Juddian:
Exactly my point, you know exactly what you are getting with SNP.
More like a Soviet Socialist Party masquerading as a Nationalist one.All on the basis of a deliberate anomaly in the electoral system which gives them 56 seats for less than 1 million votes.
The EU has been around for decades now and the level of indoctrination is going to be at high levels for some, depending on the degree of gullibility they’re susceptible to.
The EU isn’t some kind of conspiracy theory, it’s there, it’s visible and you don’t have to search hard to find out what it really is. Documentaries such as ‘Brexit the Movie’ explain it. It starts by warning against its anti-democratic nature, the dissolving of nation states and that if we stay in the EU there will never be another referendum. It warns of the huge amount of corruption, its elitist nature and vast bureaucracy churning out endless directives and regulations. It’s not referred to as the EUSSR for nothing.
The EU similar to the old USSR? A bit strong and surely not. Let an ex-Soviet defector explain the similarities.
Some will refuse to believe it and that’s normal. Millions were still cheering on Gordon Brown and believed his media title of ‘The greatest chancellor in history’ even while the 2008 recession was occurring. The same happened in the USSR that promised the workers would rule the world with Russia at its head. Most already knew the truth, but it left millions stupefied after what they’d been taught for decades. The EU is no different and its propaganda department spends millions every year promoting itself, politely called the EU information and communication strategy.
Then again, you could go to the remainers themselves who will warn of the dangers of leaving, but stay clear of why we should remain. These bizarre opinions range from starving, a Commissioner who says he’s in touch with other planets and a rise in ‘dogging.’ Most will just state that without the EU as a trading block we can’t survive, but not mention countries like Norway or Switzerland who are doing very well without joining, or those countries who previously had referendums, voted no and were ignored or forced to vote again until they voted ‘yes’.
In other words, instead of refusing to accept what the EU is, think about what it is in reality. Think about the economic stagnation inside the EU, the declining standards of living in formerly rich western countries and the failed utopia promise of an equality based multicultural paradise.
Here are two vids. The first highlights the manipulation of young remainer people and those in the background pulling the strings. Twelve minutes long. The second is The Brexit Movie itself at just over an hour long. Settle yourself down for this one and learn what you’ve been led into by the politicians. If you believe that what you’re seeing and hearing in the first video isn’t manipulation, or what you see in the second video can’t be true, then that’s fair enough. It’s for everyone to make their own minds up, but here’s the evidence.
We are never getting out, it’s simple then ■■■■■■■ have had control of this country since the late 1930’s! Forget your vote matters it’s theatre for weak minds, a side show distraction whatever you want to call it!
Stop wasting energy & time on something you cannot ever control, change or influence & set about making yours & those close to you, family’s life better in whatever ways we can! Your life will improve no end whether we are told we’re in or out.
Carryfast:
Franglais:
"Brexit the movie is a 2016 propaganda film…… anyone with half a brain would call it facts.
I might agree with that.
dbk23:
We are never getting out, it’s simple then [zb] have had control of this country since the late 1930’s! Forget your vote matters it’s theatre for weak minds, a side show distraction whatever you want to call it!Stop wasting energy & time on something you cannot ever control, change or influence & set about making yours & those close to you, family’s life better in whatever ways we can! Your life will improve no end whether we are told we’re in or out.
That.
Is a very good philosophy, the last 3.5 years should have proved to even the most brainwashed consumer of mass media that the whole bloody political thing is a charade, and this election will once again, incredibly after all that has gone on, put the same bunch of self serving parasites back into parliament.
Those ageing parasites which get booted out or retire disgracefully will either slip into nice little earners as rewards for services rendered, the better placed of them will get peerages to the house of lords gravy train…with one or two honourably exceptions such as Kate Hoey and Dennis Skinner, genuine representatives of their constituencies and who could not be bought off.
I wholeheartedly agree with you, after a lifetime of voting, the last (May’s) election i couldn’t be arsed because not one party were worth the time of day, but all previous elections i have participated, my first outing to vote was in the 1973 (or was it 75) referendum on the common market in which i voted NO/OUT.
If we are forced into another referendum i shall once again vote Leave/Out, but like you i’ve given up now on us actually leaving the EU properly, our democracy is dead.
Apart from that, i shall not bother voting again either, and i shall withdraw from all political discussions etc because there as you rightly say is no point, i might stagger up the polling booth and wrote ■■■■■■■■ on the slip, but that’s about as much as i can be arsed with any of them after this.
Grandpa:
The EU has been around for decades now and the level of indoctrination is going to be at high levels for some, depending on the degree of gullibility they’re susceptible to.The EU isn’t some kind of conspiracy theory, it’s there, it’s visible and you don’t have to search hard to find out what it really is. Documentaries such as ‘Brexit the Movie’ explain it. It starts by warning against its anti-democratic nature, the dissolving of nation states and that if we stay in the EU there will never be another referendum. It warns of the huge amount of corruption, its elitist nature and vast bureaucracy churning out endless directives and regulations. It’s not referred to as the EUSSR for nothing.
The EU similar to the old USSR? A bit strong and surely not. Let an ex-Soviet defector explain the similarities.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=92Vjc_PeYtc
Some will refuse to believe it and that’s normal. Millions were still cheering on Gordon Brown and believed his media title of ‘The greatest chancellor in history’ even while the 2008 recession was occurring. The same happened in the USSR that promised the workers would rule the world with Russia at its head. Most already knew the truth, but it left millions stupefied after what they’d been taught for decades. The EU is no different and its propaganda department spends millions every year promoting itself, politely called the EU information and communication strategy.
Then again, you could go to the remainers themselves who will warn of the dangers of leaving, but stay clear of why we should remain. These bizarre opinions range from starving, a Commissioner who says he’s in touch with other planets and a rise in ‘dogging.’ Most will just state that without the EU as a trading block we can’t survive, but not mention countries like Norway or Switzerland who are doing very well without joining, or those countries who previously had referendums, voted no and were ignored or forced to vote again until they voted ‘yes’.
In other words, instead of refusing to accept what the EU is, think about what it is in reality. Think about the economic stagnation inside the EU, the declining standards of living in formerly rich western countries and the failed utopia promise of an equality based multicultural paradise.
Here are two vids. The first highlights the manipulation of young remainer people and those in the background pulling the strings. Twelve minutes long. The second is The Brexit Movie itself at just over an hour long. Settle yourself down for this one and learn what you’ve been led into by the politicians. If you believe that what you’re seeing and hearing in the first video isn’t manipulation, or what you see in the second video can’t be true, then that’s fair enough. It’s for everyone to make their own minds up, but here’s the evidence.
“It’s like dèjà vu, all over again”
Yogi Berra.
If GrandPa wants to repeat his posts and videos from May in the “What is the EU?” thread, maybe he’d be kind enough to cut and paste my replies, to save me the effort.
Thanks in advance.
Franglais:
Grandpa:
The EU has been around for decades now and the level of indoctrination is going to be at high levels for some, depending on the degree of gullibility they’re susceptible to.The EU isn’t some kind of conspiracy theory, it’s there, it’s visible and you don’t have to search hard to find out what it really is. Documentaries such as ‘Brexit the Movie’ explain it. It starts by warning against its anti-democratic nature, the dissolving of nation states and that if we stay in the EU there will never be another referendum. It warns of the huge amount of corruption, its elitist nature and vast bureaucracy churning out endless directives and regulations. It’s not referred to as the EUSSR for nothing.
The EU similar to the old USSR? A bit strong and surely not. Let an ex-Soviet defector explain the similarities.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=92Vjc_PeYtc
Some will refuse to believe it and that’s normal. Millions were still cheering on Gordon Brown and believed his media title of ‘The greatest chancellor in history’ even while the 2008 recession was occurring. The same happened in the USSR that promised the workers would rule the world with Russia at its head. Most already knew the truth, but it left millions stupefied after what they’d been taught for decades. The EU is no different and its propaganda department spends millions every year promoting itself, politely called the EU information and communication strategy.
Then again, you could go to the remainers themselves who will warn of the dangers of leaving, but stay clear of why we should remain. These bizarre opinions range from starving, a Commissioner who says he’s in touch with other planets and a rise in ‘dogging.’ Most will just state that without the EU as a trading block we can’t survive, but not mention countries like Norway or Switzerland who are doing very well without joining, or those countries who previously had referendums, voted no and were ignored or forced to vote again until they voted ‘yes’.
In other words, instead of refusing to accept what the EU is, think about what it is in reality. Think about the economic stagnation inside the EU, the declining standards of living in formerly rich western countries and the failed utopia promise of an equality based multicultural paradise.
Here are two vids. The first highlights the manipulation of young remainer people and those in the background pulling the strings. Twelve minutes long. The second is The Brexit Movie itself at just over an hour long. Settle yourself down for this one and learn what you’ve been led into by the politicians. If you believe that what you’re seeing and hearing in the first video isn’t manipulation, or what you see in the second video can’t be true, then that’s fair enough. It’s for everyone to make their own minds up, but here’s the evidence.
“It’s like dèjà vu, all over again”
Yogi Berra.
If GrandPa wants to repeat his posts and videos from May in the “What is the EU?” thread, maybe he’d be kind enough to cut and paste my replies, to save me the effort.
Thanks in advance.
Some will have seen this and some won’t. Just as others will think about what is being said and others will ignore what to most is pretty obvious by now. I put my point across and at times I repeat myself. It’s up to each to make a decision based on what they read and see. You’ve obviously been suckered into the remain hype, it’s your choice.
It’s true to say that if voting won’t change anything then there’s little left to hope for. I’ll take dbk23’s line on this and his implied batten down the hatches stance. I’ll add, downsize and start to cut back. Prepare for the long haul and stop chasing the short term money jobs. Look ahead and try to get yourself into as near a recession proof job as you can, whether that’s in or out of transport. No one knows when it will go ■■■■ up, but try and make a soft landing for yourself and family when it does.
The bottom line is that we’d all LOVE the EU and being in it - IF we got looked after by the superstate it wants to be.
Trouble is, it is a socialist union just like the Soviet Union was. The most productive states - pay the most in, and the least productive states - will somehow always “beggar thy neighbor” to make sure they stay on the “taking out” side, rather than advance to the level where they’d have to “pay back their student debt” or “get that average-paid job that pays less than tax free benefits for not working at all” kinda thing.
The EU could have decided that “since the UK’s NHS is such a high regarded socialist flagship - WE will fund it by releasing additional rebate monies, with every citizen in not just the EU - but WORLD WIDE able to go to Britain, and be treated for Free by our dreamboat socialist-invented NHS being run there. Yes. Let us, the world’s premimer socialist state - fully fund the NHS to make the EU itself more loveable AS a socialist state.”
No dice though, alas…
When Britain voted to leave by a small margin in 2016 - the EU could have won us over without the need for a second referendum - by just being NICER to Britain.
Instead, the EU budget just climbs and climbs - with Britain under increasing pressure alongside France, Germany and Italy - to pay in for that over-expansion taking place at the other end.
The EU could have let Ukraine go - “Unable to assimilate it, as the rest of the EU cannot afford to take on a previously-owned-by-Russia State”.
The EU could have ruled out making friends with our enemies, and other rogue states that intend us harm. But no.
The EU could have offered this country DOUBLE rebate - to vote Labour - but no.
The EU could have promised to underwrite Labour’s lofty spending plans - but no.
There is no reason whatsoever for people to support staying in the EU then - UNLESS the EU pays YOU DIRECTLY to hold that opinion, or at very least - pays someone else in your household hefty wages to have that opinion.
Meanwhile, the 1% Elites continue to keep the 47% Brainwashed in tow, mores the pity… 
Franglais:
Carryfast:
Franglais:
"Brexit the movie is a 2016 propaganda film…… anyone with half a brain would call it facts.
I might agree with that.
Then you’d be contradicting yourself.Because you said anyone with half a brain would call it propaganda and as we know propaganda is usually based on untruths not facts and which is the type of propaganda you meant.
Carryfast:
Franglais:
Carryfast:
Franglais:
"Brexit the movie is a 2016 propaganda film…… anyone with half a brain would call it facts.
I might agree with that.
Then you’d be contradicting yourself.Because you said anyone with half a brain would call it propaganda and as we know propaganda is usually based on untruths not facts and which is the type of propaganda you meant.
Propaganda does not need to be lies. The most effective type uses a mix of truth, half truth and inuendo. It omits relevant counter arguments. .
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And I concede:
I believed and said, that anyone with half a brain, could work out for themselves that the movie was propaganda. I was wrong.
I apologise.
Clearly, I overestimated the ability of some.
The Brexit movie doesn’t seek to convince, but like any other documentary it explains. It can’t give balanced factual viewpoints or counter arguments based on facts because the EU is based on opinions and beliefs, but what it does do is dispel those opinions and beliefs with facts.
If an organization’s central aims are anti-democratic, the removal of national sovereignty, open borders and a European parliament that is powerless to make legislative changes, with no further referendums if a population vote for it … It takes a great degree of faith (or indoctrination) to believe it’s not true and so the facts are dismissed with cries of propaganda, or people being stupid and not understanding the issues involved in Brexit. Even the EU itself doesn’t disagree with what it is, it just ignores it and it’s why Brexit happened.
Franglais:
I was wrong.
I apologise.
Clearly, I overestimated the ability of some.
No you clearly contradicted yourself because you are a Federalist and therefore can only believe your own propaganda.
Omits relevant counter arguments you know like Venus was cooked by its distance from the Sun combined with its atmospheric pressure not because it’s atmosphere is made up of too much CO2.Let alone the fact that our atmospheric CO2 level couldn’t get anywhere within a fraction of a percent of that even if we burnt all the remaining fossil fuel reserves.
Or the fact that paying a net contribution for the privilege of a massive trade deficit and being ruled by scumbags like Juncker,among others who we have no democratic control over,as part of the EU Federal government,isn’t a good deal for us.
Grandpa:
The Brexit movie doesn’t seek to convince, but like any other documentary it explains. It can’t give balanced factual viewpoints or counter arguments based on facts because the EU is based on opinions and beliefs, but what it does do is dispel those opinions and beliefs with facts.
Obviously inconvenient facts to the Federalists so as usual they just ignore them just like they ignore any calls for secession.Nothing new there.
Franglais:
Sand Fisher:
Juddian:
Successive electorates voted overwhelmingly for the 2.5 parties, who once again are bribing the same electorate with trinkets, who once again will put the same charlatans back in the commons, and wonder why nothing’s changed, turkeys Christmas.We deserve to get shafted, no matter how many times they prove themselves unfit to rule we keep voting them back in, it’s been going on for decades and i can’t see it changing any time soon.
Keep doing the same thing and expecting a different result, a sure definition of lunacy, the country is certifiable.The country will change dramatically, within 20 years it will be unrecognisable from now, just as it is today compared with 20 years ago, because the electorate continue to believe those who have proved themselves untrustworthy every time, we’ve got election manifestos published once again, why would anyone believe a single word written within? they were all elected last time on enacting the will of the people manifestos, completely discredited yet people still believe, are they putting something in the water to make the population compliant or what?
Ironically the only parties telling the truth are the Libs and Wee Jimmie Krankie’s mob, they intend to completely destroy Brexit, just like the cons and labour intend, but to their credit the libs and jocks are straight about their anti democracy.
The ‘Jocks’ as you put it are not telling the truth. The SNP clearly manage to fool the BBC and others about ‘Scotland’. The NHS is in dire straits up here, worse than England, the roads are shocking, we still have this stupid 40mph b0110cks and constant constant whinging about Britain this, Boris that, Brexit this, Tories that. The SNP is the Scottish ■■■■ Party or the Scottish Nasty Party - take your pick - of deluded individuals and their heather coloured spectacles. Once led by a former leader currently due to stand trial on multiple ■■■■■■ and ■■■■ allegations and now by another deluded woman who has at least sussed out Mad Red Jezza and is offering her ‘support’ in exchange for leaving Faslane and taking the nuke boats away. If they were so wonderful why don’t they just run their country properly? They are an utter shower of power crazed nutters who bang on about independence. They only want to be in the EU because it gives them money!
Scotland is in a hell of a state, largely because it has no middle class and the SNP are in essence Socialist anyway. If they ever got independence it would be a basket case because it would need to be high taxed in order to meet the vast social policies. They’d be a hard border with England and prices would sky rocket as would unemployment. If they concentrated on getting their own country straight first they’d be more respect for them. All of the country’s ills are blamed on the English blah de blah de blah. They are Britain’s whingers.
Fact: Whenever someone allegedly commits a crime the person on BBC news is always referred to as coming from Dundee, Glasgow or wherever they are from - unless they are English. Then it is never Manchester or London or whatever town but always ‘south of the border’.
You are against the idea of high tax/high welfare then?
What is it about this “Scandinavian mode*l” you dislike so much?Edit
*cue comments on Larssen YouTube
Her…eyelashes…are more believable than GrandPa’s vid.!
No not particularly against it, I have had experience of it in Sweden. What I don’t like about the SNP is the anti English racism. Every problem is down to the English, Westminster or the Tories. Really.
With Scotland how do they expect to survive when the middle class is so thin? If you tax the very few wealthy earners you’ll just force them away/out and you’ll be left with a neds economy.
Some would argue Scotland is already a ‘Neds economy’.
Juddian:
Sand Fisher:
Juddian:
The ‘Jocks’ as you put it are not telling the truth. The SNP clearly manage to fool the BBC and others about ‘Scotland’. The NHS is in dire straits up here, worse than England, the roads are shocking, we still have this stupid 40mph b0110cks and constant constant whinging about Britain this, Boris that, Brexit this, Tories that. The SNP is the Scottish ■■■■ Party or the Scottish Nasty Party - take your pick - of deluded individuals and their heather coloured spectacles. Once led by a former leader currently due to stand trial on multiple ■■■■■■ and ■■■■ allegations and now by another deluded woman who has at least sussed out Mad Red Jezza and is offering her ‘support’ in exchange for leaving Faslane and taking the nuke boats away. If they were so wonderful why don’t they just run their country properly? They are an utter shower of power crazed nutters who bang on about independence. They only want to be in the EU because it gives them money!
Scotland is in a hell of a state, largely because it has no middle class and the SNP are in essence Socialist anyway. If they ever got independence it would be a basket case because it would need to be high taxed in order to meet the vast social policies. They’d be a hard border with England and prices would sky rocket as would unemployment. If they concentrated on getting their own country straight first they’d be more respect for them. All of the country’s ills are blamed on the English blah de blah de blah. They are Britain’s whingers.
Fact: Whenever someone allegedly commits a crime the person on BBC news is always referred to as coming from Dundee, Glasgow or wherever they are from - unless they are English. Then it is never Manchester or London or whatever town but always ‘south of the border’.
Exactly my point, you know exactly what you are getting with SNP.
I’d rather parties were like this where you know what you are getting, rather than the tory party of the last 3 decades, which claims to be conservative yet conserves nothing, and has once again tried to outplay the others with lefty identity politics, not to mention paying homage (will anyone ever forget that disturbing on so many levels picture of Gove, and Milliband the strange gazing in awe at St Greta preaching from her leader’s hymnsheet) to the global climate warming scam, another load of cobblers designed to raise massive amounts of taxes and keep otherwise unemployable people in lucrative non jobs.
Juddian, are you saying it is a scam or that the Tories response to it is a scam?
IF Juddian isn’t I am!..jstor.org/stable/285728?seq=1
public.wmo.int/en/our-mandate/climate/el-niñola-niña-update
Juddian:
Whats the complaint, people have been voting like turkeys for their own (bribed by charlatans with money borrowed in their childrens names) Christmas for years, when it was as obvious as the nose on your face that we’ve been round the U bend for decades, you only have to look at the national debt to realise that.If you tried to run a house without making anything to sell and instead borrowing more and more every year until the debt was several times more than the house was worth, meanwhile you invited more people to live in your house who never contributed to add to the burden, you’d have been evicted years ago.
Meanwhile, in the modern west we have a system, it applies in govts and right down to individual companies, that system is we the elite decide what the system will be, and when the system is proved year on year not to be working we double down and do more of it until it does work, when it again doesn’t work we double down further still and enact laws that stating the bleeding obvious is something along the lines of hate speech.
For what we are about to receive we have never been more deserving.
That is essentially bang on, throw a big dose of psychological problems into that same mix and we have what is becoming to be known as “The Perfect Storm” Many old sages and social, political commentators are now coming around to the same conclusion, along with some Zen Masters…….Conclusion is:
What we are going to see will not be nice, nor will it be good, it can never end well because of the way it is right now in the Western World and that is in every aspect of our civilisation……That is what they are all saying but will not say exactly what will happen, as they don`t know.
One popular theory right now is that we are so angry and at each others throats, that we need a common enemy/issue to unite us once more and remind us of why we are actually here…That could be a Global War/Conflict or an Alien Invasion…My money is on neither of those, despite the fact Global Conflict is long overdue…My money is on the weather/environment and how sudden changes will truly change the way we live very soon.
The SNP is another weird like political creation similar to the EU and totally at odds with reality. The SNP isn’t nationalist, it’s socialist. You can’t be a nationalist and want a proud independent country if having got it you then want to give away that independence to join a collectivized group of countries run by EU Commissioners who want to abolish your national sovereignty.
Nationalism goes against everything the EU stands for. If the Scottish supporting the SNP think that joining the EU will make them both independent and prosperous, it will be the first time that happened to any EU member country. It’s no surprise that the SNP have got themselves mixed up with socialist Corbyn; they’re one and the same, but use nationalism as a distraction in the same way that the EU activists use calls for a referendum to try to prove they’re democratic (The people’s vote), because the previous one didn’t get the required results.
That is essentially bang on, throw a big dose of psychological problems into that same mix and we have what is becoming to be known as “The Perfect Storm” Many old sages and social, political commentators are now coming around to the same conclusion, along with some Zen Masters…….Conclusion is:
What we are going to see will not be nice, nor will it be good, it can never end well because of the way it is right now in the Western World and that is in every aspect of our civilisation……That is what they are all saying but will not say exactly what will happen, as they don`t know.
One popular theory right now is that we are so angry and at each others throats, that we need a common enemy/issue to unite us once more and remind us of why we are actually here…That could be a Global War/Conflict or an Alien Invasion…My money is on neither of those, despite the fact Global Conflict is long overdue…My money is on the weather/environment and how sudden changes will truly change the way we live very soon.
It shouldn’t really come as a surprise. Empires have a history of failure and it’s in their nature to rise and fall. There is a truism that states once an empire or civilization falls, it can never regain its former status. Even the U.S is now seeing its world dominance decline and there will never be another USSR, or British Empire. During the period of a rise, it’s in the interests of any dominant country to find a common enemy to unite against to keep the population on its toes and so prevent the rise of challengers. Your risk of attack by other countries, or the global warming hoax is a perfect example and the anger is a natural by-product of decline. My money is on war and especially one created by America if it doesn’t learn lessons from history and chooses to go down fighting.
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