back to the subject I would vote out, for several of the reasons stated.
regarding immigration Dolph, I have no issue with people wanting to make a better life and bringing skills into the country, I don’t see how car washers etc. can be classed as this. I even saw a woman from Romania selling the big issue last week - how bad does your life have to be that you travel thousands of miles to sell a magazine in a foreign country.
Dolph:
Some of my thoughts.
I wish people can leave nationalism a bit behind. We have seen what nationalism has done to all of us in Europe, doesnt matter Brit, Bulgarian or Polish. Particularly for Bulgaria since 1878 until 1945, we were involved in 5 wars ,2 of them world wars, and 2 national catastrophes , death, famine…
Today we have something fantastic - EU, good/bad its positive in many ways. We don’t fight anymore, we trade, work together, educate etc. Why do we want to abolish it. Im sick and tired of all politicians, mainly Bulgarian, but also many EU once like Victor Orban or David Cameron.
UK should have changed the rules long before we joint, now it will never happen and like before politicians will encourage people to fight one another. Why Brit/German or Greek have to do it, why do we have to hate each other…when is the greedy politicians and corporations fault
British people demand cheap labor to be stopped, where were the British people when UK government pushed for EU expansion 15+ years ago? When Blair sad, something in the line: give us access to you air space to bomb Serbia and we will make sure you are invited into EU. Where were the British people for 7 long years - the transition period(restriction) for Bulgaria and Romania to EU labor market. In 2014 we faced a wall of hatred by British people even though we played by British and EU rules.
You(British voters)want out of UK, no problem(in my eyes) do your referendum and be out of it, its your country in the end of the day. Or you want some EU principals changed, put them in writing and demand a change, Cameron is refusing this as well. But please stop using EE migrants as scapegoats for all of your mishaps. Many of you keep saying don’t play the race card, we are no racists, we just want our country back. Well thats fine, with just one problem. You bash all the time Easter European migrants, but never done this to cheap/unskilled or skilled labor from Germany, France, Spain, Italy, Portugal etc., well its racism by nationality. Conveniently forgetting all the doctors, dentist, engineers, IT specialist, nurses, all sorts of experts(electricians, plumbers, mechanics), business owners etc. from Poland, Bulgaria, Hungary and all of the rest EE. Yes you are racists if you differentiate between Bulgarian, Polish or Spanish lorry driver for example, they are all EU citizens, period!
Most of the European wars were about the ( justified ) argument between Federalism v Nationalism in one form or another.Wether it was zb Napoleon or the Austrian empire or the Yugoslav federation or for that matter Ireland.
The same applied in the USA which you conveniently seem to forget which caused them more casualties than all the other wars they’ve been in combined.
Then you’ve got the nerve to make the hypocritical case that Soviet federalism was bad but EU federalism is good.Obviously on the same basis as the contradictory hypocrisy contained in the Yugoslav war of secession.Which led to the newly seceded ex Yugoslav states all now falling over themselves to be in the EU Federation because the payoff is better.
On that note like the rest of Eastern Europe you can take your obviously Socialist agenda and resulting selective pro Federalist/Sovietski Soyus,( when it suits you and nationalist when it doesn’t ),bs and shove it.
IE no the idea of friends with fences and national borders,which is the definition of the nation state,isn’t zb racist.While Socialism/Federalism in all its forms wether ■■■■ or the Stalinist/Tito type version most certainly is.
I have no socialist agenda nor the rest of EE, quite the opposite. We don’t mind being in Federal EU state, if you dont like it, just quit. Stop this non sense that is going on now, just vote and leave. Why the hell do you need 3 years to prepare yourself for referendum, this is idiotic, do it and be done with it.
UK is the most socialist country in Europe, for the record.
That’s what the majority of the British people want to quit
But until Adolf Merkel signs off our ballot papers so us “little englanders” vote the right way and stay in then it’s going to take a long time because the EU doesn’t understand the word NO
Also the spawn of thatcher Cameron will leave it until 2017 so he flood the UK with as many EU migrants as possible and give them all the right to vote
And you know that the majority wants out, how?? The same was said about UKIP, they will win sooooo many seats etc. reality was different.
Total non sense, its not Germany fault that UK Government doesnt want to have referendum now. UK has the power/muscle and the money to do it, you PM said in 2014 referendum 2017, why the hell you kept quite and didn’t protest? When was the last time people in UK protested in millions to quit EU? Never.
Stop accusing others for your lack of action.
I can count on one hand how many people i know who want to remain in the EU we’ve a million under 25 year olds in this country who can’t get a job or aren’t in any form of education and they’ve no or little prospects
All they see is uncontrolled EU migration coming into the country and working for peanuts
Take a look at UK farming they employ thousands of cheap EU labour so does the seasonal UK tourist industry along with hotel/leisure industry
Many towns and cities in the UK have become unrecognisable with areas looking like another country
I’m being made redundant next April as my employer is closing down UK production after a 127 years and moving it to Poland(cheap labour)
and our site in Nottingham is the most productive out of 58 sites world wide
And not one of the 800 people being made redundant are allowed to apply for a job in Poland unless we leave and move to Poland and reapply for a job
I left lorry driving 12 years ago and I was earning decent money
I look at today’s rates of pay for lorry driving and I can honestly say I was on more per hour 12 years ago than what today’s rates are
Again a lot of this is down to this country not being able to control its own immigration policy because we have to do as we are told Adolf Merkel and her French poodle
So don’t come on here saying how glorious and good the EU cos it’s ruined this country
I’ve been to Bulgaria a few times and I have seen how well it does with the generous handouts it receives
I’d rather the £40 million pound a day we get extorted stay in the UK and give our youngest and pensioners are better start in life and a good retirement
And as for protests it wasn’t until UKIP really started stirring things up that we had a chance on a referendum because previously with the Lisbon and other treaties which previous governments lied about
2017 is the chance for us to have our protest
Dolph:
You need to change your imperial mentality, there is no your colonies, but independent countries
■■■■ off Dolph that is the whole argument, we were a great colonial nation, now we are not, we are being forced into a European state that the majority of people don’t want and then flooded with immigrants who are destroying the fabric of our society, WE WANT TO BE AN INDEPENT COUNRTY!!!
And if your independent country is so great ■■■■ off back there and support your own nation without taking my work and my taxes…
Dolph:
You need to change your imperial mentality, there is no your colonies, but independent countries
[zb] off Dolph that is the whole argument, we were a great colonial nation, now we are not, we are being forced into a European state that the majority of people don’t want and then flooded with immigrants who are destroying the fabric of our society, WE WANT TO BE AN INDEPENT COUNRTY!!!
And if your independent country is so great [zb] off back there and support your own nation without taking my work and my taxes…
BillyHunt:
I don’t care who “wins” the referendum anymore. I’m retiring next April & moving abroad, not Europe…
Hmmmm…abandoning the sinking ship, perhaps? Puzzling as to why you carry such strident opinions when you won`t be sticking around to face the consequences?
You could say that, I’m just not interested in bickering on here with people that have no idea what their on about, coupled with the the fact that, regardless of who says what nobody will change their vote &, as usual on here, it turns into a stupid game of oneupmanship. Having said all that the real reason is as follows.
A terminal cancer diagnosis, not mine, will tend to focus the mind on things deemed trivial at the moment. We are moving to a warmer climate & one of us definitely won’t be back, and probably both come to think of it.
The-Snowman:
I still think we are better as part of the EU if we can get some powers back. A sort of “take what suits us” kind of thing. We need rid of the control they have regards our laws, get rid of the human rights act and get a tighter grip on immigration (All countries need immigrants but we need control of how many and what kind rather than being told to hold the door open)
If we do leave the EU then I hope im wrong but I can see Britain struggling because the EU are like a bunch of children and I can predict them chucking their toys out the pram and smothering us in red tape with regards to trade issues.
Blimey make your mind up.The EU is on an unarguable route towards a Federal European system of government which was/is already in place from the day we joined it in many respects.The trade angle was always a case of economic blackmail in that regard.
Which leaves the question what makes you think that we wouldn’t actually win a trade war with the scam in that regard.Let alone even actually benefit from one bearing in mind we’re arguing from a position of trade deficit strength.As opposed to the EU’s trade surplus weakness.However there’s no way that we can start that process so long as we remained signed up to deal that exchanges sovereignty for the right to be a net importer of EU goods and services not to mention giving them rights to our territorial fishing reserves.
gazsa401:
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Here Dolph our leader Adolf Merkel as spoken
Her version of free movement being all about the type that creates demographic control and economic aid to her old Socialist Stasi cronies in Eastern Europe and their Arab allies.
BillyHunt:
You could say that, I’m just not interested in bickering on here with people that have no idea what their on about, coupled with the the fact that, regardless of who says what nobody will change their vote &, as usual on here, it turns into a stupid game of oneupmanship. Having said all that the real reason is as follows.
A terminal cancer diagnosis, not mine, will tend to focus the mind on things deemed trivial at the moment. We are moving to a warmer climate & one of us definitely won’t be back, and probably both come to think of it.
Sorry to hear that Billy it’s a awful situation that seems to be affecting people now to epidemic proportions.However this is an issue in which we’re discussing condemning future generations of Brits to a potential Yugoslav and/or US civil war type of scenario unless we sort it now for them.
boredwivdrivin:
The idea that Cameron will negotiate changes , we all vote for it , and everything is rosy ever after …
Is idiotic in the extreme .
There will only be 2 choices ( altho ive suggested a third above , but EU politicals to self important to take it ) :
Stay in , and learn to speak german/russian .
OR get out and fight our way forward with our many global friends
Our ‘friends’ are where and who they always were.IE our own in Oz,Canada and NZ while it’s a shame that we upset the Americans but,so far,they are also still on that list.The rest is mostly made up of an unstable Asia from Russia to China and the Middle East to the Indian sub continent and ‘that’ lot need to be kept at arms length and left to themselves on the basis of don’t bother them unless they bother us.In which case assuming the latter population numbers and land mass say that the mutually assured destruction strategy is the only realistic alternative.
Dolph:
You need to change your imperial mentality, there is no your colonies, but independent countries
[zb] off Dolph that is the whole argument, we were a great colonial nation, now we are not, we are being forced into a European state that the majority of people don’t want and then flooded with immigrants who are destroying the fabric of our society, WE WANT TO BE AN INDEPENT COUNRTY!!!
And if your independent country is so great [zb] off back there and support your own nation without taking my work and my taxes…
Who is stopping you from heaving you country independent? It is you, the British people who never protest, never raise your voice, accept whatever the Government shove down your throat. Many of you prefer to move to AUS, CAN, US etc. then to organize a few million into protest against the polices of the Gov you don’t like.
Well Bulgaria was great empire once upon a time, should we grab the AK47 and conquer the Balkan peninsula again . Its not EU fault for the decline of the British empire, you seems to accuse EU of all UK mishaps.
I’m in my home country, thank you very much, taking your work and taxes, oh boy .
Dolph:
You need to change your imperial mentality, there is no your colonies, but independent countries
[zb] off Dolph that is the whole argument, we were a great colonial nation, now we are not, we are being forced into a European state that the majority of people don’t want and then flooded with immigrants who are destroying the fabric of our society, WE WANT TO BE AN INDEPENT COUNRTY!!!
And if your independent country is so great [zb] off back there and support your own nation without taking my work and my taxes…
Who is stopping you from heaving you country independent? It is you, the British people who never protest, never raise your voice, accept whatever the Government shove down your throat. Many of you prefer to move to AUS, CAN, US etc. then to organize a few million into protest against the polices of the Gov you don’t like.
Well Bulgaria was great empire once upon a time, should we grab the AK47 and conquer the Balkan peninsula again . Its not EU fault for the decline of the British empire, you seems to accuse EU of all UK mishaps.
I’m in my home country, thank you very much, taking your work and taxes, oh boy .
gazsa401:
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Here Dolph our leader Adolf Merkel as spoken
And all of EU, except UK is fine with this founding principle. You don’t like it, get out of the union, we don’t need to change something just because one member don’t like.
UK Government new of this principle very well when all of us applied for EU membership, why they didn’t acted 15 years ago…
gazsa401:
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Here Dolph our leader Adolf Merkel as spoken
And all of EU, except UK is fine with this founding principle. You don’t like it, get out of the union, we don’t need to change something just because one member don’t like.
UK Government new of this principle very well when all of us applied for EU membership, why they didn’t acted 15 years ago…
Because the ‘UK government’ is actually pro EU since the day we joined.While the electorate is split and it’s the ‘electorate’ that is now arguing not the government.Although it’s understandable that the idea of a population being at odds with its ‘government’ and itself would be a strange concept to anyone raised in an environment of what the government says goes.
As for Germany let alone France being ‘fine’ with the situation of Merkel’s rule you seem to have conveniently missed the vid which I posted.
gazsa401:
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Here Dolph our leader Adolf Merkel as spoken
And all of EU, except UK is fine with this founding principle. You don’t like it, get out of the union, we don’t need to change something just because one member don’t like.
UK Government new of this principle very well when all of us applied for EU membership, why they didn’t acted 15 years ago…
Because the ‘UK government’ is actually pro EU since the day we joined.While the electorate is split and it’s the ‘electorate’ that is now arguing not the government.Although it’s understandable that the idea of a population being at odds with its ‘government’ and itself would be a strange concept to anyone raised in an environment of what the government says goes.
As for Germany let alone France being ‘fine’ with the situation of Merkel’s rule you seem to have conveniently missed the vid which I posted.
Then why did you voted them in office again in may 2015?
gazsa401:
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Here Dolph our leader Adolf Merkel as spoken
And all of EU, except UK is fine with this founding principle. You don’t like it, get out of the union, we don’t need to change something just because one member don’t like.
UK Government new of this principle very well when all of us applied for EU membership, why they didn’t acted 15 years ago…
Because the ‘UK government’ is actually pro EU since the day we joined.While the electorate is split and it’s the ‘electorate’ that is now arguing not the government.Although it’s understandable that the idea of a population being at odds with its ‘government’ and itself would be a strange concept to anyone raised in an environment of what the government says goes.
As for Germany let alone France being ‘fine’ with the situation of Merkel’s rule you seem to have conveniently missed the vid which I posted.
Then why did you voted them in office again in may 2015?
Firstly the issue of sovereignty isn’t really something that can be decided to be given away by democratic vote anyway.IE it isn’t negotiable or subject to a vote.Anything which says otherwise is illegal and an act of treason against the nation state.
On that note it doesn’t matter who is in government or how many people want to hand over the country to the EU Federation.At that point it ‘should be’ a matter for the military.The question being why hasn’t the Queen ordered the military to remove the offending politicians on that basis ?.Therefore from the point of view of the out side of the argument any pro EU government or politician is irrelevant and in office but not in power because it is actually acting illegally regardless.
gazsa401:
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Here Dolph our leader Adolf Merkel as spoken
And all of EU, except UK is fine with this founding principle. You don’t like it, get out of the union, we don’t need to change something just because one member don’t like.
UK Government new of this principle very well when all of us applied for EU membership, why they didn’t acted 15 years ago…
Because the ‘UK government’ is actually pro EU since the day we joined.While the electorate is split and it’s the ‘electorate’ that is now arguing not the government.Although it’s understandable that the idea of a population being at odds with its ‘government’ and itself would be a strange concept to anyone raised in an environment of what the government says goes.
As for Germany let alone France being ‘fine’ with the situation of Merkel’s rule you seem to have conveniently missed the vid which I posted.
Then why did you voted them in office again in may 2015?
I didn’t vote for the Tory ■■■■■■■■ I never have and never will
You seemed to have skipped a few posts Dolph where was your opinions on our forgotten youth that’s been brushed aside by cheap EU economic migrants? Or are you like the rest of the Europhiles than can only see through blinkers■■?
