer it if your daughter decided to settle down early with the first decent bloke with decent morals that she can find :question: .

Your second paragraph there is complete bollox. They didn’t go to meet saville or glitter to get raped and mollested on purpose!! Casual ■■■ has nothing to do with being in the company of at the time 2 unknown nonses.

The way I saw it at the time and as confirmed by the old video footage was that they certainly were in the company of Savile and ‘others’ by choice and what happened to them was more a case of statutory ■■■■ because they were under age not a case of them fighting back on camera or being dragged kicking and screaming backstage against their will.

And that includes the example of Coleen Nolan being got at by Savile on camera in preferance to staying offstage with any of the (very) few blokes of her own age who’d been invited to be there which would have included me ‘if’ the BBC had invited me.So maybe she’d like to come on here and tell me honestly that I’m wrong about all that. :unamused: