The EEC was always the same thing as the EU it’s all in the Treaty of Rome and it’s also why Heath hid FCO 30/1048.Just as Powell and Benn and Shore warned.Sweden is in the EU and has a totally different view to our government of how to run a road transport industry at least in terms of not crippling it with silly productivety limits.Add the use of red diesel to that model problem solved.
I’m afraid not. One was economic and the other political, although many realized where it would eventually lead. They were right. Red diesel is very unlikely to happen, because in a standardized EU, all the other countries would demand the same and governments would lose too much tax. The core problem is the introduction of mass economic migration within open EU borders and the competitiveness which drives countries down to the lowest common denominator. That’s happening throughout all the formerly rich western European countries. Until that ends and the EU recognizes nation states as sovereign entities, it will never get any better.
The difference between economic and political is that the EU refutes national sovereignty and sees Europe as an equality based Federation. Obviously, as countries such as Romania or Poland can’t economically compete against countries like Britain or Germany, we now have to compete against Romania and Poland. Often referred to as ‘the race to the bottom.’
Very few now dispute that Britain is heading for a recession. The German economy, once the powerhouse of Europe is bordering on recession and the French economy is stagnating. As long as we keep believing in this political hype of multiculturalism and equality as an ideal that benefits us, the more we’ll be dragged down along with Europe. In other words, it’s not just the UK that is declining, all the formerly relatively wealthy countries that let themselves get politically involved with the EU are declining too.
Sweden is not doing as well as imagined.
‘Today it is ultimately the European Court of Justice that determines whether an obstacle is to be regarded as ac-ceptable or not. It was this review that the Swedish trade union movement lost in the Laval case when the European Court of Justice found that demanding equal treatment was an unacceptable obstacle to the free movement of services.’
‘If you import the third world in large enough numbers you will become the third world. Swedish politician Anders Borg, the former Minister of Finance, thinks that Sweden losing its cultural identity is a good thing. Back in 2013 he said that?”Sweden belongs to the immigrants, not the Swedes.” A UN report has revealed that Sweden by 2030 will have lost everything that attracted the immigrants in the first place. Sweden will certainly belong to the immigrants by then but it won’t be a country worth having.’
Sweden is fast becoming a basket case, and you would think that people here would have the sense to realise we are heading in exactly the same direction, and it’s now too little too late to stop the inevitable.
Our old bill can’t handle a bunch of wannabe teenage gangsters in B’ham when they decided to invade a cinema, nor make any attempt to stop our bestest mates the non members of the caravan club from doing their worse everywhere they go, better make your own lives and abodes as secure as possible, and if you can…as so many have in recent years…got away from what those of us with the ability to still think know in our hearts is coming soon, before it kicks off big time.
sweden will survive longer than it should before being overwhelmed by immigrants as apart from the major cities and areas that the great unwashed congregate in then it is a massive sparsely populated country by the indigenous swedes and in general terms to the uk they have a much higher standard of living to afford to keep the immigrants from surrounding them.
apart from the powers that be and grotty thunderbags then anyone you would mostly normally interact with is of a similar opinion that they are not welcome,and that their leaders are a disgrace and are running their country down the pan in the same direction as the uk.
the schools have had to change their usual xmas type religious festivals from their curriculum and same as here if there is any conflict with a non pink swede then its instantly racist with the swede being the loser.
swedes in general are proud of their country,they keep it neat and unlittered and have great lifestyles compared to their uk equivelant and its obvious they are sorely grieved to see the muslims creaming all the benefits they are not entitled to.
Interestingly the guy who set up Clipper logistics is looking to take it private, due to the short term view taken by the Stock Market (plus drop in share price)
The problem most public listed companies face is the constant need to satisfy the “City’s” greed for dividends and higher share value. While old style small company is just trying to make a decent living, like the rest of us.
Oh and sons taking on businesses from their fathers, Edward Stobart did a reasonable job building the company after taking over from Eddie snr.
Grandpa:
Fishing was one example where Britain’s fishing industry was farmed out for the exclusive use of others.
I assume you mean the fishing quotas that were given to British fishermen who promptly sold them on so they could sit all day in the pub instead?
The fishing quotas were given to other European countries because being in the EU meant we gave away the rights to the 12 mile fishing rights around the coast. Yep, the few fishermen left are loving it, sitting in the pub on the dole.
Grandpa, what you have said is not true in any way…
Many of the remaining UK boats struggle to get UK crews…
A bloke I knew signed on as crew on a boat operating out of the Isle of Man. First time out, first time out with the nets, and his ear was sliced off by a wire. They told him not to be a baby, and get on with his work!
Juddian:
Sweden is fast becoming a basket case, and you would think that people here would have the sense to realise we are heading in exactly the same direction, and it’s now too little too late to stop the inevitable.
Our old bill can’t handle a bunch of wannabe teenage gangsters in B’ham when they decided to invade a cinema, nor make any attempt to stop our bestest mates the non members of the caravan club from doing their worse everywhere they go, better make your own lives and abodes as secure as possible, and if you can…as so many have in recent years…got away from what those of us with the ability to still think know in our hearts is coming soon, before it kicks off big time.
Well put …
What we need to remember is that we the older generation didn’t create the social or labour dog eat dog anarchy that you see around you now. Don’t blame us, you the younger clueless generation made it possible with your dreams of an EU utopia (EUSSR) based on attracting millions of economic migrants and the third world and not realizing the consequences that would produce, including the social impact of a huge increase in terrorism, the crime wave, the drugs epidemic …
Not just in Britain, but throughout Europe, the faithful are now beginning to scratch their heads as haulage companies go bust, wages stagnate, jobs become tests of physical endurance, yet still believe the politicians that tell them we need more competition and immigration and think that’s a change for the better. How gullible or just plain stupid do you have to be to believe this nonsense? From an increase in dogging to aliens warning us against Brexit; you couldn’t make this up!
‘A No Deal Brexit could see a rise in Dogging among lorry drivers who get stuck in long queues, a minister has predicted.’
‘I saw and heard and listened some of the other planet leaders …’
Grandpa:
Fishing was one example where Britain’s fishing industry was farmed out for the exclusive use of others.
I assume you mean the fishing quotas that were given to British fishermen who promptly sold them on so they could sit all day in the pub instead?
The fishing quotas were given to other European countries because being in the EU meant we gave away the rights to the 12 mile fishing rights around the coast. Yep, the few fishermen left are loving it, sitting in the pub on the dole.
Grandpa, what you have said is not true in any way…
I’m afraid it is. It’s why a small portion of fish (probably imported) from an island surrounded by water now costs more than steak.
The EEC was always the same thing as the EU it’s all in the Treaty of Rome and it’s also why Heath hid FCO 30/1048.Just as Powell and Benn and Shore warned.Sweden is in the EU and has a totally different view to our government of how to run a road transport industry at least in terms of not crippling it with silly productivety limits.Add the use of red diesel to that model problem solved.
I’m afraid not. One was economic and the other political, although many realized where it would eventually lead. They were right. Red diesel is very unlikely to happen, because in a standardized EU, all the other countries would demand the same and governments would lose too much tax. The core problem is the introduction of mass economic migration within open EU borders and the competitiveness which drives countries down to the lowest common denominator. That’s happening throughout all the formerly rich western European countries. Until that ends and the EU recognizes nation states as sovereign entities, it will never get any better.
The difference between economic and political is that the EU refutes national sovereignty and sees Europe as an equality based Federation. Obviously, as countries such as Romania or Poland can’t economically compete against countries like Britain or Germany, we now have to compete against Romania and Poland. Often referred to as ‘the race to the bottom.’
Very few now dispute that Britain is heading for a recession. The German economy, once the powerhouse of Europe is bordering on recession and the French economy is stagnating. As long as we keep believing in this political hype of multiculturalism and equality as an ideal that benefits us, the more we’ll be dragged down along with Europe. In other words, it’s not just the UK that is declining, all the formerly relatively wealthy countries that let themselves get politically involved with the EU are declining too.
Sweden is not doing as well as imagined.
The Swedish Trade Union Confederation - The EU needs to be changed! ‘Today it is ultimately the European Court of Justice that determines whether an obstacle is to be regarded as ac-ceptable or not. It was this review that the Swedish trade union movement lost in the Laval case when the European Court of Justice found that demanding equal treatment was an unacceptable obstacle to the free movement of services.’
The BFD | Your One Source of Truth ‘If you import the third world in large enough numbers you will become the third world. Swedish politician Anders Borg, the former Minister of Finance, thinks that Sweden losing its cultural identity is a good thing. Back in 2013 he said that?”Sweden belongs to the immigrants, not the Swedes.” A UN report has revealed that Sweden by 2030 will have lost everything that attracted the immigrants in the first place. Sweden will certainly belong to the immigrants by then but it won’t be a country worth having.’
Why would a supposed ‘economic’ arrangement require a ‘parliamentary assembly’ or contain the statement ‘’ ever closer union’’ ?.
The point of the use of red diesel for commercial road transport use,being stopped by EU membership,is an interesting one.But arguably invalid in that duty and VAT rates are obviously controlled by member states as in the case of the difference in such taxation between Lux and UK for example.But still we have turkeys voting for Christmas in supporting the imposition of massive road fuel taxation on the industry.At the obvious cost to the industry’s viability.
As for Sweden ( and Australia/NZ ) I was specifically referring to their respective much more relaxed road transport regulation.In terms of vehicle types allowed and the corresponding increased viability of their long haul/trunking industry sectors.
While if you want the industry to be relegated to zb quality local work,in which drivers are increasingly more labourers etc etc than drivers,then high industry specific fuel taxation and ridiculously limited payloads is the best way of achieving that.As we’re seeing.
Many of the remaining UK boats struggle to get UK crews…
A bloke I knew signed on as crew on a boat operating out of the Isle of Man. First time out, first time out with the nets, and his ear was sliced off by a wire. They told him not to be a baby, and get on with his work!
I used to work with a bloke who was pleased they shut the coal mines and destroyed vast swathes of mainly working class communities in the process, he too was of the opinion the work was awful, mind he was the most selfish greediest unpleasant arse it’s ever been my displeasure to meet.
Well, some bugger’s still digging or (more likely) drag lining coal in other countries, and some other buggers are out on foreign trawlers taking fish from what were once UK waters before the Tories, once again , surrendered our grounds and decent people’s very livelihood in order to feather their own nests and those of their paymasters, a pox on them and their heirs.
Some jobs might be horrible, and they might require a bit of, you know, unfashionable manliness to cope with (no doubt some tougher than the average women have fished too), but they provide decent livings for those up to the job and ongoing real jobs in the communities that support said industries.
Grandpa:
I’m afraid it is. It’s why a small portion of fish (probably imported) from an island surrounded by water now costs more than steak.
Ironically the costs and dangers involved in fishing probably never being properly reflected in the cost of the product.IE fishing crews risking their lives for days away from home for a lot less return than beef farming.
But the fate of the fishing industry shows the difference in the Canadian and Icelandic governments kicking our fishing fleet out of our centuries used fishing grounds in international waters like Grand Banks and around Iceland.While our government says our waters are open for all up to our coast.
Many of the remaining UK boats struggle to get UK crews…
A bloke I knew signed on as crew on a boat operating out of the Isle of Man. First time out, first time out with the nets, and his ear was sliced off by a wire. They told him not to be a baby, and get on with his work!
I used to work with a bloke who was pleased they shut the coal mines and destroyed vast swathes of mainly working class communities in the process, he too was of the opinion the work was awful, mind he was the most selfish greediest unpleasant arse it’s ever been my displeasure to meet.
Well, some bugger’s still digging or (more likely) drag lining coal in other countries, and some other buggers are out on foreign trawlers taking fish from what were once UK waters before the Tories, once again , surrendered our grounds and decent people’s very livelihood in order to feather their own nests and those of their paymasters, a pox on them and their heirs.
Some jobs might be horrible, and they might require a bit of, you know, unfashionable manliness to cope with (no doubt some tougher than the average women have fished too), but they provide decent livings for those up to the job and ongoing real jobs in the communities that support said industries.
Too few people doing too much work,too long on the job exposed to danger,too much macho bs meaning people not wanting to stay in or entering the industry, meaning too few people …There’s a pattern there especially in the case of mining and fishing.That combined with a bunch of traitors masquerading as our government and here we are.
That if it ever does collapse this thread will still be droning on and on.
We can all get fooled, but how long do we need to stay in the EU to acknowledge the obvious? Having lived abroad, I have many friends from different nationalities, predominantly Germans and Swedes. Everyone is saying the same thing. It’s no different from the UK in their countries either. I suspect what makes these kind of threads go on, is that the majority know and the minority still believe the promises of the politicians and think what is happening is normal.
It’s not that the economy will collapse per se, but slowly it will decline until we’re at the state of the East European countries and at that point we’ll get plenty of those now cheering it all on complaining that they didn’t realize what was happening, no one else knew either and start the blame game. No one is forced to read what is said here, or reply, it’s an individual choice, but does appear a popular subject.
On a personal note:
I’m still getting texts from agencies. The latest is an ‘easy run’ to Fradley (Litchfield palletways) x2. I shuddered and politely replied, ‘no thank you.’
Tonight I start a two night induction in a recession proof occupation, also subject to a probationary period, so not guaranteed, but probable. O/T after 38½ hours, average 50/55 hours a week, including night/day/weekend call out, but a one minute walk from where I live. It’s not driving, but why would I not take that? Of course, it’s nowhere near the HGV rates now being offered in the run up to Christmas, but those are seasonal rates and its back to the £10/11 an hour after that and for a grueling work life. That won’t get better, it will get worse and for the one’s now cheering on the gig economy – you go and do it!
That if it ever does collapse this thread will still be droning on and on.
We can all get fooled, but how long do we need to stay in the EU to acknowledge the obvious? Having lived abroad, I have many friends from different nationalities, predominantly Germans and Swedes. Everyone is saying the same thing. It’s no different from the UK in their countries either. I suspect what makes these kind of threads go on, is that the majority know and the minority still believe the promises of the politicians and think what is happening is normal.
It’s not that the economy will collapse per se, but slowly it will decline until we’re at the state of the East European countries and at that point we’ll get plenty of those now cheering it all on complaining that they didn’t realize what was happening, no one else knew either and start the blame game. No one is forced to read what is said here, or reply, it’s an individual choice, but does appear a popular subject.
On a personal note:
I’m still getting texts from agencies. The latest is an ‘easy run’ to Fradley (Litchfield palletways) x2. I shuddered and politely replied, ‘no thank you.’
Tonight I start a two night induction in a recession proof occupation, also subject to a probationary period, so not guaranteed, but probable. O/T after 38½ hours, average 50/55 hours a week, including night/day/weekend call out, but a one minute walk from where I live. It’s not driving, but why would I not take that? Of course, it’s nowhere near the HGV rates now being offered in the run up to Christmas, but those are seasonal rates and its back to the £10/11 an hour after that and for a grueling work life. That won’t get better, it will get worse and for the one’s now cheering on the gig economy – you go and do it!
There have already been some good links to info on fishing already put up on this thread.
There are fewer fishermen employed in the UK now than twenty years ago. True.
There are also fewer French, Dutch, Spanish etc etc fishermen, by about the same proportions.
(Edit. Bigger more efficient means fewer needed)
We import fish. True.
And export fish. Our home caught blue-whiting, getting and sand eels aren’t top choice to havewith chips’n’peas.
We export high value shell fish to Europe. Good business for us in our current free market. It might eell be harder with extra documents post Brexit.
Quotas are to do with conservation more than anything. Those old school fishers who once depleted the breeding grounds will need to obey UK quotas instead of EU quotas when we leave.
Of course following the previous links and actually reading them would mean some posters would have less time to hammer away at their keyboards.
Franglais:
There have already been some good links to info on fishing already put up on this thread.
There are fewer fishermen employed in the UK now than twenty years ago. True.
There are also fewer French, Dutch, Spanish etc etc fishermen, by about the same proportions.
(Edit. Bigger more efficient means fewer needed)
We import fish. True.
And export fish. Our home caught blue-whiting, getting and sand eels aren’t top choice to havewith chips’n’peas.
We export high value shell fish to Europe. Good business for us in our current free market. It might eell be harder with extra documents post Brexit.
Quotas are to do with conservation more than anything. Those old school fishers who once depleted the breeding grounds will need to obey UK quotas instead of EU quotas when we leave.
Of course following the previous links and actually reading them would mean some posters would have less time to hammer away at their keyboards.
Give up Franglais. Around 70/80% of fish consumed in the UK is imported (seafish.org). We export certain types of premium fish to wealthier countries because people here couldn’t afford to buy. On an island surrounded by the sea, we have to import fish?
Give up Franglais. Around 70/80% of fish consumed in the UK is imported (seafish.org). We export certain types of premium fish to wealthier countries because people here couldn’t afford to buy. On an island surrounded by the sea, we have to import fish?
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Once again complete nonsense, we export the majority of fish/shellfish caught in the UK because there is no market for it in the UK, nothing to do with price ,same reason for why we import 70/80% of the fish we eat, Cod,Warmwater Prawns, Tuna, Basa (all unable to survive in UK coastal waters), UK consumers don’t want the vast majority of the fish caught here, most don’t even want fish.
Specialist fish such as John Dory, Monkfish etc caught by smaller boats off Devon and Cornwall is snapped up by high end UK restaurants.
Give up Franglais. Around 70/80% of fish consumed in the UK is imported (seafish.org). We export certain types of premium fish to wealthier countries because people here couldn’t afford to buy. On an island surrounded by the sea, we have to import fish?
Once again complete nonsense, we export the majority of fish/shellfish caught in the UK because there is no market for it in the UK, nothing to do with price ,same reason for why we import 70/80% of the fish we eat, Cod,Warmwater Prawns, Tuna, Basa (all unable to survive in UK coastal waters), UK consumers don’t want the vast majority of the fish caught here, most don’t even want fish.
Specialist fish such as John Dory, Monkfish etc caught by smaller boats off Devon and Cornwall is snapped up by high end UK restaurants.
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To be fair to him. It’s not complete nonsense.
When GrandPa says that we “are on an island surrounded by sea” he seems to have a point.
Grandpa:
We export certain types of premium fish to wealthier countries because people here couldn’t afford to buy. On an island surrounded by the sea, we have to import fish?
Once again complete nonsense, we export the majority of fish/shellfish caught in the UK because there is no market for it in the UK, nothing to do with price ,same reason for why we import 70/80% of the fish we eat, Cod,Warmwater Prawns, Tuna, Basa (all unable to survive in UK coastal waters), UK consumers don’t want the vast majority of the fish caught here, most don’t even want fish.
Specialist fish such as John Dory, Monkfish etc caught by smaller boats off Devon and Cornwall is snapped up by high end UK restaurants.
Bs.The North Sea was the go to area for Cod together with Iceland and Grand Banks.We were kicked out of the latter two and then to add insult to injury our North Sea territorial waters were opened up to foreign fleets decimating stocks.
While try to find Turbot anywhere for sale.The local fishmonger will only sell a whole fish not single fillets and the last place I could find it ( M and S ) stopped stocking it for some reason.Although can still get excellent Norwegian Cod there.So why do we have to import Cod from Norway ?.
