Well unless it’s in my interests to select POA( other work) then the only 2 modes i use are driving and rest WTD what’s that? i don’t recognise that BS
tachograph:
pierrot 14:
commonrail:
yes, you could do that…or you could say you was on break.
btw it`s only 15 minsI have always been told that the WTD break is 30 mins after 6 hrs of duty time, excluding any POA
Not this again
You’ve been told wrong, you should have a break of at-least 15 minutes before exceeding 6 hours working time.
If you’re total working time is more than 6 hours but not more than 9 hours you should have a total of 30 minutes and 15 minutes of that should be taken before exceeding 6 hours working time.
If your total working time exceeds 9 hours you should have a total of 45 minutes break, 15 minutes should be taken before exceeding 6 hours working time and the other 30 minutes can be taken at any time during the shift but not at the immediate start of finish of the shift and can be taken in one go or in seperate 15 minute breaks.
Whenever you reach 6 hours working time from the start of shift or from the last break you should have a break of at-least 15 minutes.
Working between 6 and 9 hours per day requires breaks
totalling 30 minutes. If more that 9 hours is worked then
breaks must total 45 minutes. Breaks must be of at least
15 minutes duration. Break requirements under the
Regulations, are in addition to those under the EU drivers’
hours rules. But where mainly driving work is undertaken it
is possible that working time breaks may be satisfi ed by
breaks from driving taken under the EU drivers’ hours
rules. The EU drivers’ hours rules break requirements take
precedence when driving.
Come on tacho where does it say 15min BEFORE the 6th hour ■■?
cieranc:
Opt out of the WTD.
Problem solved.
Unlike the WTD for “normal” workers, it is not possible to opt out of the Road Transport Directive (Working Time) Regulations if you are a driver. These are the regulations that are commonly referred to on here as the WTD.
Problem not solved…
Paul
nick2008:
tachograph:
pierrot 14:
commonrail:
yes, you could do that…or you could say you was on break.
btw it`s only 15 minsI have always been told that the WTD break is 30 mins after 6 hrs of duty time, excluding any POA
Not this again
You’ve been told wrong, you should have a break of at-least 15 minutes before exceeding 6 hours working time.
If you’re total working time is more than 6 hours but not more than 9 hours you should have a total of 30 minutes and 15 minutes of that should be taken before exceeding 6 hours working time.
If your total working time exceeds 9 hours you should have a total of 45 minutes break, 15 minutes should be taken before exceeding 6 hours working time and the other 30 minutes can be taken at any time during the shift but not at the immediate start of finish of the shift and can be taken in one go or in seperate 15 minute breaks.
Whenever you reach 6 hours working time from the start of shift or from the last break you should have a break of at-least 15 minutes.
Working between 6 and 9 hours per day requires breaks
totalling 30 minutes. If more that 9 hours is worked then
breaks must total 45 minutes. Breaks must be of at least
15 minutes duration. Break requirements under the
Regulations, are in addition to those under the EU drivers’
hours rules. But where mainly driving work is undertaken it
is possible that working time breaks may be satisfi ed by
breaks from driving taken under the EU drivers’ hours
rules. The EU drivers’ hours rules break requirements take
precedence when driving.Come on tacho where does it say 15min BEFORE the 6th hour ■■?
it not before it on 6 hours, if you only work 6 hours you don’t need a break, but if you work say 6 hours and 1 minutes you would have had to have a break of 30 minutes.
2005 No. 639
TRANSPORT
The Road Transport (Working Time) Regulations 2005Breaks
7.–(1) No mobile worker shall work for more than six hours without a break
(2) Where a mobile worker’s working time exceeds six hours but does not exceed nine hours,
the worker shall be entitled to a break lasting at least 30 minutes and interrupting that time.
(3) Where a mobile worker’s working time exceeds nine hours, the worker shall be entitled to a
break lasting at least 45 minutes and interrupting that period.
(4) Each break may be made up of separate periods of not less than 15 minutes each…
(5) An employer shall take all reasonable steps, in keeping with the need to protect the health
and safety of the mobile worker, to ensure that the limits specified above are complied with in the
case of each mobile worker employed by him.
nick2008:
tachograph:
pierrot 14:
commonrail:
yes, you could do that…or you could say you was on break.
btw it`s only 15 minsI have always been told that the WTD break is 30 mins after 6 hrs of duty time, excluding any POA
Not this again
You’ve been told wrong, you should have a break of at-least 15 minutes before exceeding 6 hours working time.
If you’re total working time is more than 6 hours but not more than 9 hours you should have a total of 30 minutes and 15 minutes of that should be taken before exceeding 6 hours working time.
If your total working time exceeds 9 hours you should have a total of 45 minutes break, 15 minutes should be taken before exceeding 6 hours working time and the other 30 minutes can be taken at any time during the shift but not at the immediate start of finish of the shift and can be taken in one go or in seperate 15 minute breaks.
Whenever you reach 6 hours working time from the start of shift or from the last break you should have a break of at-least 15 minutes.
Come on tacho where does it say 15min BEFORE the 6th hour ■■?
I’ve never said you should have a 15 minutes break before the 6th hour 
delboytwo:
if you work say 6 hours and 1 minutes you would have had to have a break of 30 minutes
if you work say 6 hours and 1 minutes you would have had to have breaks totalling 30 minutes
Those can be split into 2 x 15 mins breaks
ROG:
delboytwo:
if you work say 6 hours and 1 minutes you would have had to have a break of 30 minutesif you work say 6 hours and 1 minutes you would have had to have breaks totalling 30 minutes
Those can be split into 2 x 15 mins breaks
i tying to explain that you need 30 minutes break after 6 hours work but not before Rog, there can be split, that is a option not a requirement.
look at is this why if you boss tells you to take 30 minutes break for RTD(working time) then take it. you as a driver will have to take another 30 minutes break to cover you driving hours if you have to. so you win you get 1 hour break instead of 45 minutes, and most companies don’t pay for 1 hour in your shift as there take it for lunch.
So, how does this work in euroland? As far as I know they don’t have POA there!
So are they only on shift for 48 hrs between weekly rest periods? Like it was supposed to be!
weeto:
So, how does this work in euroland? As far as I know they don’t have POA there!
So are they only on shift for 48 hrs between weekly rest periods? Like it was supposed to be!
I’ve no idea whether or not they use it but what makes you think they don’t have POA
As far as I’m aware it was never supposed to be 48 hours between weekly rest periods.
tachograph:
weeto:
So, how does this work in euroland? As far as I know they don’t have POA there!
So are they only on shift for 48 hrs between weekly rest periods? Like it was supposed to be!I’ve no idea whether or not they use it but what makes you think they don’t have POA
As far as I’m aware it was never supposed to be 48 hours between weekly rest periods.
Re POA, sure I read it on here somewhere.
Re 48 hrs, when it was first talked about in the late 90s that was what was said, max 48 hrs duty per week, POA wasn’t even mentioned then.
If I remember right, POA was pushed through by the big bluechip co’s like salvesans exel and the like.
Thats what I remember from the time.
Also as far as I know, it was the reason 4 on 4 off shifts were started, they were covering them selves if POA wasn’t included.
tachograph:
nick2008:
tachograph:
pierrot 14:
commonrail:
yes, you could do that…or you could say you was on break.
btw it`s only 15 minsI have always been told that the WTD break is 30 mins after 6 hrs of duty time, excluding any POA
Not this again
You’ve been told wrong, you should have a break of at-least 15 minutes before exceeding 6 hours working time.
If you’re total working time is more than 6 hours but not more than 9 hours you should have a total of 30 minutes and 15 minutes of that should be taken before exceeding 6 hours working time.
If your total working time exceeds 9 hours you should have a total of 45 minutes break, 15 minutes should be taken before exceeding 6 hours working time and the other 30 minutes can be taken at any time during the shift but not at the immediate start of finish of the shift and can be taken in one go or in seperate 15 minute breaks.
Whenever you reach 6 hours working time from the start of shift or from the last break you should have a break of at-least 15 minutes.
Come on tacho where does it say 15min BEFORE the 6th hour ■■?
I’ve never said you should have a 15 minutes break before the 6th hour
15 minutes should be taken before exceeding 6 hours
You can think yourself lucky that you havnt worked 15hours without a break.
nick2008:
tachograph:
nick2008:
Come on tacho where does it say 15min BEFORE the 6th hour ■■?I’ve never said you should have a 15 minutes break before the 6th hour
15 minutes should be taken before exceeding 6 hours
exceed
- to go beyond in quantity, degree, rate, etc.: to exceed the speed limit.
- to go beyond the bounds or limits of: to exceed one’s understanding.
- to surpass; be superior to; excel: Her performance exceeded all the others.
Example Sentences
On the other hand, the surface is opaque to elementary particles having energies exceeding a certain threshold.
Shelf life expectancy is tens of years, far exceeding any other energy storage system currently known.
Like I said I’ve never said you should have a 15 minute break before the 6th hour, I said you should have a 15 minute break before exceeding 6 hours working time 
tachograph:
nick2008:
tachograph:
nick2008:
Come on tacho where does it say 15min BEFORE the 6th hour ■■?I’ve never said you should have a 15 minutes break before the 6th hour
15 minutes should be taken before exceeding 6 hours
exceed
- to go beyond in quantity, degree, rate, etc.: to exceed the speed limit.
- to go beyond the bounds or limits of: to exceed one’s understanding.
- to surpass; be superior to; excel: Her performance exceeded all the others.
Example Sentences
On the other hand, the surface is opaque to elementary particles having energies exceeding a certain threshold.
Shelf life expectancy is tens of years, far exceeding any other energy storage system currently known.
Like I said I’ve never said you should have a 15 minute break before the 6th hour, I said you should have a 15 minute break before exceeding 6 hours working time
Cheers for all the replies guys. 
I guess it’s nothing much to worry about then. I just thought it would save me the embarrasment of having to sign for yet another infringement when the gaffer calls me into his office.
It seems the 30 minute break after 6 hours work has been put in place by the company I work for. We have recently opted out of the 10 hour working rule for night drivers too. As some of our shifts are 11.25 hours, we were forced into taking 30 minutes POA during that shift, as not to go over the 10 hour WTD rule.
Cheers,
Neil.
TruckerNeil:
It seems the 30 minute break after 6 hours work has been put in place by the company I work for.
Then if you do not comply with that the company can give you a COMPANY infringement for it which may lead to disciplinary action
I think most drivers view the company 30 minute rule as … well, if you want to PAY ME for sitting an extra 15 mins then … thank you
It becomes more of an issue if the driver is not hourly paid or is not paid for recorded breaks
ROG:
pierrot 14:
I have always been told that the WTD break is 30 mins after 6 hrs of duty time, excluding any POAWHO told you that?
A company might have 30 mins as part of their RTD policy but the law is only 15 mins
there is still an argument over whether its 15 or 30 minutes. it works in my favour though if i take a split break. 35 minutes plus 35 minutes (30 minutes plus 5 is company policy) equals 70 minutes and they only take 45 off
scanny77:
there is still an argument over whether its 15 or 30 minutes.
No argument for 6 hours of work - 15 min is the law & anything over that is company policy = very simple
ROG:
scanny77:
there is still an argument over whether its 15 or 30 minutes.No argument for 6 hours of work - 15 min is the law & anything over that is company policy = very simple
i have never had an infringement for taking only 15 minutes and my tacho is squeaky clean now which looks good for new clients as it did last friday but company policy is company policy. i certainly wont argue that they are paying me too much for breaks
i have my own company policies too ie 9 hours off means 9 hours at home. my company does not recognise commuting as
A rest is an uninterrupted period where a driver may freely dispose of his time. Time spent working
in other employment or under obligation or instruction, regardless of the occupation type, cannot be
counted as rest, including work where you are self-employed
for health and safety reasons ie how can i get 8 hours uninterrupted sleep when i am only home for 7.5 hours?
although i reserve the right to waive that for a 12+ hour shift under the built in ‘suits me’ clause
Health and Safety Executive say on their website.
After 6 hrs a worker must take 20 mins. 30mins for 16 to18s.