boredwivdrivin:
Where does EU get its cash from to pay these lovely subsidies ■■
Blimey the in campaign won’t be blinded by the inconvenient definition of us being a ‘net contributor’ to the Federalist scam.
If Greece can organise an election every 2 months why does it take 4 years to organise this referendum
OUT OUT OUT!
mac12:
If Greece can organise an election every 2 months why does it take 4 years to organise this referendum
Here’s a clue what ‘referendum’ when.If Cameron isn’t lying we’d already have a date for it and we don’t need to wait until 2017.
Carryfast:
Dolph:
So its EU fault that UK waste is money on benefit system and wars■■?
Everyone in EU can go and work in Norway, but not so many people know the language and like the cold weather.
EU nationals go to UK to work not for benefits, the main reason is strong pound and English language. Do you know that I speak English since 8th grade, started learning it in 5th, it was mandatory in BG schools to choose from several western languages.How does any of that make any difference as to wether this country runs itself or hands its government ( and borders ) over to the EU federation.So you speak English who cares.We want our country back and to secede from the EU.Where’s the connection.
The connection is: I still can come and work in UK, even if you get out of EU, because like Norway in order to trade in EU, you will have to follow EU principles. One of which is free movement of people and capital. You will not achieve you main goal - curb EU migration by leaving EU. Thats what Im trying to tell you.
And me learning English was to show you that many people in EE learn English in elementary school, not Norwegian. So we still will be able to come and work in EU because we speak the language.
Dolph:
Carryfast:
How does any of that make any difference as to wether this country runs itself or hands its government ( and borders ) over to the EU federation.So you speak English who cares.We want our country back and to secede from the EU.Where’s the connection.The connection is: I still can come and work in UK, even if you get out of EU, because like Norway in order to trade in EU, you will have to follow EU principles. One of which is free movement of people and capital. You will not achieve you main goal - curb EU migration by leaving EU. Thats what Im trying to tell you.
And me learning English was to show you that many people in EE learn English in elementary school, not Norwegian. So we still will be able to come and work in EU because we speak the language.
You’ve conveniently missed the bit that leaving the EU gives us sovereignty over our immigration policy.To which the EU’s answer,according to those with your ideas,is to impose trade sanctions on us to make us comply with EU laws.In which case we obviously reserve the right to retaliate by imposing trade sanctions in return.However,unlike with just poor victimised Norway and Switzerland EFTA with us back in it would now be a net importer of EU goods and services.IE in trade deficit.Do you really want and can you afford an all out trade war in that case.If so good luck because we can only win it.
boredwivdrivin:
Where does EU get its cash from to pay these lovely subsidies ■■
From European member states… From the taxpayers from member states…
I pay 54% tax (In Belgium)… So as a Belgian I would also like to see the backend of this European fiasco so I can pay less taxes…
What do you pay tax wise in the UK ■■
Geoffo:
boredwivdrivin:
Where does EU get its cash from to pay these lovely subsidies ■■From European member states… From the taxpayers from member states…
I pay 54% tax (In Belgium)… So as a Belgian I would also like to see the backend of this European fiasco so I can pay less taxes…
What do you pay tax wise in the UK ■■
Being one of the few net contributors we obviously pay more than most.
As of 2013 we contributed more than 17 billion Euro and got back around 6 billion in return.Belgium contributed around 5 billion and got back 7 billion.
In. We will have far less power if we leave the EU, it is as simple as that. Those few select countries who negotiated their own independent agreements with the EEC (eg: Switzerland) did so under very different circumstances. Pulling out of the EU and then asking the rest of the EU to be nice to us is not going to work.
Besides this, we are located right next to the largest economy in the world. The EU is larger than the USA and far larger than China. We have a free trade agreement with this immense market. We cannot in our right minds voluntarily choose to pull out of it, the whole idea is ridiculous. It would be like Canada choosing to pull out of NAFTA.
If we pull out there are some measurable savings that we will make instantly. And then the difficult to measure costs will kick in. The latter is FAR greater than the former. This would be economic suicide. Short of invading another country, there isn’t anything else we can do that would do more economic harm to our country than leaving the EU.
Carryfast:
Geoffo:
boredwivdrivin:
Where does EU get its cash from to pay these lovely subsidies ■■From European member states… From the taxpayers from member states…
I pay 54% tax (In Belgium)… So as a Belgian I would also like to see the backend of this European fiasco so I can pay less taxes…
What do you pay tax wise in the UK ■■
Being one of the few net contributors we obviously pay more than most.
As of 2013 we contributed more than 17 billion Euro and got back around 6 billion in return.Belgium contributed around 5 billion and got back 7 billion.
I’d like to know where the 7 billion went 'cause we don’t see it…
How much tax do you pay (percent/%) from your wages, including NI ■■
Geoffo:
Carryfast:
Geoffo:
boredwivdrivin:
Where does EU get its cash from to pay these lovely subsidies ■■From European member states… From the taxpayers from member states…
I pay 54% tax (In Belgium)… So as a Belgian I would also like to see the backend of this European fiasco so I can pay less taxes…
What do you pay tax wise in the UK ■■
Being one of the few net contributors we obviously pay more than most.
As of 2013 we contributed more than 17 billion Euro and got back around 6 billion in return.Belgium contributed around 5 billion and got back 7 billion.
I’d like to know where the 7 billion went 'cause we don’t see it…
How much tax do you pay (percent/%) from your wages, including NI ■■
It all varies depending on income thresholds.It’s obvious that no one could pay over 50% out of minimum wage.While it’s mostly the VAT take that goes into the EU which is a massive amount.The fact is ever since we joined it’s been a case of cuts in services and infrastructure maintenance at home to pay into the EU.Which is why the NHS is close to economic melt down for one example.
Herbert1561:
In. We will have far less power if we leave the EU, it is as simple as that. Those few select countries who negotiated their own independent agreements with the EEC (eg: Switzerland) did so under very different circumstances. Pulling out of the EU and then asking the rest of the EU to be nice to us is not going to work.Besides this, we are located right next to the largest economy in the world. The EU is larger than the USA and far larger than China. We have a free trade agreement with this immense market. We cannot in our right minds voluntarily choose to pull out of it, the whole idea is ridiculous. It would be like Canada choosing to pull out of NAFTA.
If we pull out there are some measurable savings that we will make instantly. And then the difficult to measure costs will kick in. The latter is FAR greater than the former. This would be economic suicide. Short of invading another country, there isn’t anything else we can do that would do more economic harm to our country than leaving the EU.
Explain all that from the point of view of us being a net importer of EU products and a net contributor to its budget.The fact is there are no positives only costs.
Carryfast:
Dolph:
Carryfast:
How does any of that make any difference as to wether this country runs itself or hands its government ( and borders ) over to the EU federation.So you speak English who cares.We want our country back and to secede from the EU.Where’s the connection.The connection is: I still can come and work in UK, even if you get out of EU, because like Norway in order to trade in EU, you will have to follow EU principles. One of which is free movement of people and capital. You will not achieve you main goal - curb EU migration by leaving EU. Thats what Im trying to tell you.
And me learning English was to show you that many people in EE learn English in elementary school, not Norwegian. So we still will be able to come and work in EU because we speak the language.You’ve conveniently missed the bit that leaving the EU gives us sovereignty over our immigration policy.To which the EU’s answer,according to those with your ideas,is to impose trade sanctions on us to make us comply with EU laws.In which case we obviously reserve the right to retaliate by imposing trade sanctions in return.However,unlike with just poor victimised Norway and Switzerland EFTA with us back in it would now be a net importer of EU goods and services.IE in trade deficit.Do you really want and can you afford an all out trade war in that case.If so good luck because we can only win it.
Are you joking, we survived 45 years of communism with prison camps, no ownership of private property, no free speech, no nothing etc. we still cant recover of this regime and you think we are afraid of trade war with UK 
you can all vote no as much as you want. just look what happened in eire a few years ago ?
they voted no and then a few weeks later they had to have another vote !
the eu would of kept at them until they got the yes !
Geffo , i reckon a fair old bit goes in palaces for MEPs Euro Commissioners and their lackeys , hangers on , butlers and drivers and cleaners and nannies and interpreters and fine dining and wine and entertainment and travel and and and …
Im just guessing tho 
Ive got a feeling these ex soviets think they are doing us a favour being here !!
I saw a massive fall in living standard when these proles came …
And id glad take another to see the back of them
As an ex pat Brit I will need to check on my voting rights for this. It would be an out vote. I don’t bother to vote in elections because the seat I would vote in is a safe seat and it really does not effect me.
It should be noted that the EU is scared of a British exit, they will try to stop it at all costs, but if the vote is out then it is simple, stop sending them the money. I am sure they will put in place trade sanctions, that only effects EU member states not the rest of the world and can be countered by making trade easier with the US, Canada, China, Japan, India and Brazil. The UK can then put sanctions on EU states as well. The biggest finance market in the EU is London so that would not work out well for the EU now would it, the largest banks in the world are British and Swiss again not going to work out well for the EU, most of the largest companies in the EU are British, and I am sure EFTA would also take the UK side.
Living outside of the EU has given me a different perspective, I never realized just how much of the world still runs because the of British economy.
As for what the US wants, they are watching, but they only really care about the value of the US dollar, so they will most likely side with the country that has the largest foreign exchange market. Well the London Forex market is the largest and is larger than the next 3 largest combined, US companies would much rather continue trading with the UK than the rest of europe because it is better for them financially.
Of course all of this relies on having a PM with the balls to execute, which I think is the week link.
boredwivdrivin:
Ive got a feeling these ex soviets think they are doing us a favour being here !!I saw a massive fall in living standard when these proles came …
And id glad take another to see the back of them
Just to be precise, but Poland was never part of the Soviet Union, it is a common misconception but it was an independent communist state.
Dolph:
Well in Brexit employers(like Honda) will leave UK for mainland EU, investor will leave or not go to UK etc. 52% of UK export(400 bn pounds) is to EU, put 20% import tax to this and UK economy will suffer massive blow.
If that’s the case then why is Nissan investing £100m in it’s Sunderland plant?
wing-nut:
Dolph:
Well in Brexit employers(like Honda) will leave UK for mainland EU, investor will leave or not go to UK etc. 52% of UK export(400 bn pounds) is to EU, put 20% import tax to this and UK economy will suffer massive blow.If that’s the case then why is Nissan investing £100m in it’s Sunderland plant?
I don’t know, Honda manager said he wish UK remain in the heart of EU, because UK Honda manufacturing is dependent of EU sales.
Don’t forget that the French own half of Nissan 
No one really knows the total consequences for the UK or the EU economy in Brexit.