In or out of he eu referendum

Dolph:
You need to change your imperial mentality, there is no your colonies, but independent countries :unamused:

It isn’t an imperial mentality.It is an ethnic based nationalist one.Which is why we are a more attractive society to live in than the slavic countries.It’s also obviously one which the malignant cheap labour agenda,which unfortunately infests our society,is doing its best to stamp out by calling it ‘racist’.

Carryfast:

Dolph:
You need to change your imperial mentality, there is no your colonies, but independent countries :unamused:

It isn’t an imperial mentality.It is an ethnic based nationalist one.Which is why we are a more attractive society to live in than the slavic countries.It’s also obviously one which the malignant cheap labour agenda,which unfortunately infests our society,is doing its best to stamp out by calling it ‘racist’.

Are you for real, LOL because of your nationalist mentality you are more attractive then Slavic countries :laughing: :laughing:
Your knowledge on history and economy is amazing, I bow to you :grimacing:

Although I won’t be voting as I’m not eligible, I have been following this campaign, I personally would vote out, it would bring and end to corrupt eu politicians, who’s real agenda is simply to weaken the uk. Uk citizens in general I find to be good law abiding people, who like a level playing field for all, this is not the case with a lot of other eu countries with a lot of undercover corruption, just take a look at the current shambles with uefa and Fifa. Look at the Germans they soon changed there tune over the immigration crisis. Open up the flood gates was there cry, that soon changed when they realised the immigrants where heading there, and not the uk.

Dolph:

Carryfast:
It isn’t an imperial mentality.It is an ethnic based nationalist one.Which is why we are a more attractive society to live in than the slavic countries.It’s also obviously one which the malignant cheap labour agenda,which unfortunately infests our society,is doing its best to stamp out by calling it ‘racist’.

Are you for real, LOL because of your nationalist mentality you are more attractive then Slavic countries :laughing: :laughing:
Your knowledge on history and economy is amazing, I bow to you :grimacing:

Yes Brit based societies like here,Canada,Australia,and New Zealand.Which for ‘some’ reason all seem to apply a regime which allows more ‘free movement’ of foreign emigrants from less developed economies,than that of our own.No prizes for guessing why. :unamused:

According to Mr Juncker we’re not wanted anyway.

Mr Juncker, the President of the European Commission, said: “I am 150 per cent in favour of having Britain as a constructive member state of the European Union. We need Britain."
Mr Juncker, who is not a native English speaker and can be prone to mumbling, was then heard to say: “Personally I don’t think Britain needs European Union. But as a matter of conviction others might have a different feeling on that.”

The newscaster on Sky news said he had listened to it ten times and couldn’t make out what he meant.

The political reporter on Sky news said he had listened to it twenty times and he couldn’t make out what he meant.

I listened to it once and knew exactly what he had said.

The BBC haven’t even reported it.

Carryfast:

Dolph:

Carryfast:
It isn’t an imperial mentality.It is an ethnic based nationalist one.Which is why we are a more attractive society to live in than the slavic countries.It’s also obviously one which the malignant cheap labour agenda,which unfortunately infests our society,is doing its best to stamp out by calling it ‘racist’.

Are you for real, LOL because of your nationalist mentality you are more attractive then Slavic countries :laughing: :laughing:
Your knowledge on history and economy is amazing, I bow to you :grimacing:

Yes Brit based societies like here,Canada,Australia,and New Zealand.Which for ‘some’ reason all seem to apply a regime which allows more ‘free movement’ of foreign emigrants from less developed economies,than that of our own.No prizes for guessing why. :unamused:

That is absolutely wrong!

Well maybe they(former colonies) realize that British nationals will never assimilate like all of the rest, Brits are always expats and never Australian or Canadian immigrants etc. so they made the rules tougher :grimacing:

I don’t care who “wins” the referendum anymore. Partly because if it’s stay in the same people will be talking crap & blaming the British public, if it’s out then the same people will be whining about how it’s not made any difference to them. But mainly because I won’t be eligible to vote, I’m retiring next April & moving abroad, not Europe, and therefore won’t care either way. Enjoy the result. :sunglasses:

Its a funny thing with this Europe Union of Democracies thing …

I cant ever recall seeing Mr Junkers name on any ballot paper ■■?

Dolph:

Carryfast:
Yes Brit based societies like here,Canada,Australia,and New Zealand.Which for ‘some’ reason all seem to apply a regime which allows more ‘free movement’ of foreign emigrants from less developed economies,than that of our own.No prizes for guessing why. :unamused:

That is absolutely wrong!

Well maybe they(former colonies) realize that British nationals will never assimilate like all of the rest, Brits are always expats and never Australian or Canadian immigrants etc. so they made the rules tougher :grimacing:

Why would we need to ‘assimilate’ with what are our own ethnic Brit based societies.We are no more ‘ex pats’ than the first Brit settlers who founded them and their descendents. :confused:

While it is clear that the immigration policies of those countries have been hijacked by the cheap labour and socialist agendas with obvious results.With resistance to match.

protectionist.net/2010/05/16 … on-policy/

‘‘To avoid the long term damage of social unrest and ongoing ethnic tensions and hatreds that are the result of ill conceived migration ( immigration ) policies.Australia needs to have a sensible immigration programme of only accepting into our country those people who will readily fit into our society primarily from traditional sources’’.Traditional doesn’t get much more traditional than the British Isles that founded the country in that regard. :unamused:

id like to ask dolph what has the ee contributed to the eu since they all joined …from were i stand bugger all…cus they hadnt got a pot to ■■■■ in…apart from cheap labour…so come on give me facts n figures…im waiting ■■?

boredwivdrivin:
Its a funny thing with this Europe Union of Democracies thing …

I cant ever recall seeing Mr Junkers name on any ballot paper ■■?

ere ere…just another failed politician…just like the damp rag before…WHO R YA WHO R YA … :smiley: :smiley: :smiley: :smiley: :smiley: :smiley: :smiley: :smiley:

drhs:
id like to ask dolph what has the ee contributed to the eu since they all joined …from were i stand bugger all…cus they hadnt got a pot to ■■■■ in…apart from cheap labour…so come on give me facts n figures…im waiting ■■?

If you want to see the real data and change we lived thru open any economic website and read. There is tons of information about import, export, education, tourism, police and military cooperation, agriculture, skilled migration educated by the taxpayer in EE working in countries like UK.
First and formost Eastern European countries brought peace and stability by entering EU.
Second, the western countries market for goods and services grew significantly, does improving the economy of countries like UK.

” There are currently more than 4,000 UK companies operating in Romania. Trade between the two countries topped 3.28 billion euros in 2013, which is a growth of 11.9% compared to the year before.British commerce in Slovakia, Hungary, Poland, Romania, the Czech Republic and Slovenia
At the beginning of this month it became known Ian Livingston, Minister for Trade and Investment, launched two new British Business Centres in Slovakia and Hungary. Such centres opened in Poland last year and Romania this week. Business centres in the Czech Republic and Slovenia are due to open shortly. “This is a dynamic and exciting growth market. British firms have doubled trade exports to Eastern and Central European countries in the last ten years but we still lag behind our rivals”, lord Livingston says. “By 2020, I want to double exports to this region, so we are ramping up our support for British firms on the ground by opening a network of business centres across the region and increasing the number of trade missions to introduce more British businesses to potential buyers.”

Forget immigration. It’s a smokescreen.

Forget trade. We can still be a ‘member’ of the ‘common market’, and therefore benefit from trade agreements, even when not a member of the EU.

It is all about wrestling back our ability to control our own legislation, and saving the wasted millions and millions on duplication and ludicrous EU regulations.

Anyone remember this from last October?

The UK has been told it must pay an extra £1.7bn (2.1bn euros) towards the European Union’s budget because the economy has performed better than expected in recent years.
The payment follows new calculations by the EU that determine how much each member state should contribute.
It would add about a fifth to the UK’s annual net contribution of £8.6bn.

Losers Additional sum to pay
United Kingdom £1,676m
Netherlands £506m
Italy £268m
Greece £70m
Cyprus £33m
Winners Reduction
France £801m
Germany £614m
Denmark £253m
Poland £249m
Austria £232m

Dolph:

drhs:
id like to ask dolph what has the ee contributed to the eu since they all joined …from were i stand bugger all…cus they hadnt got a pot to ■■■■ in…apart from cheap labour…so come on give me facts n figures…im waiting ■■?

If you want to see the real data and change we lived thru open any economic website and read. There is tons of information about import, export, education, tourism, police and military cooperation, agriculture, skilled migration educated by the taxpayer in EE working in countries like UK.
First and formost Eastern European countries brought peace and stability by entering EU.
Second, the western countries market for goods and services grew significantly, does improving the economy of countries like UK.

” There are currently more than 4,000 UK companies operating in Romania. Trade between the two countries topped 3.28 billion euros in 2013, which is a growth of 11.9% compared to the year before.British commerce in Slovakia, Hungary, Poland, Romania, the Czech Republic and Slovenia
At the beginning of this month it became known Ian Livingston, Minister for Trade and Investment, launched two new British Business Centres in Slovakia and Hungary. Such centres opened in Poland last year and Romania this week. Business centres in the Czech Republic and Slovenia are due to open shortly. “This is a dynamic and exciting growth market. British firms have doubled trade exports to Eastern and Central European countries in the last ten years but we still lag behind our rivals”, lord Livingston says. “By 2020, I want to double exports to this region, so we are ramping up our support for British firms on the ground by opening a network of business centres across the region and increasing the number of trade missions to introduce more British businesses to potential buyers.”

and all working for foooooook alll…so how much do they earn in theses countries…come on…i bet they dont earn 3000 euros a month like me…cheap labour

Dolph:

drhs:
id like to ask dolph what has the ee contributed to the eu since they all joined …from were i stand bugger all…cus they hadnt got a pot to ■■■■ in…apart from cheap labour…so come on give me facts n figures…im waiting ■■?

If you want to see the real data and change we lived thru open any economic website and read. There is tons of information about import, export, education, tourism, police and military cooperation, agriculture, skilled migration educated by the taxpayer in EE working in countries like UK.
First and formost Eastern European countries brought peace and stability by entering EU.
Second, the western countries market for goods and services grew significantly, does improving the economy of countries like UK.

” There are currently more than 4,000 UK companies operating in Romania. Trade between the two countries topped 3.28 billion euros in 2013, which is a growth of 11.9% compared to the year before.British commerce in Slovakia, Hungary, Poland, Romania, the Czech Republic and Slovenia
At the beginning of this month it became known Ian Livingston, Minister for Trade and Investment, launched two new British Business Centres in Slovakia and Hungary. Such centres opened in Poland last year and Romania this week. Business centres in the Czech Republic and Slovenia are due to open shortly. “This is a dynamic and exciting growth market. British firms have doubled trade exports to Eastern and Central European countries in the last ten years but we still lag behind our rivals”, lord Livingston says. “By 2020, I want to double exports to this region, so we are ramping up our support for British firms on the ground by opening a network of business centres across the region and increasing the number of trade missions to introduce more British businesses to potential buyers.”

You are wasting your time my friend, you might as well try & nail a turd to the ceiling as get any sense out of these, they’ve made up their minds & no amount of reasoned argument will change that. Going off on a tangent, endless repetition of “facts” coupled with quotes & articles from Google, usually nothing to do with the topic, as well as the odd moron popping up to add weight to the argument, will be the norm until you get fed up,&'stop, allowing them to claim victory and prove they were correct all the time. Been there done that.
And for the hard of thinking, Mr Junker was prime minister of his country for over 10 years, not bad for a failure.

BillyHunt:

Dolph:

drhs:
id like to ask dolph what has the ee contributed to the eu since they all joined …from were i stand bugger all…cus they hadnt got a pot to ■■■■ in…apart from cheap labour…so come on give me facts n figures…im waiting ■■?

If you want to see the real data and change we lived thru open any economic website and read. There is tons of information about import, export, education, tourism, police and military cooperation, agriculture, skilled migration educated by the taxpayer in EE working in countries like UK.
First and formost Eastern European countries brought peace and stability by entering EU.
Second, the western countries market for goods and services grew significantly, does improving the economy of countries like UK.

” There are currently more than 4,000 UK companies operating in Romania. Trade between the two countries topped 3.28 billion euros in 2013, which is a growth of 11.9% compared to the year before.British commerce in Slovakia, Hungary, Poland, Romania, the Czech Republic and Slovenia
At the beginning of this month it became known Ian Livingston, Minister for Trade and Investment, launched two new British Business Centres in Slovakia and Hungary. Such centres opened in Poland last year and Romania this week. Business centres in the Czech Republic and Slovenia are due to open shortly. “This is a dynamic and exciting growth market. British firms have doubled trade exports to Eastern and Central European countries in the last ten years but we still lag behind our rivals”, lord Livingston says. “By 2020, I want to double exports to this region, so we are ramping up our support for British firms on the ground by opening a network of business centres across the region and increasing the number of trade missions to introduce more British businesses to potential buyers.”

You are wasting your time my friend, you might as well try & nail a turd to the ceiling as get any sense out of these, they’ve made up their minds & no amount of reasoned argument will change that. Going off on a tangent, endless repetition of “facts” coupled with quotes & articles from Google, usually nothing to do with the topic, as well as the odd moron popping up to add weight to the argument, will be the norm until you get fed up,&'stop, allowing them to claim victory and prove they were correct all the time. Been there done that.
And for the hard of thinking, Mr Junker was prime minister of his country for over 10 years, not bad for a failure.

You are right Billy, but as long as I have a will I’ll continue the debate. :wink: . I have seen so many people from different nations and background work together for the bright future in US, why cant we do it in Europe. May be it has something to do with the centuries old argument who will control EU- UK, Germany or France, I don’t know. But if the French and Germans can work together, there shouldn’t be a problem for all of the rest.

Some of my thoughts.
I wish people can leave nationalism a bit behind. We have seen what nationalism has done to all of us in Europe, doesnt matter Brit, Bulgarian or Polish. Particularly for Bulgaria since 1878 until 1945, we were involved in 5 wars ,2 of them world wars, and 2 national catastrophes , death, famine…
Today we have something fantastic - EU, good/bad its positive in many ways. We don’t fight anymore, we trade, work together, educate etc. Why do we want to abolish it. Im sick and tired of all politicians, mainly Bulgarian, but also many EU once like Victor Orban or David Cameron.
UK should have changed the rules long before we joint, now it will never happen and like before politicians will encourage people to fight one another. Why Brit/German or Greek have to do it, why do we have to hate each other…when is the greedy politicians and corporations fault
British people demand cheap labor to be stopped, where were the British people when UK government pushed for EU expansion 15+ years ago? When Blair sad, something in the line: give us access to you air space to bomb Serbia and we will make sure you are invited into EU. Where were the British people for 7 long years - the transition period(restriction) for Bulgaria and Romania to EU labor market. In 2014 we faced a wall of hatred by British people even though we played by British and EU rules.
You(British voters)want out of UK, no problem(in my eyes) do your referendum and be out of it, its your country in the end of the day. Or you want some EU principals changed, put them in writing and demand a change, Cameron is refusing this as well. But please stop using EE migrants as scapegoats for all of your mishaps. Many of you keep saying don’t play the race card, we are no racists, we just want our country back. Well thats fine, with just one problem. You bash all the time Easter European migrants, but never done this to cheap/unskilled or skilled labor from Germany, France, Spain, Italy, Portugal etc., well its racism by nationality. Conveniently forgetting all the doctors, dentist, engineers, IT specialist, nurses, all sorts of experts(electricians, plumbers, mechanics), business owners etc. from Poland, Bulgaria, Hungary and all of the rest EE. Yes you are racists if you differentiate between Bulgarian, Polish or Spanish lorry driver for example, they are all EU citizens, period!

In his interview Swinney said that a series of factors, ranging from the EU referendum and the renewal of the Trident nuclear deterrent, could change the debate. He said: “Some substantial things may emerge that change the debate, for example the situation on the European referendum, such as the impact of the UK government’s austerity attack and the benefit attacks, such as the whole approach to renewing the Trident nuclear missile system programme. What does that do to the debate in Scotland? This is a debate that can develop and change.”

theguardian.com/politics/201 … e-scotland

Definitely IN!
Sure there are lots of things that need improving but,
I, my children and grandchildren are the third generation now of my family which has not been shot at by a load of French, German, Italians …etc.
I am free to live work and enjoy anywhere in this, the biggest market the world has ever seen.
Standards of pay, welfare, health, safety security and culture have improved and been standardized.
God Save the Queen. Viva the United Kingdom. Viva Europe

You think the ethnic mix in the USA works well do you Dolph?

You can have all of that and more Euro, by the UK leaving the EU and being a member of the Common Market.

We would save all of the wasted millions and millions and bring back our independent legislature, and still be part of the trading entity.