pierrot 14:
I have always been told that the WTD break is 30 mins after 6 hrs of duty time, excluding any POA
WHO told you that?
A company might have 30 mins as part of their RTD policy but the law is only 15 mins
Who gives a f…k on WTD
pierrot 14:
commonrail:
yes, you could do that…or you could say you was on break.
btw it`s only 15 minsI have always been told that the WTD break is 30 mins after 6 hrs of duty time, excluding any POA
Not this again 
You’ve been told wrong, you should have a break of at-least 15 minutes before exceeding 6 hours working time.
If you’re total working time is more than 6 hours but not more than 9 hours you should have a total of 30 minutes and 15 minutes of that should be taken before exceeding 6 hours working time.
If your total working time exceeds 9 hours you should have a total of 45 minutes break, 15 minutes should be taken before exceeding 6 hours working time and the other 30 minutes can be taken at any time during the shift but not at the immediate start of finish of the shift and can be taken in one go or in seperate 15 minute breaks.
Whenever you reach 6 hours working time from the start of shift or from the last break you should have a break of at-least 15 minutes.
globby 480:
Who gives a [zb] on WTD
I do. Not because I think it does a great deal to protect the workforce from slave-driver style bosses or anything like that. But I try to avoid getting infringements if I can. Apart from anything else it looks better when Da Management produce their league tables showing how we are all doing 
. I’d like to think that if I did drop a serious bollock one day, the fact that I had an otherwise clean sheet would go in my favour?
Roymondo:
globby 480:
Who gives a [zb] on WTDI do. Not because I think it does a great deal to protect the workforce from slave-driver style bosses or anything like that. But I try to avoid getting infringements if I can. Apart from anything else it looks better when Da Management produce their league tables showing how we are all doing
Just put it on rest.
ROG:
pierrot 14:
I have always been told that the WTD break is 30 mins after 6 hrs of duty time, excluding any POAWHO told you that?
A company might have 30 mins as part of their RTD policy but the law is only 15 mins
Was told by the person doing the “drivers hours and reg etc.” module for the CPC
Have looked on the internet and got conflicting info, some sites say 30 mins others say 15 then 30 or even 45 within the six to nine hour period ,. I was under the impression it was after 6 hrs
Anyway as a previous poster has said
". WHO CARES. "
aranger:
Roymondo:
globby 480:
Who gives a [zb] on WTDI do. Not because I think it does a great deal to protect the workforce from slave-driver style bosses or anything like that. But I try to avoid getting infringements if I can. Apart from anything else it looks better when Da Management produce their league tables showing how we are all doing
Just put it on rest.
That’s what I do (don’t think I have used POA at all in the past three or four years) - but the question posed was “Who gives a [zb] on WTD”, not “Who gives a [zb] on POA”, and there’s rather a lot more to the WTD than just POA and Breaks…
pierrot 14:
ROG:
pierrot 14:
I have always been told that the WTD break is 30 mins after 6 hrs of duty time, excluding any POAWHO told you that?
A company might have 30 mins as part of their RTD policy but the law is only 15 mins
Was told by the person doing the “drivers hours and reg etc.” module for the CPC
Have looked on the internet and got conflicting info, some sites say 30 mins others say 15 then 30 or even 45 within the six to nine hour period ,. I was under the impression it was after 6 hrsAnyway as a previous poster has said
". WHO CARES. "
The bit in red (now fixed 
) says it all - I have lost count as to how many DCPC trainers have said that according to many members on here and other sites
ROG:
pierrot 14:
ROG:
pierrot 14:
I have always been told that the WTD break is 30 mins after 6 hrs of duty time, excluding any POAWHO told you that?
A company might have 30 mins as part of their RTD policy but the law is only 15 mins
Was told by the person doing the “drivers hours and reg etc.” module for the CPC
Have looked on the internet and got conflicting info, some sites say 30 mins others say 15 then 30 or even 45 within the six to nine hour period ,. I was under the impression it was after 6 hrsAnyway as a previous poster has said
". WHO CARES. "
The bit in red says it all - I have lost count as to how many DCPC trainers have said that according to many members on here and other sites
Red ? 
Ya daft sod it’s bold not red
ROG:
pierrot 14:
ROG:
pierrot 14:
I have always been told that the WTD break is 30 mins after 6 hrs of duty time, excluding any POAWHO told you that?
A company might have 30 mins as part of their RTD policy but the law is only 15 mins
Was told by the person doing the “drivers hours and reg etc.” module for the CPC
Have looked on the internet and got conflicting info, some sites say 30 mins others say 15 then 30 or even 45 within the six to nine hour period ,. I was under the impression it was after 6 hrsAnyway as a previous poster has said
". WHO CARES. "
The bit in red says it all - I have lost count as to how many DCPC trainers have said that according to many members on here and other sites
Think its a case of Driver trainers with companies making an arse of it when it came out, I had to check on here a few years back because I got an infringement for only taking 15 and they are still giving you the its still not clear speech at Asda Falkirk when you go for your green card, or were 18 months ago.
Sure DHL still have it as company policy to take 30.
Roymondo my apologies for the 2nd time but could anyone give me a scenario when POA has to be used, I get some may not cotton on just to throw it onto rest but other than that why use it.
aranger:
…could anyone give me a scenario when POA has to be used
There is no time when POA HAS to be used
POA MAY be used at the discression of the driver provided the rules for POA are complied with
When not driving or working the driver may choose between break, other work or POA if the driver has been informed as to how long the wait will be
ROG:
aranger:
…could anyone give me a scenario when POA has to be usedThere is no time when POA HAS to be used
POA MAY be used at the discression of the driver provided the rules for POA are complied with
When not driving or working the driver may choose between break, other work or POA if the driver has been informed as to how long the wait will be
So why is it there, you guys are pig sick talking about it, nobody needs it and our minds take long enough to come up to speed after a good stint driving, so why confuse us anymore. lol
Has was the wrong word I suppose, any advantage to using it would have been more appropriate.
aranger:
Roymondo my apologies for the 2nd time but could anyone give me a scenario when POA has to be used, I get some may not cotton on just to throw it onto rest but other than that why use it.
I can’t think of any situation where POA has to be used, from a WTD/legal standpoint. Legally, it is totally up to the driver. The issue arises when drivers are hourly paid, do not get paid breaks and their duty time is calculated from tachograph records. I’m thinking it might be possible to come up with a scenario where putting it on Break instead of POA early on in the shift could reset your 4.5 hours driving clock prematurely, meaning that you might have to fit in an extra (driving time) break before the end of your shift, thus delaying your finishing time a little bit (and maybe even meaning you can’t get back to base within the 13/15 hours allowed)
Could someone point to where in the regulations it states that the driver has the legal right to decide when POA may be used, as far as I can see if a company knows that you’re going to be waiting they can tell you to use POA or break.
Opt out of the WTD.
Problem solved.
tachograph:
Could someone point to where in the regulations it states that the driver has the legal right to decide when POA may be used, as far as I can see if a company knows that you’re going to be waiting they can tell you to use POA or break.
Thats what I thought but was corrected further back on the thread.
Cheers Roymondo, that kind of makes a bit of sense.
cieranc:
Opt out of the WTD.
Problem solved.
Incoming.
tachograph:
Could someone point to where in the regulations it states that the driver has the legal right to decide when POA may be used, as far as I can see if a company knows that you’re going to be waiting they can tell you to use POA or break.
No, because it doesn’t say that. If your employer tells you when to take a break or book POA the choice is still legally yours - and you’ll not be contravening the working time regulations by making the “wrong” choice 
Roymondo:
tachograph:
Could someone point to where in the regulations it states that the driver has the legal right to decide when POA may be used, as far as I can see if a company knows that you’re going to be waiting they can tell you to use POA or break.No, because it doesn’t say that. If your employer tells you when to take a break or book POA the choice is still legally yours - and you’ll not be contravening the working time regulations by making the “wrong” choice
No, as long as the employer isn’t asking you to do anything illegal the choice is not solely the drivers.
Well to be more precise whilst there’s no one to supervise the driver he can decide when to have breaks or use POA but he could also lose his job over it if he decides to ignore the employers instructions as long as the instructions are legal and reasonable.
You’re suggesting that the driver has a legal right to decide when to have a break or use POA and can overide the employers decision so please show/quote the regulation/law whatever that says that.
I agree though that you would not be contravening the working time regulations because the working time regulations have nothing to do with who decides, whilst the working time regulations stipulate what breaks must be taken and when it’s legal to use POA they do not stipulate who’s decision it is and as far as I can see the regulations don’t give the driver any legal right to override the employer.