I've had camaras installed in the cab of my lorry facing me

Personally I’d see it as a total invasion of privacy and cover th thing up with a piece of gaffa tape.

Was talking to a guy whilst parked at the hollies truck stop not long ago and he’d been through the same thing. All the drivers where he worked stood up together and said if they install the cameras then none of them will be doing nights out. Asked the boss if he’d want a camera in his bedroom watching his family all night.

Because they all stood together they never ended up with the interior cameras.

Harry Monk:
But you are still under constant surveillance, and if I wanted to be under constant surveillance then I would go and live in the Soviet Union in the 1950s.

You dont need to.

You are under constant surveillance in the UK and its 2016 !!!

I would not be happy to drive a vehicle that had a camera facing inwards. If they are ever introduced where I work I would hope that I would not be alone in making my feelings known. I think I would carry a small tub of Vaseline to smear over the lens before inserting the key in the ignition and operate like that until I found a new job.

corcra.co.uk/fleet-management/cameras/ offers live footage so it does exist, if i was a tramping and the company i worked for installed them i would ensure it wasn’t recording anything during breaks and daily rest periods, and if they didn’t like that ,they would be looking for a new driver

The secret to implementing such a policy is to turn over your entire staff in less than ten years.
Newcomers get offered the choice of “like it or lump it”.
Firms with a strong union presence - won’t let it happen, but there again - staff turnover is very low at such places. Who “resigns” from a firm that has real difficulty in sacking people - because of that very same Union? :bulb:

OVLOV JAY:

kr79:

yourhavingalarf:
Ask why cameras aren’t being installed on all the office bods.

Most screens can be specified with a built in camera so, why are you being singled out?

I’d be inclined to put my butty box in front of the ■■■■ thing as a first reaction, after that, I’d probably look for another job.

Our yard and office is fully cameras up and all phone calls recorded etc.
We have dash cams but not in cab one yet but insurance company have mentioned it.
Our insurance is pretty horendous and every bogdan and Vladimir they ship in seems to have an uncanny ability to smash everything in sight

Good job it wasn’t bogdan getting carved up by that x5 earlier. You might have a bus lane appeal to fight now though

Abdul got a pocket full of change over his car I didn’t fancy the former filling for the 27 whiplash claims and will get more every time I see him in the cash and carry.

Harry Monk:
But you are still under constant surveillance, and if I wanted to be under constant surveillance then I would go and live in the Soviet Union in the 1950s.

Or walk around any UK town centre !

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If this was to become industry wide I would be leaving the industry.
A firm near me has installed these and the drivers play hell about it but haven’t made a stand :confused:
Then you get the “it’s fine Iv got nothing to hide” drivers who always roll over for there belly tickling every time a new silly rule comes in and just accept it.

Have a camera facing the road ahead and no, I wouldn’t be comfortable either with a camera watching me constantly to see what I was up to if a collision occurred. Operators might get slightly cheaper insurance premiums with these installed I fear.

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switchlogic:
Thing you should remember is that the only time anyone will see the video is if you have an accident. No one is going to sit on front of a screen watching you go about your working day

In an ideal world yes, but the cynic in me says a more unscrupulous firm would use it to build a dismissal case against an awkward driver

How? How are they going to build a case against him if he’s just sat there doing his job as it should be done?

Rottweiler22:
The firm I work for has them fitted in the trucks at their base depot, but they are spreading to more peripheral depots. My depot, or my vehicle don’t have them (yet), but after finding-out about them earlier this week, I promised myself that if I get into a vehicle, and it has one, I will put it in writing that they didn’t mention it at interview, and I will be resigning.

A driver trainer said the other day that all new vehicles they buy will be fitted with driver-facing cameras. These ones are activated by G-force, and send a 20-second clip of the footage prior to a G-force-initiated incident, such as harsh braking, taking a roundabout too quickly, etc, to two authorised managers, and two only, supposedly… They watch all of the clips when they have time, or when they have to review a serious incident. If you’re found to be on the phone, smoking, etc, then you’re in trouble. They also record sound too, so they can hear your conversations.

They are manually switched-off at night, but they will automatically switch-on again when the vehicle moves, or if it receives sudden g-force. So if you’re polishing the trumpet in the services on a night-out, and someone bangs into your truck, activating the camera, Tom and ■■■■ will be having a right laugh the next morning when they come to review the footage! Bang out of order if you ask me.

They may have been completely lying, but they say that they cannot watch a live feed, footage is only available in retrospect. For all we know, they could, but there might be walkouts if people knew, so they keep it quiet, and say they are “only available in retrospect”.

Somebody has already mentioned it, but in the future I can imagine all of the big companies installing them, and as technology improves, managers will be able to watch their drivers on a live feed, just like normal CCTV. As they become cheaper and more accessible, even the smallest hauliers could see sense in using them. Lower insurance costs, and dead easy to blame or acquit the driver of causing an accident. Maybe less accidents because drivers daren’t use their phones, or have a ■■■. Bosses will just shrug, and say it’s “part of the job”. Good luck in getting people to do the job, I can see serious problems, unless people just bend-over and accept them.

If they mentioned at my interview or induction that my cab would be fitted with a driver-facing camera, I would have refused the job, but they didn’t, no word was said. I might sabotage it first, and see if, and how long it takes for Tom and ■■■■ give me a bollocking. I can say that my last truck didn’t have one in, and they didn’t give a toss, but my new one does, so suddenly they do?

The thing is that it’s very difficult to argue against them. If you mention privacy, the company will just say that people in much less risky professions have cameras pointed at them all day, so why not drivers, who could cause some serious damage if not paying attention? I hate the things on principle, but I can see it being the way things go.

I love that very specific scenario! You may be knocking one of as someone bumps into cab!

switchlogic:

OVLOV JAY:

switchlogic:
Thing you should remember is that the only time anyone will see the video is if you have an accident. No one is going to sit on front of a screen watching you go about your working day

In an ideal world yes, but the cynic in me says a more unscrupulous firm would use it to build a dismissal case against an awkward driver

How? How are they going to build a case against him if he’s just sat there doing his job as it should be done?

Sipping a coffee, smoking, eating, road rage, moaning about your operator to a friend or anything that’s not tunnel vision on the road with hands at ten to two. All the little things that don’t mean anything, but some companies might use to get an awkward driver out of a job.

We all know nobody drives like it’s their test, I mean, some people even talk into cameras and post it on YouTube :wink: :laughing: :laughing:

Kerragy:
I’m worried about ending up on some webcam type ■■■■ site while innocently putting my Jammies on.

When you have a physique like mine. Honed by 25 years of nights out in Leyland Cruisers, Iveco 190-30s, Pot Noodles & snack van bacon sandwiches, you have to be worried about being exploited.

:grimacing:

A forward facing camera could be useful, I could show the lass in planning my latest attempt at ■■■■ whitening

I think that we can see the paranoia already in this thread, there is nothing wrong with paranoia to a certain degree, it is an emotional reaction to an uncomfortable situation, part of your survival mechanism, it just needs perspective.

I think that a camera in your cab would be a contributive factor to any increase in feelings of paranoia, this is clearly a mental health issue and you must be of sound mind to operate the vehicle, so in my opinion a camera in your cab is dangerous.

Paranoia can affect your other responses in an emotional state and increase anger in certain situations, it can cause normal behaviour to become exaggerated.

The lack of trust is also a contributory factor in all of this.

If the organisation that you work for fitting these cameras is large, then you should have access to an occupational health therapist, it may be wise to discuss certain things.

Personally I feel it is gross invasion of privacy, that is a feeling, not a thought…I do not like this modern world, it is too difficult to live in really, if you want to be carefree and relatively happy, they make everything so overly complicated :imp:

As they become cheaper and more accessible, I can see them becoming the norm in LGVs, especially within the big, corporate firms, who would do anything to get their insurance down. The only one who loses out is the driver, and nobody cares about the driver, they’re being paid to drive, they should accept whatever they introduce.

They could even be used for new car drivers, like the black box thing that was going around. Install front and rear-facing cameras into a new passer’s car, and the insurance premium is lowered.

I was talking to one of the girls in a traffic office of an RDC I was in, for a large, high street shop, and the topic of in-cab cameras came up. She mentioned their own vehicles have forward-facing cameras and audio recording only, and all of the girls in the office were laughing at a driver, because he listened to children’s audiobooks in his cab (Harry Potter, Lord of the Rings, that sort of thing). A load of young girls with access to the footage, barefaced laughing at him, and they weren’t afraid to tell anyone! Absolute disgrace, possibly even slanderous, as its tarnishing his reputation.

If this type of surveillance does become the norm, I will definitely be leaving the industry, as will many others. I hate the concept of driver-facing cameras, but I find this particularly unfair to trampers, who effectively live on the job. Having to work, eat and sleep in a truck for 120 hours per week, and not being at home with your family, pets or hobbies. It’s bad enough as it is, but now 120 hours a week with a camera pointed at you, they might say it’s on or off, but it’s not the point, it’s still pointed at you! It crosses the line. Good luck getting people to do the job, that’s what I say, but I fear the newer generations wil just accept it as part and parcel of the job.

Gangan:
I think I would carry a small tub of Vaseline to smear over the lens before inserting the key in the ignition and operate like that until I found a new job.

You’re one of ‘those guys’ are ya gangan? Little tube of Vaseline on your persons at all times eh? :wink:

We have them in the cabs of our vans at Ocado. Known as Smartdrive. They seem to be triggered by every single jolt or pothole, some days they never go off. Not sure if this is correct, but another driver mentioned to me the footage sent from each trigger is sent to a company over in the USA to check what the trigger was. As almost every driver comes back to the yard with a “camera alert” which is a big green exclamation mark that can be seen from both inside and outside the cab, I don’t believe it would be possible to check every single bit of footage from every cam, although I’m lead to believe you used to get taken into the office if you triggered the cam at any point previously, even just sharp braking. We also have a “panic button” on ours I have had to press a good few times.

Camera in… me out.

Simon2710:
We have them in the cabs of our vans at Ocado. Known as Smartdrive. They seem to be triggered by every single jolt or pothole, some days they never go off. Not sure if this is correct, but another driver mentioned to me the footage sent from each trigger is sent to a company over in the USA to check what the trigger was. As almost every driver comes back to the yard with a “camera alert” which is a big green exclamation mark that can be seen from both inside and outside the cab, I don’t believe it would be possible to check every single bit of footage from every cam, although I’m lead to believe you used to get taken into the office if you triggered the cam at any point previously, even just sharp braking. We also have a “panic button” on ours I have had to press a good few times.

Sounds like a mixture of “Fleetboard” and “SevenEye”

This thing about VOSA arguing that “eating” or “drinking” or “adjusting a music player” is going to be treated the same as “being on the damned phone” - fills even ME with dread.

I fiddle with my radio all the time! :open_mouth: :blush:
I have to turn it off sometimes, or I’m flailing around the cab trying to find a brick to throw at it. :unamused: :stuck_out_tongue:
I think it’s the “flailing around the cab” that gets you into trouble btw.