I started work at 00:00 last night. I had over an hour waiting for my load, but didn’t use POA. I did two deliveries and was held up at both, again not using POA for the waiting time. I returned back at the depot at 06:15 after doing around 2.5 hours driving. I had forgotten that I was due a 30 minute break at 06:00 and didn’t take my break until 06:30. Would it be possible to avoid an infringement by doing a printout and explaining that I had forgotten to change the tachograph mode to POA while I was waiting for my load? That would mean I wouldn’t of needed to take my break until after 07:00.
You only need a 15 minute break after 6 hours work not 30 minutes.
And yes just do a printout explaining the situation however working time directive infringements are not nearly as bad as driving time infringements so don’t let it worry you. And if its a rare occurrence vosa wouldn’t even bat an eye lid.
I have gone over 6 hours a fair few times in the past, never lost any sleep over it or been questioned. Depends what company you work for, some are more fussed than others.
Am I right in thinking there are no recorded incidents of fines/prosecutions of drivers for WTD infringments?
I started work at 00:00 last night. I had over an hour waiting for my load, but didn’t use POA. I did two deliveries and was held up at both, again not using POA for the waiting time. I returned back at the depot at 06:15 after doing around 2.5 hours driving. I had forgotten that I was due a 30 minute break at 06:00 and didn’t take my break until 06:30. Would it be possible to avoid an infringement by doing a printout and explaining that I had forgotten to change the tachograph mode to POA while I was waiting for my load? That would mean I wouldn’t of needed to take my break until after 07:00.
Thanks.
Neil.
Use rest mode anyway, POA can only be used if you are told how long your wait is going to be.
I started work at 00:00 last night. I had over an hour waiting for my load, but didn’t use POA. I did two deliveries and was held up at both, again not using POA for the waiting time. I returned back at the depot at 06:15 after doing around 2.5 hours driving. I had forgotten that I was due a 30 minute break at 06:00 and didn’t take my break until 06:30. Would it be possible to avoid an infringement by doing a printout and explaining that I had forgotten to change the tachograph mode to POA while I was waiting for my load? That would mean I wouldn’t of needed to take my break until after 07:00.
Thanks.
Neil.
have a cuppa and relax dude they havent jailed anybody for it yet
I started work at 00:00 last night. I had over an hour waiting for my load, but didn’t use POA. I did two deliveries and was held up at both, again not using POA for the waiting time. I returned back at the depot at 06:15 after doing around 2.5 hours driving. I had forgotten that I was due a 30 minute break at 06:00 and didn’t take my break until 06:30. Would it be possible to avoid an infringement by doing a printout and explaining that I had forgotten to change the tachograph mode to POA while I was waiting for my load? That would mean I wouldn’t of needed to take my break until after 07:00.
Thanks.
Neil.
have a cuppa and relax dude they havent jailed anybody for it yet
YET!! Someone has to be 1st, might as well be TruckerNeil
I started work at 00:00 last night. I had over an hour waiting for my load, but didn’t use POA. I did two deliveries and was held up at both, again not using POA for the waiting time. I returned back at the depot at 06:15 after doing around 2.5 hours driving. I had forgotten that I was due a 30 minute break at 06:00 and didn’t take my break until 06:30. Would it be possible to avoid an infringement by doing a printout and explaining that I had forgotten to change the tachograph mode to POA while I was waiting for my load? That would mean I wouldn’t of needed to take my break until after 07:00.
Thanks.
Neil.
have a cuppa and relax dude they havent jailed anybody for it yet
YET!! Someone has to be 1st, might as well be TruckerNeil
could be but wont be though, on an other note though am sure i read somewhere that the working time directive is up for review
I started work at 00:00 last night. I had over an hour waiting for my load, but didn’t use POA. I did two deliveries and was held up at both, again not using POA for the waiting time. I returned back at the depot at 06:15 after doing around 2.5 hours driving. I had forgotten that I was due a 30 minute break at 06:00 and didn’t take my break until 06:30. Would it be possible to avoid an infringement by doing a printout and explaining that I had forgotten to change the tachograph mode to POA while I was waiting for my load? That would mean I wouldn’t of needed to take my break until after 07:00.
Thanks.
Neil.
have a cuppa and relax dude they havent jailed anybody for it yet
YET!! Someone has to be 1st, might as well be TruckerNeil
Thats just plain nasty, the guys in a bad enough state.
TruckerNeil:
POA can only be used if you are told how long your wait is going to be.
Not true - the length of the POA can be “known” as a result of the driver’s previous experience. e.g. You arrive at a site and you know from previous visits that it will take them about half an hour to unload you - POA can be recorded (provided you are not involved in the unloading, of course!). Or you pull into the yard and can see three trailers already waiting to be unloaded - you know from previous experience that this means you will be waiting about an hour - POA can be recorded. You don’t need to actually be told anything.
The whole POA thing is of course a fudge, to allow hourly paid drivers to be “at work” (and therefore being paid) for as long as possible every week without exceeding the statutory limits on working time.
POA is used by employers to extend your shift to max hours while keeping your “average” around the 48 hours for your reference period! (Which is why you want paying for POA)It’s part of the WTD and must be recorded by your employer.
TruckerNeil:
Would it be possible to avoid an infringement by doing a printout and explaining that I had forgotten to change the tachograph mode to POA while I was waiting for my load?
No - an infringement is still an infringement even if you do a printout etc. Besides, setting the wrong recording mode is an infringement anyway!
TruckerNeil:
POA can only be used if you are told how long your wait is going to be.
Not true - the length of the POA can be “known” as a result of the driver’s previous experience. e.g. You arrive at a site and you know from previous visits that it will take them about half an hour to unload you - POA can be recorded (provided you are not involved in the unloading, of course!). Or you pull into the yard and can see three trailers already waiting to be unloaded - you know from previous experience that this means you will be waiting about an hour - POA can be recorded. You don’t need to actually be told anything.
The whole POA thing is of course a fudge, to allow hourly paid drivers to be “at work” (and therefore being paid) for as long as possible every week without exceeding the statutory limits on working time.
Cheers mate, I kind of never gave it another thought after it was introduced, somebody somewhere could possibly use that mode for some reason but being a pretty shallow thinker with more important smuttier stuff on my mind I shouldn’t have been instructing others on the rules. lol .
commonrail:
yes, you could do that…or you could say you was on break.
btw it`s only 15 mins
When did that change , or are you thinking about the breaks during driving hours
Breaks for driving times are 45 mins , which can be taken as a full period or split up as 15 mins then 30 mins , in that order
I have always been told that the WTD break is 30 mins after 6 hrs of duty time, excluding any POA
Would it be possible to avoid an infringement by doing a printout and explaining that I had forgotten to change the tachograph mode to POA while I was waiting for my load? That would mean I wouldn’t of needed to take my break until after 07:00.
