explorer1234:
Health and Safety Executive say on their website.
After 6 hrs a worker must take 20 mins. 30mins for 16 to18s.
That meets the general WTD requirement but that’s not what we work to.
Why don’ t they all sing from the same sheet?
Its so confusing, this one says this ie H&S E, another one says something different etc .
At approx £8.50 per hour which is only a couple quid a 
bove the legal min,what do these people expect drivers to be Uni/Law Grad’s … 
Sorry for the gripe
explorer1234:
Health and Safety Executive say on their website.
After 6 hrs a worker must take 20 mins. 30mins for 16 to18s.
I have seen the words entitled and should but no MUST on sites referring to the WTD so please supply the link to where it says MUST - thank you
Sorry, I should have said "entitled ".
explorer1234:
Why don’ t they all sing from the same sheet?Its so confusing, this one says this ie H&S E, another one says something different etc .
At approx £8.50 per hour which is only a couple quid a
Sorry for the gripe
We work to the Road Transport version of the WTD. Our version has been modified slightly from the standard WTD, to take account of our Drivers Hours and Tachograph Regulations.
Therefore, as tachograph rules say 15 minutes, WTD(RT) says 15 minutes.
If you had looked at the Road Transport Regulations, instead of the standard regulations, you would have nothing to be confused about. Forget the standard WT Regs, they don’t apply to truck drivers.
2005 No. 639
TRANSPORT
The Road Transport (Working Time) Regulations 2005Breaks
(1) No mobile worker shall work for more than six hours without a break.
(2) Where a mobile worker’s working time exceeds six hours but does not exceed nine hours, the worker shall be entitled to a break lasting at least 30 minutes and interrupting that time.
(3) Where a mobile worker’s working time exceeds nine hours, the worker shall be entitled to a break lasting at least 45 minutes and interrupting that period.
(4) Each break may be made up of separate periods of not less than 15 minutes each…
(5) An employer shall take all reasonable steps, in keeping with the need to protect the health and safety of the mobile worker, to ensure that the limits specified above are complied with in the case of each mobile worker employed by him.
This might help you a bit.
A break is 15 minutes or more (rule 4)
You are required to take a break at or before 6 hours work (rule 1, see rule 4)
If you are going to be working for more than 6 hours but less than 9 hours, you are entitled to 30 minutes break (rule 2)
If you are going to be working for more than 9 hours, you are entitled to 45 minutes break (rule 3)
Your employer has to ensure you comply with these rules (rule 5)
Many “trainers” and some employers choose to interpret these rules to say you must take a 30 minute break at or before 6 hours of work.
A break is a break. If you take a break for tachograph hours rules reasons, which by definition will be 15 minutes or more, then you have also had a break which complies with WTD regs. If you take a break for WTD reasons, then that is also counted as break by tacho rules.
Elsewhere in the regs it explains that time spent on break or poa does not count as work.
Only driving or other work count as work.
ROG:
scanny77:
there is still an argument over whether its 15 or 30 minutes.No argument for 6 hours of work - 15 min is the law & anything over that is company policy = very simple
Were does it say its the law Rog, it not the law, the regs say 30 minutes but can be split in to 15 minutes periods, you don’t have to take 15 you can take an hour if you want you could even take two,(if you can get away with that ). 
delboytwo:
ROG:
scanny77:
there is still an argument over whether its 15 or 30 minutes.No argument for 6 hours of work - 15 min is the law & anything over that is company policy = very simple
Were does it say its the law Rog, it not the law, the regs say 30 minutes but can be split in to 15 minutes periods, you don’t have to take 15 you can take an hour if you want you could even take two,(if you can get away with that ).
The issue has always been on - what is the minimum break - so the legal answer to that is 15 mins
ROG:
delboytwo:
ROG:
scanny77:
there is still an argument over whether its 15 or 30 minutes.No argument for 6 hours of work - 15 min is the law & anything over that is company policy = very simple
Were does it say its the law Rog, it not the law, the regs say 30 minutes but can be split in to 15 minutes periods, you don’t have to take 15 you can take an hour if you want you could even take two,(if you can get away with that ).
The issue has always been on - what is the minimum break - so the legal answer to that is 15 mins
Your wrong Rog,
the minimum break after 6 hours is 30 the minimum break after 9 hours is 45
(2) Where a mobile worker’s working time exceeds six hours but does not exceed nine hours, the worker shall be entitled to a break lasting at least 30 minutes and interrupting that time.
you can split the break into 15 minutes periods if you so desire
(4) Each break may be made up of separate periods of not less than 15 minutes each
the bit in red says it all may be, not as to be.
The issue has always been on - what is the minimum break - so the legal answer to that is 15 mins
What you have said is misleading and in accurate, you do not state what the total break is and when it must be completed before end of shift the total break is 30 if between 6-9 hours of work or 45 minutes if over 9 hours work, you answer is just what you can take but you keep missing the point and that’s why i keep trying to tell you give the right answer.
look at this
Driver works for firm, reads forum, Rog on there’s says its 15 minutes boss, yes that’s right but what about the other 15 minutes you should of took before the end of your shift, boss tells him i say take 30 minutes i pay you not someone a forum you take 30 minutes
ask yourself this Rog
if you work for 6 hours 32 minutes( you go home then) in a day and no POA and only 1 hours driving was done how much break is required and when can you take it.
my answer is about 1 hour after starting, and any time before 6 hours is up and i take 30 minutes i would not split it as there no point, why have to 15 minutes when you can have 30 minutes and therefore not forget to have the other 15 minutes.
Which issue do you want to discuss?
The minimum break for 6 hours of work
or
The total amount of break needed for a shift
The two are seperate issues but linked together
There the same issue.
ROG:
Which issue do you want to discuss?The minimum break for 6 hours of work
30 minutes
or
The total amount of break needed for a shift30 minutes if 6-9 hours
45 minutes over 9 hours
The two are seperate issues but linked together
the 15 minutes, is a option, a choice, if you want to, not a requirement, not law, the law is 30 minutes or 45 minutes. before end of duty
ask you a question and you mite get my point
i have got a 7 hour day tomorrow how much RTD break will need to have and when can i take it, and can it be split up in to segments, and how long as each to be, and is there a requirement to split it up into segmentes. been told its 2 hours driving rest will be work no POA.
delboytwo:
There the same issue.
No they are not and until you see that then this goes nowhere
A driver must not exceed 6 hours of work without taking the minimum requirement of 15 mins
A driver must take a total of break(s) for the length of work done in a shift which in the case of working between 6 & 9 hours in a shift is 30 mins
Two seperate rules which are linked together
If the work in a shift totals 6 hrs and 1 min then the driver can either take 2 x 15 or 1 x 30 during that time or leave it as late as doing 1 x 30 at the 6 hour point which leaves 1 min to work before going home - in that senario a single 15 cannot be taken at the 6 hour point because the second 15 would not fit as well - thats logical reasoning
ask you a question and you mite get my point
i have got a 7 hour day tomorrow how much RTD break will need to have and when can i take it, and can it be split up in to segments, and how long as each to be, and is there a requirement to split it up into segmentes. been told its 2 hours driving rest will be work no POA.
You will need a total of 30 mins for the work done in the shift so that means during that 7 hours you will only be driving/working for a max of 6.5 hours
You could take 15 mins at the 6 hour point then do 15 mins drive/work then take the other 15 mins break leaving you 15 mins drive/work before going home
or
you can take a 15 at the 4 hour point for example and another 15 at any other point in the shift as long as it is not right at the end of it
or
take 30 mins at any point but see next sentence
What cannot happen is for more than 6 hours of work in that shift to be done without at least a 15 min break
dunno why we bother with this because its only certain companies who seem to care about it - the authorities are not interested
ROG:
dunno why we bother with this because its only certain companies who seem to care about it - the authorities are not interested
According to VOSA they …Investigate all cases where there has been a breach [of the RT WT]
that was the case in 2009 anyway.
Mike-C:
ROG:
dunno why we bother with this because its only certain companies who seem to care about it - the authorities are not interestedAccording to VOSA they …Investigate all cases where there has been a breach [of the RT WT]
that was the case in 2009 anyway.
I like the way they put policy so as to appease the EU 
ROG:
Mike-C:
ROG:
dunno why we bother with this because its only certain companies who seem to care about it - the authorities are not interestedAccording to VOSA they …Investigate all cases where there has been a breach [of the RT WT]
that was the case in 2009 anyway.I like the way they put policy so as to appease the EU
Wasn’t you recently warned on another forum about leading people to believe that compliances of the RT(WT)R doesn’t matter ROG ?
tachograph:
Wasn’t you recently warned on another forum about leading people to believe that compliances of the RT(WT)R doesn’t matter ROG ?
That forum has now decided not to commit to that until they get an answer from the DfT/VOSA (which I already verbally got some time ago)
That aside … what is the actual reality of the current situation which has been this way for years?
I think there was a post from a spanish driver some years ago who said - what WTD - they dont bother with it
I wonder how many other countries have done the same as the UK which is to comply with the directive so they do not get fined but in reality do nothing about it ?
ROG:
tachograph:
Wasn’t you recently warned on another forum about leading people to believe that compliances of the RT(WT)R doesn’t matter ROG ?That forum has now decided not to commit to that until they get an answer from the DfT/VOSA (which I already verbally got some time ago)
If you’re saying that the DFT and VOSA have verbally told you that drivers can ignore the working time regulations, perhaps you could give us the names of these people then after checking we can all forget about the WTD ?
Do you seriously believe that either the police or VOSA are going to write and say it’s OK to ignore the working time regulations ?
That aside … what is the actual reality of the current situation which has been this way for years?
The reality of the situation that you apparently choose to ignore is that drivers can lose their jobs for none compliance of the RT(WT)R and if in an accident or if the company has their records checked none compliance of the WTD can be prosecuted.
I think there was a post from a spanish driver some years ago who said - what WTD - they dont bother with it
OK so some Spanish bloke said “what WTD” and on that you conclude that the WTD can be ignored without fear of any consequences, ffs get real, if we believed everything that’s posted in forums we’d be believing all kinds of ridiculous stuff.
Apart from that what has Spain got to do with what happens in the UK or on these forums
I wonder how many other countries have done the same as the UK which is to comply with the directive so they do not get fined but in reality do nothing about it ?
I’ve no idea to the answer to that question and neither do you apparently, perhaps you should ask the Spanish bloke.
…
Try asking the CPS if they will be interested in the RTD WTD - you might be surprised by the answer