Driver-Once-More:
Black tape?
the nodding donkey:
Because if an office bod falls asleep behind his desk, or uses his mobile to text, or watches a video on his laptop, the worst he’ll do is get behind with his work. Not stick 40 tons into the back of a queue of stationary traffic…
If that were the case, then lets have every car in the land fitted with them, as they cause more accidents per mile than HGV’s.
Ken.
Pat Hasler:
Quit !
I get naked and sleep in my truck. No cameras.
We know Pat, we have seen the pics. 
Ken.
Rottweiler22:
As they become cheaper and more accessible, I can see them becoming the norm in LGVs, especially within the big, corporate firms, who would do anything to get their insurance down. The only one who loses out is the driver, and nobody cares about the driver, they’re being paid to drive, they should accept whatever they introduce.They could even be used for new car drivers, like the black box thing that was going around. Install front and rear-facing cameras into a new passer’s car, and the insurance premium is lowered.
I was talking to one of the girls in a traffic office of an RDC I was in, for a large, high street shop, and the topic of in-cab cameras came up. She mentioned their own vehicles have forward-facing cameras and audio recording only, and all of the girls in the office were laughing at a driver, because he listened to children’s audiobooks in his cab (Harry Potter, Lord of the Rings, that sort of thing). A load of young girls with access to the footage, barefaced laughing at him, and they weren’t afraid to tell anyone! Absolute disgrace, possibly even slanderous, as its tarnishing his reputation.
If this type of surveillance does become the norm, I will definitely be leaving the industry, as will many others. I hate the concept of driver-facing cameras, but I find this particularly unfair to trampers, who effectively live on the job. Having to work, eat and sleep in a truck for 120 hours per week, and not being at home with your family, pets or hobbies. It’s bad enough as it is, but now 120 hours a week with a camera pointed at you, they might say it’s on or off, but it’s not the point, it’s still pointed at you! It crosses the line. Good luck getting people to do the job, that’s what I say, but I fear the newer generations wil just accept it as part and parcel of the job.
I would be extremely interested to know how that company would state they are complying with the data protection act.
I currently work in a supermarket so know I spend my shift on camera, as does everyone else. However due to the data protection act the cameras can only be checked in very specific circumstances by relevant people. They can not be routinely monitored. It is gross misconduct not to follow this.
The fact random people know this drivers preference for audio books suggests that they may be on very thin ice if the driver complained
What about all us poor ■■■■■■■ with Tourette’s. Them ■■■■■ in the office will be starting a ■■■■■■■ YouTube channel all for our ■■■■■■■ selves. The ■■■■■■■■■
I always thought “Tourettes” was ■■■■ ■■■■ ■■■■■■■■ and ■■■■ of which only the scrotum scratching part seems to get through?
I am sure that a driver’s widow is going to be so reassured to hear from the insurance company who have reviewed the footage of the last seconds of her husbands life before he was squashed flat against the rear of the cab, that in their opinion the deceased driver had time to jump clear of the vehicle before the cab was obliterated, and so accordingly they are refusing to pay out.
Kcrussell wrote its ok for relevant people to watch the footage in specific circumstances.
Sorry mate, that is a load of rubbish and your work mates swallowed that corporate garbage PC waffle .
toby1234abc:
Kcrussell wrote its ok for relevant people to watch the footage in specific circumstances.
Sorry mate, that is a load of rubbish and your work mates swallowed that corporate garbage PC waffle .
Sorry but I think you will find it is right. You will find it is easy for companies to put cameras in on the grounds of security and health and safety. You also have no realistic expectation of a right to privacy in public. It is a matter of if they want the arguement with the workforce. Unfortunately it is not “corporate garbage” these days. 20 or 30 years ago you trusted you employees as they wouldn’t help themselves or people wouldn’t sue if they tripped over their own foot. We are in a situation of our own making. Like the thread about weight limits on seats. If insurance companies start raising premiums for those who don’t have the cameras it may happen sooner rather than later. I saw the comment the comment from OLAV JAY (who I do feel talks a lot of sense) saying that his place said they would go for constructive dismissal if they were put in. On what grounds? It seems their boss wanted to keep their drivers so let it go and they have been ok. Also the tribunal costs even if employers win put them off going.
I am one of the relevant people. Working in retail the main reason we review it is for investigating theft. After that it is around accidents or complaints of bullying/harassment. There are other circumstances but they are more an as or when you make a decision if it is needed to be reviewed at the time. A key point is that we do have to be able to justify that decision. If I want to look I know I could be asked why I made that decision and if I do not have a valid reason I will be disciplined. People have been sacked in the past for this. I havn’t checked the cameras for weeks. The last occasion was when someone came to me with concerns that someone else was helping themselves. When we checked the cameras they were and have since been sacked.
There should be no reason not to record the driver for use in event of an accident or robbery. Maybe the biggest reason so many are against it is there is the A1 thread of guys using their phone and even driving round here where I live drivers on their phone is a common sight.
Surely if you are doing nothing wrong you should be greatful for the help to clear you in an accident? Or is it the many who openly admit to cutting corners are worried if it happens at the wrong time it will catch them out? I will admit there are things I do at work that would have me in the office if it was seen at the time. I speak to some of the older guys who deliver to us and they say thew job has changed now as they can’t take the mickey the way they used to because of trackers etc. Some would park up for 2 hours and say there were delayed to get overtime in for their holidays. They admit that can’t be done any more.
A final point that is likely to be of more interest to everyone is here is that there are no cameras in our canteen. I was told that this is because it is illegal to film people eating whilst they are on break. The understanding I have is that these cameras only work when the ignition is on? How this works when you are on break and want the ignition on for your windows or the radio could be an interesting point? I am working this weekend and will check the policy if I get a chance
We have forward facing cameras and I’m surprised we don’t have in cab cameras as well, the only people who can access footage is the senior transport manager and the health and safety manager, you have to see it from the point of view of the operator the days of a driver doing the job in a competant manner have for the most part long gone.
We regularly have in excess of £10,000 of damage per week an in cab camera and one looking down the nearside would put an end to a lot of it, it would also put an end to the idiots who use the cigarette lighter to melt pretty patterns on the cab interior or spit bits of fingernail all over the place and knock the trailers about like dodgem cars.
I picked up a load recently from Arla foods at Avonmouth they have three cameras on the unit, one on the nearside one facing the driver and one forward facing and the fleet is totally immaculate both inside and out, its a shame its come to this where drivers are no longer trusted.
kcrussell25:
toby1234abc:
Kcrussell wrote its ok for relevant people to watch the footage in specific circumstances.
Sorry mate, that is a load of rubbish and your work mates swallowed that corporate garbage PC waffle .Sorry but I think you will find it is right. You will find it is easy for companies to put cameras in on the grounds of security and health and safety. You also have no realistic expectation of a right to privacy in public. It is a matter of if they want the arguement with the workforce. Unfortunately it is not “corporate garbage” these days. 20 or 30 years ago you trusted you employees as they wouldn’t help themselves or people wouldn’t sue if they tripped over their own foot. We are in a situation of our own making. Like the thread about weight limits on seats. If insurance companies start raising premiums for those who don’t have the cameras it may happen sooner rather than later. I saw the comment the comment from OLAV JAY (who I do feel talks a lot of sense) saying that his place said they would go for constructive dismissal if they were put in. On what grounds? It seems their boss wanted to keep their drivers so let it go and they have been ok. Also the tribunal costs even if employers win put them off going.
I am one of the relevant people. Working in retail the main reason we review it is for investigating theft. After that it is around accidents or complaints of bullying/harassment. There are other circumstances but they are more an as or when you make a decision if it is needed to be reviewed at the time. A key point is that we do have to be able to justify that decision. If I want to look I know I could be asked why I made that decision and if I do not have a valid reason I will be disciplined. People have been sacked in the past for this. I havn’t checked the cameras for weeks. The last occasion was when someone came to me with concerns that someone else was helping themselves. When we checked the cameras they were and have since been sacked.
There should be no reason not to record the driver for use in event of an accident or robbery. Maybe the biggest reason so many are against it is there is the A1 thread of guys using their phone and even driving round here where I live drivers on their phone is a common sight.
Surely if you are doing nothing wrong you should be greatful for the help to clear you in an accident? Or is it the many who openly admit to cutting corners are worried if it happens at the wrong time it will catch them out? I will admit there are things I do at work that would have me in the office if it was seen at the time. I speak to some of the older guys who deliver to us and they say thew job has changed now as they can’t take the mickey the way they used to because of trackers etc. Some would park up for 2 hours and say there were delayed to get overtime in for their holidays. They admit that can’t be done any more.
A final point that is likely to be of more interest to everyone is here is that there are no cameras in our canteen. I was told that this is because it is illegal to film people eating whilst they are on break. The understanding I have is that these cameras only work when the ignition is on? How this works when you are on break and want the ignition on for your windows or the radio could be an interesting point? I am working this weekend and will check the policy if I get a chance
With respect, that is the epitome of Corporate Garbage PC Waffle.
What other employee has a camera pointing specifically at them over the course of a fifteen hour shift? What are these cameras supposed to prove? Drivers get tired on the fifth Night Shift of the week? Big surprise, it isn’t the fault of the driver, it’s the result of being permitted, ergo expected, to work the hours we work. Let me tell you, if I ever have one fitted it will record plenty of yawning and rubbing of eyes towards the end of a days graft. Sorry about that, I’m human, I own up in advance to the fact that I get tired, pick my nose, drink a Diet Coke, listen to The Archers and sing along to a variety of music that I would really prefer to remain my secret, while driving. I have also on occasion clipped a kerb or roundabout and clattered the odd step on a blindside reverse.
So basically camera installers, up yours. There’s a bigger social benefit to paying me a wage to deliver stuff around the countryside whilst armpit ■■■■■■■ along with the Bay City Rollers than there is to paying Google & Mercedes bloody Benz to develop a truck that drives itself in order to enable DHL or XPO or whoever to increase the profit margin for their shareholders at our nations expense under the guise of “safety”.
If there is an argument to fit this crap in truck cabs, then there is an argument to fit it in Commercial Plane Cockpits, Train Cabs, Police Cars, Taxi Cabs. Excavator Cabs & Crane Cabs. In fact there are a lot of Industries where it could be argued there is a more pressing need for this tech than Road Haulage.
Im going to start wearing a burka and sunglasses at work.
Schofield:
Im going to start wearing a burka and sunglasses at work.
That won’t stop the cameras looking at you - but at least the BBC will then show you in a good light! 
tomk86:
If i dont know the words to a song i ■■■■…
A bit extreme but each to their own 
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I believe my current employers philosophy is to not entertain this idea as due to cost, driver loss, sheer ott intrusion, trust issues and the high risk of my footage appearing on the office server.
Being a driver does give the illusion of freedom and although companies may feel they have a right to monitor their staff I also have a right to ensure I’m monitored all the time then and use my imagination to produce some extreme vids.
Thanks for all your replys.
So my mind is made up I work a 60hr week minus breaks flat out hard work. I am forced to work Saturdays for £30-40 I have to put up with ■■■■ sites that you can’t get in and out of and all for the poultry £430 after tax a week and to top it off the sinister boss who has a 5 million pound house £90000 pound Range Rover, land everywhere fleet of 40 motors who can’t even give us a 10ner a hour decides to wind up his drivers by putting forward facing cctv on me for 60 hours a week. I’m good honest and hard working and I don’t except this sort of behaviour and neither do my family. I will leave this firm on the grounds that it was not discussed that camaras would be in the cab. It’s a shame because I have met some really nice people and enjoyed my lorry and my privacy until the camaras came.
CLASS ONE TRAINING STARTS THIS WEEK CANT WAIT TO EARN SOME PROPER MONEYBAND NOT FEEL SO RAGGED MY DREAM IS TO OWN MY OWN TRUCKS WITHOUT CAMARAS. Because I trust my drivers and don’t treat them with contempt!
Who do you work for digit? So people can avoid
Driver-Once-More:
Black tape?
+1
That Corcra website makes me sick, talking about the cameras “positively effecting driver behaviour”. Talk about carrot and stick, electric shock collars positively effect dog’s behaviour, the way they talk about cameras is dehumanising.
Some, like KCRussell, seem to have an “if you’re doing nothing wrong, you have nothing to hide” sort of philosophy, and that a driver should happily accept in-cab cameras to prove they’re not doing anything wrong, but that’s their opinion. Each to their own, but I’m not doing anything wrong when I take a s***, it doesn’t mean I need a camera pointing at me for me to prove it.
Sadly, one thing is true, and that is that in-cab cameras are very difficult to oppose. Throw around phrases like “positively effect driver behaviour”, “improve safety”, “reduce numbers of accidents”, whatever, and the faceless, corporate big nobs will be all over them, especially if they bring the insurance down. Little thought to the driver, who can spend 120 hours every week, working, eating and sleeping in his cab, his wife, kids, pets and hobbies left at home hundreds of miles away, in his home he only sees for two days every week. Not being able to cuddle his wife when she’s sad, or hug his kid because they’re getting bullied at school… One slip of the steering wheel could kill dozens of people, and one mistake on his tacho could cost him a month’s wage. Transport managers who’ve never been in a truck expecting him to cram 20 hours of work into a 15-hour day, to drive efficiently in order to save fuel, and to meet impossible deadlines. When he gets to his drop, his keys are confiscated, trailer locked onto a bay, and has to sit in a holding cell for three hours, waiting for a load of jobsworth foreigners to tip him. Other motorists brake checking him, cutting him up, and at the end of the day having to wear flip-flops in the service showers, the list goes on… All for a job, to feed, clothe and provide warmth to himself and his loved ones. Things get worse, now he has a camera pointed at him for all of his working time, another thing to contend with. He daren’t sip his coffee, change his radio, eat his sandwich, because if he has an accident, the footage will be used against him… It’s too far, and the clinical, logical, pragmatic thought of the corporate, PC brigade won’t see it, afterall, if you’ve done nothing wrong, you’ve got nothing to hide, but they don’t see the trials and tribulations of the job that a driver has, and it will push people over the edge, and out of the industry.
If one day, I find a camera in my cab, my letter of resignation will be on the manager’s desk the next day, and if they become the norm, I will be leaving the industry, simple as. Soon, I fear they will become the norm, and any disgruntlement will be met with “it’s just the way the job is…” from a lower manager. I’m not having a camera pointed at me for a large majority of my week, not for £9.50 per hour…
Rottweiler22:
That Corcra website makes me sick, talking about the cameras “positively effecting driver behaviour”. Talk about carrot and stick, electric shock collars positively effect dog’s behaviour, the way they talk about cameras is dehumanising.Some, like KCRussell, seem to have an “if you’re doing nothing wrong, you have nothing to hide” sort of philosophy, and that a driver should happily accept in-cab cameras to prove they’re not doing anything wrong, but that’s their opinion. Each to their own, but I’m not doing anything wrong when I take a s***, it doesn’t mean I need a camera pointing at me for me to prove it.
Sadly, one thing is true, and that is that in-cab cameras are very difficult to oppose. Throw around phrases like “positively effect driver behaviour”, “improve safety”, “reduce numbers of accidents”, whatever, and the faceless, corporate big nobs will be all over them, especially if they bring the insurance down. Little thought to the driver, who can spend 120 hours every week, working, eating and sleeping in his cab, his wife, kids, pets and hobbies left at home hundreds of miles away, in his home he only sees for two days every week. Not being able to cuddle his wife when she’s sad, or hug his kid because they’re getting bullied at school… One slip of the steering wheel could kill dozens of people, and one mistake on his tacho could cost him a month’s wage. Transport managers who’ve never been in a truck expecting him to cram 20 hours of work into a 15-hour day, to drive efficiently in order to save fuel, and to meet impossible deadlines. When he gets to his drop, his keys are confiscated, trailer locked onto a bay, and has to sit in a holding cell for three hours, waiting for a load of jobsworth foreigners to tip him. Other motorists brake checking him, cutting him up, and at the end of the day having to wear flip-flops in the service showers, the list goes on… All for a job, to feed, clothe and provide warmth to himself and his loved ones. Things get worse, now he has a camera pointed at him for all of his working time, another thing to contend with. He daren’t sip his coffee, change his radio, eat his sandwich, because if he has an accident, the footage will be used against him… It’s too far, and the clinical, logical, pragmatic thought of the corporate, PC brigade won’t see it, afterall, if you’ve done nothing wrong, you’ve got nothing to hide, but they don’t see the trials and tribulations of the job that a driver has, and it will push people over the edge, and out of the industry.
If one day, I find a camera in my cab, my letter of resignation will be on the manager’s desk the next day, and if they become the norm, I will be leaving the industry, simple as. Soon, I fear they will become the norm, and any disgruntlement will be met with “it’s just the way the job is…” from a lower manager. I’m not having a camera pointed at me for a large majority of my week, not for £9.50 per hour…
That is so spot on 
That is the reality.
Why do we do it? I only do it for 74 days a year because I could not do it full-time, it would crush my spirit and I know my limitations.
Very good, concise post was that, thank you.
Digit369:
all for the poultry £430 after tax a week
You’re paid in chickens?