For all the talk about “speaking English”, none of you lot appear to have even read the advert. It says - literally - that “English must be on a communicative level”. To translate that into real world English, it means you need to be able to read, write and speak on at least an intermediate level. They’re not hiring people that can’t speak the language. Incidentally, some of you lot could do with learning Polish - you’d be surprised how useful it actually is in the real world. I can go to the Czech Republic, Slovakia, Ukraine, Croatia, Serbia, Bosnia, Slovenia and more and communicate with the locals without much difficulty. And I’m not a native speaker of Polish…
delphian-domine:
For all the talk about “speaking English”, none of you lot appear to have even read the advert. It says - literally - that “English must be on a communicative level”. To translate that into real world English, it means you need to be able to read, write and speak on at least an intermediate level. They’re not hiring people that can’t speak the language. Incidentally, some of you lot could do with learning Polish - you’d be surprised how useful it actually is in the real world. I can go to the Czech Republic, Slovakia, Ukraine, Croatia, Serbia, Bosnia, Slovenia and more and communicate with the locals without much difficulty. And I’m not a native speaker of Polish…
So why the need to put the ad in Polish.The fact is there’s no way that most people would be able to learn enough of all the different European and Eastern European languages to cover Scandinavia to Greece or France to Russia.At least unless they are specially gifted in language skills.From here you’ll also need to be conversant in at least German as well as slavic to meet your criterea for example.While as everyone knows English is just about one of the,if not the,easiest languages to learn.Unfortunately for the indigenous workforce.
yoyo5:
stevieboy308:
Just because they can’t read, doesn’t mean they can’t speak!Sorry Mate but I can see a massive problem there, not being able to read then how do they follow written instructions.
well sed when i was at ak transport on tankers we loaded out of a tank farm at kemsley waist fire drill one day 
thay ad to go back for polish driver who was standing by the bloody fire drill sighn not a clue what was going on and yes he was baned off site
wirksworth rod:
yoyo5:
stevieboy308:
Just because they can’t read, doesn’t mean they can’t speak!Sorry Mate but I can see a massive problem there, not being able to read then how do they follow written instructions.
well sed when i was at ak transport on tankers we loaded out of a tank farm at kemsley waist fire drill one day
Better stop all international transport then, unless you can pass a written and oral exam at every border!!
I’m sure it’s happened, but I can’t think of a time that I’ve had written instructions other than addresses and the order to do the drops, maybe stuff like ring when on site, or an hour before you turn up. But over the years most of my instructions will have been given over the phone, how I scribbled them down doesn’t matter, solong as stuff goes from where it is, to where it wants to be!
Plus you soon learn your industry specifics, road closed, low bridge ahead etc
bagz:
A bit off topic but, didn’t NEXT advertise warehouse jobs in Poland before advertising them over here??
Transline/ND did it for Asos apparently.
Just a thought.
Isn’t that why pictograms are used for most road/safety/info signs? Less chance that things will go wrong?
Just my observations!
I think some of you have lost the plot on this thread.
The reason to post it in the first place was to ASK why they had to advertise for Drivers written in POLISH. UNLESS they were trying to TARGET POLISH drivers, THEN why would you Target POLISH drivers IF their were Qualified British drivers who can do the Job ? The only Answer to that is that THEY must be CHEAPER to employ or it would not make any sense to employ somebody who cannot read ENGLISH and only speak limited ENGLISH. So the reason for this thread is hopefully to get an answer to this.
i would be as previously said amazed if they earn any less, i would say it is more down to the fact that poles have a reputation for working hard and not moaning.
where as the good old fashioned brit driver well just see 90% of threads on here. its still wrong to me either way, but i dont buy the they are cheaper argument.
yoyo5:
I think some of you have lost the plot on this thread.
The reason to post it in the first place was to ASK why they had to advertise for Drivers written in POLISH. UNLESS they were trying to TARGET POLISH drivers, THEN why would you Target POLISH drivers IF their were Qualified British drivers who can do the Job ? The only Answer to that is that THEY must be CHEAPER to employ or it would not make any sense to employ somebody who cannot read ENGLISH and only speak limited ENGLISH. So the reason for this thread is hopefully to get an answer to this.
As I’ve said the whole economy is geared towards the idea of using immigrant labour from less developed parts of the world where wage expectations are far less and that has applied here since at least/mostly since the end of WW2.The reason for that isn’t to literally undercut the indigenous workforce.The plan is to over supply the labour market thereby artificially ‘holding’ wage levels down to a level lower than they would otherwise be across the board in whatever range of jobs that immigrant labour can be employed in.
IE the plan is nothing new and it would be a red herring to suggest that it is about using immigrant labour to actually ‘undercut’ the indigenous workforce being that in most cases the minimum wage is as low as it can get for all.In this case taking advantage of the free movement of labour in the form of the new accession east Euro countries is just another ongoing part of that.While the laws of supply and demand say that the minimum wage would actually be a lot higher and probably wouldn’t even be needed anyway ‘if’ we closed our doors to all further immigration.Also bearing in mind that the minimum wage isn’t a living wage.
Which then leaves the question of what happens to all the imigration that we’ve already got,including those born here on a definition of nationality based on jus soli as opposed to jus sanguinis.In this case even UKIP doesn’t seem to have the bottle to make a start on dealing with ‘that’ issue.
While the issues also show the hopeless loss of the union movement to socialism in the contradiction between its support of current immigration policy while at the same time campaigning for a so called ‘living wage’.To the point of historically supporting a situation in which the indigenous workforce don’t get first refusal of indigenous jobs and/or even a situation of reverse racial discrimination against the indigenous workforce in favour of immigrant labour in order to cater for the left’s aims of so called ethnic ‘diversity’. 
All that notwithstanding the next elephant in the room in the form of the lifting of cabotage restrictions.In which case 'that’s when the issues really would turn into one of undercutting and flagging out just as our merchant shipping labour market went.
war1974:
i would be as previously said amazed if they earn any less, i would say it is more down to the fact that poles have a reputation for working hard and not moaning.where as the good old fashioned brit driver well just see 90% of threads on here. its still wrong to me either way, but i dont buy the they are cheaper argument.
They are ‘cheaper’ in the sense that they are from underdeveloped parts of Europe where wage ‘expectations’ are lower.IE,unlike the indigenous workforce of the 1970’s for example,there’s probably no way that east Euros would strike for a massive increase in UK wage levels because as far as they are concerned they are more than good enough.Which I suspect is what you ‘might’ have been referring to in the case of the inference that the indigenous workforce isn’t as ‘hard working’ as immigrants.
When the fact is,at least until the 1980’s,the indigenous workforce were actually up for the heroic combination of being able to do more work with less investment while ‘also’ fighting to maintain wage levels and therefore the spending power needed to keep a developed modern economy moving.Unlike their Polish etc east Euro downtrodden often Communist counterparts.Or the Thatcherite economy brainwashed generations here that followed.
yoyo5:
I think some of you have lost the plot on this thread.
The reason to post it in the first place was to ASK why they had to advertise for Drivers written in POLISH. UNLESS they were trying to TARGET POLISH drivers, THEN why would you Target POLISH drivers IF their were Qualified British drivers who can do the Job ? The only Answer to that is that THEY must be CHEAPER to employ or it would not make any sense to employ somebody who cannot read ENGLISH and only speak limited ENGLISH. So the reason for this thread is hopefully to get an answer to this.
If there’s a significant number of polish drivers in the local pool of drivers, then if you were recruiting, it would make sense to do it in that language too!
And of course the big influx of polish / EE workers has had an impact on wages, but I’d be surprised if many are earning less than their UK colleges on the same work at the same firms
to many immingrant have more money ,pay more tax than some people who born here.drivers wages go down not because Polish drivers start work here.Polish,Latvian or any another fill vacancy ,where for some reason local people don t want work.just please note who lazy people live at any country.if people want better life he first must start think and change self.
Andrejs:
to many immingrant have more money ,pay more tax than some people who born here.drivers wages go down not because Polish drivers start work here.Polish,Latvian or any another fill vacancy ,where for some reason local people don t want work.just please note who lazy people live at any country.if people want better life he first must start think and change self.
So are you claiming zero unemployment and a labour market for drivers here where demand exceeds supply of those looking for work.Bearing in mind that Jobseekers Allowance conditions wouldn’t allow for that situation.
Carryfast:
Andrejs:
to many immingrant have more money ,pay more tax than some people who born here.drivers wages go down not because Polish drivers start work here.Polish,Latvian or any another fill vacancy ,where for some reason local people don t want work.just please note who lazy people live at any country.if people want better life he first must start think and change self.So are you claiming zero unemployment and a labour market for drivers here where demand exceeds supply of those looking for work.Bearing in mind that Jobseekers Allowance conditions wouldn’t allow for that situation.
Sorry Carryfast but I think you would be better off spouting all your political garbage somewhere else, because Garbage is what it is, perhaps you should send all this info to the socialist leadership that may explain to them how they Bankrupt this country and how they could avoid it if we are unlucky enough to ever have them back in power.
yoyo5:
Carryfast:
Andrejs:
to many immingrant have more money ,pay more tax than some people who born here.drivers wages go down not because Polish drivers start work here.Polish,Latvian or any another fill vacancy ,where for some reason local people don t want work.just please note who lazy people live at any country.if people want better life he first must start think and change self.So are you claiming zero unemployment and a labour market for drivers here where demand exceeds supply of those looking for work.Bearing in mind that Jobseekers Allowance conditions wouldn’t allow for that situation.
Sorry Carryfast but I think you would be better off spouting all your political garbage somewhere else, because Garbage is what it is, perhaps you should send all this info to the socialist leadership that may explain to them how they Bankrupt this country and how they could avoid it if we are unlucky enough to ever have them back in power.
You obviously don’t seem to have a clue as to the definition of a socialist.I thought that you were the one who was complaining about our cheap labour based economy.
Good luck if you think that Thatcherism is the answer to that.Just as socialism isn’t and being that there is more that unites the two ideologies than divides them.Which is why the Chinese Communist Party have done much better out of Thatcherism and her global free market economics than we ever have or will.
Andrejs:
Polish,Latvian or any another fill vacancy ,where for some reason local people don t want work.
There is nowhere in the UK where local people “don’t want work”, and where local farmers and factory owners have been saved by hard-working eastern Europeans stepping in to fill the void.
There are plenty of places in the UK where wages no longer cover the cost of rent and other living costs, due to the influx of eastern European labour.
EU membership is and has always been the most enormous con-trick, played on the working-class by the ruling class. Mrs Thatcher must have licked her lips and salivated when she first noticed the army of cheap labour just across the River Oder, and Messrs Blair and Brown just picked up her baton and ran with it.
I do understand yours embarrassment and anger but there is a sentence that says “good communication skills in spoken and written English” , I know that is crazy put advert in Polish and add sentence with good communication silks but I cant believe that they will take the lad without assessment and interview in English…
I know couple of Polish driver who worked in England for couple of years and they don’t even know basic words in English ( I don’t know how they work everyday :-/) and its annoy me because when we come to UK we ( yes - I am Polish) want to work in UK we must learn English! so the same situation if English lads will come to Poland to work ( I know it never happen) they must learn Polish - simple.
scmww:
I cant believe that they will take the lad without assessment and interview in English…
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I think you’re correct. Also the job adverts are in English too. If i had to guess i’d say it was written out in Polish to let them know Polish workers are welcome to apply.
Harry Monk:
EU membership is and has always been the most enormous con-trick, played on the working-class by the ruling class. Mrs Thatcher must have licked her lips and salivated when she first noticed the army of cheap labour just across the River Oder, and Messrs Blair and Brown just picked up her baton and ran with it.
To be fair our illustrious leaders are really just puppets and mouthpieces of the CBI.Those that aren’t happy to go along with that agenda usually get chewed up and spat out by the establishment media bombardment against them if they are seen to be getting even close to any form of power.Farage will probably go the same way as Powell and Shore before him in that regard. 
