no that was in the pass. we can do it now that it wont ■■■■ up ur pumps
milkchurns:
no that was in the pass. we can do it now that it wont [zb] up ur pumps
I think your ‘screen name’ says it al!!! 
Ross.
thanks ross.that means alot to me
milkchurns:
thanks ross.that means alot to me
It means a lot to me to know how much it means to you.
Driveroneuk:
A lot of people spouting a lot of bollox about a subject they know sfa about.So what if there’s traces? Whoopie do, big deal.
As an example, a country estate manager might have, amongst a fleet of vehicles at his disposal, a Land Rover Defender which rarely goes out onto the road, but because it does, runs on white all the time.
One year the tax & MOT expire on the now aging Land Rover. Manager decides that because there is now a new modern fairly fast tractor in the fleet, the Land Rover no longer needs to go out onto the road. A SORN declaration is submitted to DVLA. As it is now used solely within the private estate it can be run 100% legally on red.
6 months later there is a change of management policy and it is decided the LR once again needs to be used on the road. Filled up with white, serviced with new fuel filters, MOT’d & taxed and out onto the road legally.
This surely must happen.
Point is that the red must be seen/proved to be used on the highway, end of.
Having a tinge on the filters doesn’t prove that the law has been broken.
Probably look a bit suss, though 
Socketset:
Point is that the red must be seen/proved to be used on the highway, end of.
Agree, yet I understand VOSA (edit: I meant HMRC road fuel testing division) sometimes go around privately owned premises such as cattle auctions, haulage co. car parks, etc. dipping vehicles inc. private cars.
Having a tinge on the filters doesn’t prove that the law has been broken.
Probably look a bit suss, though
Indeed. Would suggest you might be more likely for future dippings
Driveroneuk:
Socketset:
Point is that the red must be seen/proved to be used on the highway, end of.Agree, yet I understand VOSA sometimes go around privately owned premises such as cattle auctions, haulage co. car parks, etc. dipping vehicles inc. private cars.
Having a tinge on the filters doesn’t prove that the law has been broken.
Probably look a bit suss, thoughIndeed. Would suggest you might be more likely for future dippings
It’s ■■■■ all to do with VOSA, it’s HMC&E who have a problem with it in the legal sense.
Of course VOSA will have serious issues with anyone running on red, but even if they found a yard full of lorries with tanks full of red they would need to inform HMC&E to bring a prosecution.
Once that prosecution has been made, then VOSA could deal with the company under the good repute promises on their licence, as they would have lost that.
The Police couldn’t even nick you for running on red as it was not that type of law, the same as smuggling, it’s customs that nick you.
That’s my understanding of it anyway?
newmercman:
The Police couldn’t even nick you for running on red as it was not that type of law, the same as smuggling, it’s customs that nick you.That’s my understanding of it anyway?
Just recentley on Police, Camera, Action the police did indeed find a car running on red, they called out HMRC and got a result. In their words…“that was a very positive result, better than we hoped for”. They’d stopped him for revving up and driving fast in some town centre.
Actually it was in NI, and it was green diesel.
Mike-C:
newmercman:
The Police couldn’t even nick you for running on red as it was not that type of law, the same as smuggling, it’s customs that nick you.That’s my understanding of it anyway?
Just recentley on Police, Camera, Action the police did indeed find a car running on red, they called out HMRC and got a result. In their words…“that was a very positive result, better than we hoped for”. They’d stopped him for revving up and driving fast in some town centre.
Actually it was in NI, and it was green diesel.
So did the Police nick him after Customs had confirmed red/green was being used or did Customs nick him?
That’s the bit I’m unsure of, who does the nicking? AFAIK it’s a revenue offence so HMC&E, or whatever they call themselves now, are the ones who police that.
Obviously, I’ve never used rebated fuel on the road in the UK, so haven’t got any first hand knowledge on this subject.
I did recover a seized unit from Chatham Docks once after the driver ‘accidentally’ filled up with red and got captured at Farthing Corner. As I remember the firm paid a fine and release fee, we went down in a van with one empty and one full of white 45gal drums and a pump and were told by Customs to drain the red out of the tank and gtf out of there.
Nobody checked what was in the tanks when we left, which just as well really as two 110gal tanks of red were never going to fit in a 45gal drum 
It was the police that nicked him for it, it was on the telly here. I never seen anything like that before. I thought as you did it was a HMRC jobby. but no, they do nick you for it. The incident i’m talking about they where hoping (or expecting) him to have no insurance etc. but he was fully legit, until they found the fuel.
Well you learn a new thing every day
Driveroneuk:
A lot of people spouting a lot of bollox about a subject they know sfa about.So what if there’s traces? Whoopie do, big deal.
As an example, a country estate manager might have, amongst a fleet of vehicles at his disposal, a Land Rover Defender which rarely goes out onto the road, but because it does, runs on white all the time.
One year the tax & MOT expire on the now aging Land Rover. Manager decides that because there is now a new modern fairly fast tractor in the fleet, the Land Rover no longer needs to go out onto the road. A SORN declaration is submitted to DVLA. As it is now used solely within the private estate it can be run 100% legally on red.
6 months later there is a change of management policy and it is decided the LR once again needs to be used on the road. Filled up with white, serviced with new fuel filters, MOT’d & taxed and out onto the road legally.
I agree,
don’t see the big deal with a tinge of red, with the amount of folk running on heating oil/ kerosene which is iro 10 pence a litre cheaper to buy than red and not quite as easy to spot when mixed with normal white road diesel!
if the truth was told 85% of truck drivers would not even notice when filling up, if you think back not so long ago the truck stop at j 13 m1 got done for selling kerro and another truckstop not that far away from our area was selling washed diesel, it’s not that uncommon infact I pointed this out on another thread about fuelcards some time ago, before the j 13 saga and at the time many that know far more said I was talking bollox
newmercman:
Well you learn a new thing every day
I’m still none the wiser, i just seen it on the telly !!
Mike-C:
newmercman:
Well you learn a new thing every dayI’m still none the wiser, i just seen it on the telly !!
And I read it on the internet
Must be true then…
newmercman:
It’s [zb] all to do with VOSA, it’s HMC&E who have a problem with it in the legal sense.Of course VOSA will have serious issues with anyone running on red, but even if they found a yard full of lorries with tanks full of red they would need to inform HMC&E to bring a prosecution.
Once that prosecution has been made, then VOSA could deal with the company under the good repute promises on their licence, as they would have lost that.
You’re right, my error. People bang on about VOSA that much on here I’ve got them on the brain! I did of course mean HMRC - that’s what they call themselves this week. Her Majesty’s Revenue & Customs.
After Mike C’s statement you could be right after all, VOSA may well have the power to prosecute now. A lot has changed recently.
Probably best to keep away from the red altogether under those circumstances
Karl86:
Honestly it is. Speaking to a driver today he broke down(ran out off diesel) whilst walking to the nearest SOS phone box(must not off had a mobile then) a copper stopped him, asked if it was his lorry and what the problem was. Told him he was out off fuel when the policeman asked what was in the cans on the back, red diesel for the plant. The officer said to use it it’s fine to get him out off trouble aslong as there’s no more than 1/4 off a tankful it’s ok. So chaps just run on 1/4 tank take a few cans off red with you for the frequent top ups and save yourselfs some money.
yeah i had a friend of a friend who is the head of vosas best friend said i can walk into a bank with a gun to make a withdrawal cause im skint til payday ffs what next more bs
As I said earlier if you have run on red anytime there will be traces within your system which are hard to remove.
If you are caught you can be prosecuted unless the laws have changed over the past few years.
The chances of that happening are probably very slim but if a truck is stopped at the side of the road and is running on red then there is a chance the rest of the fleet could be checked this way.
That was the way it used to be and I doubt much has changed.
JJ192:
Karl86:
Honestly it is. Speaking to a driver today he broke down(ran out off diesel) whilst walking to the nearest SOS phone box(must not off had a mobile then) a copper stopped him, asked if it was his lorry and what the problem was. Told him he was out off fuel when the policeman asked what was in the cans on the back, red diesel for the plant. The officer said to use it it’s fine to get him out off trouble aslong as there’s no more than 1/4 off a tankful it’s ok. So chaps just run on 1/4 tank take a few cans off red with you for the frequent top ups and save yourselfs some money.yeah i had a friend of a friend who is the head of vosas best friend said i can walk into a bank with a gun to make a withdrawal cause im skint til payday ffs what next more bs
Do you think he may have been feeding me bull then? I didn’t realise! 
i would honestly say he is feeding you rubbish you read all other comments the police definitely wouldnt of said use red i highly doubt it due to customs and excise regular check points catching fuel tax dodging