green light may mean go but the driver should always check weather it was safe to move off, if you’ve been handed your keys then you know it’s safe to go, ffs some people lack a bit of common sense, some sites may have the office miles away from the loading dock, but some of us could do with the exercise ( myself included ) but you ain’t gonna save any time rolling forward, ( that a minute gone on the digital tacho )
more stringet H&S methods will be brought in.ie undo your red line etc
this ain’t so easy when you’ve got a close couple fridge trailer, i use to go to some depots where you had to take the red line off, put in a line lock, chock the wheels and hand your keys in, even for 1 plt , H & S gone mad,
too many have made it bad for the rest of us, newbies and old hands
I think we need to go back to basics, a zb big stop sign on a pole bolted to this barrier placed in front of the cab.
And a couple of group 4 snipers in the goon tower.
At the back of this airline lock is a coded key that only releases when the lock is fitted, that key is the only thing that will open the loading bay door. Totally idiot proof, but it was designed because of idiots.
If a traffic light turns green but the road is congested, would you run into a car that is passing the junction?
merc0447:
This is the reason drivers are forced to sit in [zb] little portacabins instead of having a snooze on the bunk!!!
no the reason we have to sit in canteen is drivers pulling off on RED lights, with the forkie could injure himself,this driver rolled off bay on a GREEN LIGHT[green is safe to go], forkie couldnt hurt himself as door was shut, GREEN light on, unless he opened door and fell out ,surprised by fact truck wasnt there.
as i say weve been made to sit in canteens due to drivers pulling off on RED lights,not GREEN, h+s leaflets, memo on boards support my theory, green o.k to go, red not safe to go
No the reason we have to sit in a canteens is because the keys are clearly not enough as this incident has proven because this driver could have done the handbrake on a red light. There are 2 safe working practices in place here 1) a red/green light system 2) a hand your keys in system.
For example:
The door goes to green but there is still another pallet, the loader sees the keys on a hook so he reopens the door only for the driver to be pulling off without the keys!
Now there will be a 3rd safe working practice because of this incident; driver has to sit in some [zb] portacabin from now on
i may be wrong but i cant ever remember a forkie getting hurt by a driver moving off a bay on a GREEN LIGHT, but i know of a few close shaves by driver pulling off on red light, so i still say the reason we sit in rest rooms is drivers pulling off on red lights injuring forkies, not drivers pulling/rolling off bays on GREEN LIGHTgreen means go,well thats what the safety leaflets they hand me say
Forkie got killed at Morrisions Bellshill I while back I’m told, one of THIER drivers pulled off a bay and the truck cut an artery in the guys leg, couldnt save him, he bleed to death.
Best policy is Green- paperwork-passout-keys, Always.
if it were a tesco site they clearly state green is go, if the scenario was different and he drove off the bay and the same thing happened then would the outcome be the same? the fact they still had his keys is probably his downfall, you probably find he got stitched up hard lesson to learn but rolling away without keys is a little dumb especially these days with all the h/s. but if he can find the procedures that are usually given when entering the site he should check if it mentions keys, and then check if what he did come under gross misconduct, these days companies carnt just sack you without a full investigation.
Well here’s my two pennies worth…I think the “green means go” people are overseeing a bit of common sense here. My understanding of a green light is simply that the doors are closed, red means they are open. The reason I have this belief is one simple thought…as soon as you back onto the bay, and hand your keys in, it may take 15 minutes before that green light turns to red. In that 15 minute waiting time, it doesn’t mean its still safe to pull off the bay as the loadie may open the door at any point.
And for the bloke who said he didn’t have full control?..of course he did, granted, for a drive on the road and down the motorway, he wouldn’t have, but for a little shunt he definitely did have full control still…you can still brake properly and you can still steer the truck…you have full control for the situation you’re intending.
The only way of knowing you can pull of a bay safely is if the light is green AND you’ve had your keys handed back to you…SIMPLES as some people say.
And with regard to some people calling the driver lazy…that may not be the case…I sometimes release the handbrake with the engine off. But I do it for a different reason other than saving 2 minutes…I do it for fuel reasons. ■■■■ Isotrak and their telematics monitoring my fuel consumption and engine idling!!!
If anyone has tipped/loaded at Amazon Swansea you’ll be aware of the proceedure there.
Once backed on a bay,scotch under trailer wheel,remove red air line and fit locking dummy coupling,lock cab and return keys to airline lock and cab to gatehouse before anyone will get in your trailer.
The only thing they don’t do is weld your trailer to the dock leveller!
Likewise,you do not get the key to the airline lock back until ALL work has ceased in your trailer,when you return the airline lock and scotch to security,then you get your truck keys and paperwork returned.
Then you are SURE you can go.
OTT?
Well I’ve not heard of any accidents so it must work.Anyone can make a mistake,I’m the first to hold my hand up,but when systems are in place to cater for the forgetfulness/stupidity of others to prevent an accident,then there’s good enough reason.
Regarding this offence,what is the disciplinary order?
I would have thought that as no one was injured,and the responsibility was shared,I would have expected nothing worse than a written warning.
Instant dismissal usually comes as a result of gross negligence which stupid though it was,can hardly be described thus.
Hiya…if this keeps happening truck manufactures will make it so the handbrake will not release until the keys are in the ignition.= another gadget to stick on your sweede.
Do any of you remember the chok idea they used at nestles?? it was two metal
scotches welded to a piece of chanel iron, the flt driver would put this under your front wheel. NO chance
of moving !!! you only moved when they felt like the time was right.,30 mins after tipping or loading
The driver was in the wrong… well they always are!!! feel sorry for him . pity is he,ll have plenty
of time to sit around now.
John
I just think that these days with more H&S [zb] than global warming cr@p and nonsense it is kinda common to be over cautious rather than just roll trucks without keys…
Just to cover my own arse I will never roll nothing until I have green lights, papers and keys…
I mean no second-saving movement can be worth any kind of hassle for sure…
I like an easy stress free life really so I rather be shouted at for waiting to long than getting in this kinda trouble…
A well poop happens, the job ain’t what it was any-more… (and I am only a youngster…) it’s ashame he has lost his job but regardless of any site policies and or rules there is also “common sense”…
Wheel Nut:
I think we need to go back to basics, a zb big stop sign on a pole bolted to this barrier placed in front of the cab.
They have that at Wilkos, pallet/concrete block with a stop sign on a pole that looms in front of the windscreen. Guess what … yup, some idiot rolled the truck forward before he should have, and ran it over.
I too think it was right that the driver should have been sacked for what he did, the reality is, until you have the keys to a vehicle you are NOT in possesion of that vehicle & you should not move it.
Ive worked both ends of the job, the loader, & the driver. Its not uncommon in warehouses for loaders to pull the door down. be it if its a chill or ambient place. lets face it, if your working in a place and it blowing a gale, snowing or raining. Id be tempted to close the door to keep the inclement weather out
No keys, no go. Even if you’ve got your keys and it’s on a green I sometimes check the back anyway now.
He shouldn’t be sacked if no one was hurt but a warning should be given not to do it again, bad form in my opinion and I woudn’t blame them if he was sacked, bit harsh though but I always believe in 2nd chances.
Was tipping a container of telly’s once in Leicester and some Eastern European lad came out and told me I was finished, hadn’t been that long but that wasn’t enough to make me check as if they tell you to go, you go don’t you?
They hadn’t had the keys off me and there was no traffic lights on the bay so pulled forward and there was still blokes in the back of it who could’ve been hurt as it was only a twenty foot box and they were still near the back hand balling. Didn’t get the hump too much as it was little Asian style and they don’t have a stick up 'em as much as some of the big business H&S back stabber fellows in my experience but it’s made me a lot more careful nowadays.
I don’t mind them having the keys of me but this is exactly the sort of thing which makes the laws of you can’t sit in you cab and have to sit in this crap little waiting room as some impatient driver last week rolled off the bay on the hand brake.
i think the point of taking keys is so that can change thier minds and put it back on red if thay need to load more or check load ,so i dont think he shud have moved without keys, sack a bit harsh tho
As one who has not often delivered to RDCs and used the Red/Green/Hand your keys in thing as much as you all have; Do you have to stay in that little room that they say or can you, say, go for a walk.
You’re in HiVis, you can’t stay in your cab and having a stretch / bit of an exercise between driving, so is that allowed or is it banned too?
You can go for a wander as long as you don’t sit in the cab although if you are shouted that you’re rady to go and you’re not there, they can get the hump if they need the bay.
Half the time I just sit the cab anyway and go in when i see the red turn to green. You only get found out if the shunter is a jobsworth and grasses you up.
its a very stupid and lazy thing to do…!!! you dont have the keys so why would you risk not being in control and ultimatley killing yourelf or worse someone else…!!!
bestbooties:
If anyone has tipped/loaded at Amazon Swansea you’ll be aware of the proceedure there.
Once backed on a bay,scotch under trailer wheel,remove red air line and fit locking dummy coupling,lock cab and return keys to airline lock and cab to gatehouse before anyone will get in your trailer. The only thing they don’t do is weld your trailer to the dock leveller!
Half the time I just sit the cab anyway and go in when i see the red turn to green. You only get found out if the shunter is a jobsworth and grasses you up.
