Just watching the bias bbc 's question time, this week in Scotland , and the delusional SNP, who seem to think that the referendum they had to leave or remain in the uk, would be broken if the uk leaves the EU , they raving mad seriously raving looney’s , If we leave the EU and they then have another referendum to leave the uk, just so they can join the EU again, i see a big steel fence across the country going up to stop the flow of imports we would have a new border
Just caught up with this, as I’ve been doing some of this work stuff:
So, after me asking for some facts, after distilling down your interminable essays, what you’re basically telling me is:
Germany are singlehandedly responsible for closing down our manufacturing industries.
Leaving the EU will result in these industries springing back into life, and immediately hitting full production. In addition, the British public will turn their back on both cheap Chinese imports, and quality European imports (BMW, Audi etc), and buy British.
All the foreign trucks over here will disappear, to be replaced by British trucks and drivers, despite the cost increase to this newly risen British industry, and this will be tolerated by the government and their owners.
Oh, and one last thing - if you want a grownup discussion, please drop the ‘zb’ and ‘ze Germans’ every other line. If you want to swear, go ahead and let the auto-censor sort it out, it reads like a school kid trying to be clever.
tommy t:
Just watching the bias bbc 's question time, this week in Scotland , and the delusional SNP, who seem to think that the referendum they had to leave or remain in the uk, would be broken if the uk leaves the EU , they raving mad seriously raving looney’s , If we leave the EU and they then have another referendum to leave the uk, just so they can join the EU again, i see a big steel fence across the country going up to stop the flow of imports we would have a new border
What’s the big deal.If the vote doesn’t suit either side then why not just let Scotland go in either case.IE we don’t want the Scottish margin keeping us in and they don’t want the English margin taking them out.The result would just be similar to the situation that exists between Sweden and Norway. 
On that note this obviously doesn’t fit the in campaign or SNP script. 
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The fact is the biased in campaign zb’s want the situation of Scotland not accepting an out vote based on an English margin but we have to accept vice versa. 
scaniason:
Just caught up with this, as I’ve been doing some of this work stuff:So, after me asking for some facts, after distilling down your interminable essays, what you’re basically telling me is:
Germany are singlehandedly responsible for closing down our manufacturing industries.
Leaving the EU will result in these industries springing back into life, and immediately hitting full production. In addition, the British public will turn their back on both cheap Chinese imports, and quality European imports (BMW, Audi etc), and buy British.
All the foreign trucks over here will disappear, to be replaced by British trucks and drivers, despite the cost increase to this newly risen British industry, and this will be tolerated by the government and their owners.
Oh, and one last thing - if you want a grownup discussion, please drop the ‘zb’ and ‘ze Germans’ every other line. If you want to swear, go ahead and let the auto-censor sort it out, it reads like a school kid trying to be clever.
Absolutely Germany with Heath’s and Thatcher’s help are certainly responsible for putting a massive proportion of the UK workforce out of work.With trade figures since we joined the scam to prove it.
As for throwing your toys out of your pro EU pram.If you don’t like me calling ze Germans a bunch of zb freeloading scroungers at the expense of their trading ‘partners’ and EU mug member states like us,tough.The fact is,as I said, the fate of Greece shows the results of the in campaign’s economically illiterate ideas.In which we all get into massive debt to provide German jobs because of the cowardly fears and treasonous bs of people like Heath.
As for quality ‘European’,obviously German in your book,imports v British you’re avin a larf.If you were right we’d all be speaking German by now and you’d have got your wish of a German ruled Europe a lot sooner.
So to sum up your case for staying in Brits aren’t good enough to provide for themselves and have to be dependent on the EU for stuff we can make for ourselves.Thereby having to borrow and print money to pay for it with an economy going down the tubes because of too many people looking for too few jobs and falling tax revenues to match.Yet more proof that the EU is for people who don’t understand basic maths.On that note your answer is obviously negative interest rates and print money that’ll fix it.
So basically, you’re not going to answer my points, just throw a load more hyperbole around. No worries, have a good day. I’ll leave you to carry on in your little black and white world.
scaniason:
Just caught up with this, as I’ve been doing some of this work stuff:So, after me asking for some facts, after distilling down your interminable essays, what you’re basically telling me is:
Germany are singlehandedly responsible for closing down our manufacturing industries.
Leaving the EU will result in these industries springing back into life, and immediately hitting full production. In addition, the British public will turn their back on both cheap Chinese imports, and quality European imports (BMW, Audi etc), and buy British.
All the foreign trucks over here will disappear, to be replaced by British trucks and drivers, despite the cost increase to this newly risen British industry, and this will be tolerated by the government and their owners.
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Yeah farcical isn’t it
Year ending 2015
Total GDP EU in Millions of Euro’s
14,625,373 (inc uk)
Total GDP UK in Millions of Euro’s
2,568,052
Carryfast:
EU market isn’t as big to UK exporters as the UK market is to EU exporters.Hence our massive trade deficit with the EU ever since we joined the scam.
The fact we are importing more from other EU countries, than we export to the other EU countries, doesn’t alter the fact, that as a market and market potential, the EU is at a ball park glance(excluding our gdp) 5 x the size of the UK. We are the 2nd largest economy, after Germany, but Germany and France together, are twice the size of the UK in GDP terms.
tommy t:
eddie snax:
He’s standing down as PM before 2020 anyway, so it doesn’t really make that much difference whether that’s 2016 or 2020. :It makes a big difference for many the sooner he and his bunch of toffs have their snouts removed from the public ■■■■■ the better,
The only problem left is what do we replace this government with, Labour nope, Lib Dims definitely not, ukip, i have my reservations about as well, that’s the problem none of them are vote worthy imo all are zb’s
I misunderstood your comment, as Boris was riding to the rescue of the Tory party, from the usurper Cameron. The change of political ideal, and a move to a fairer society, as maybe that is what you are wishing for, is I’m afraid no more likely, in or out of the EU
Carryfast:
eddie snax:
Don’t forget, Camerons view of Haulage will come from the large logistics players, and from where I sit, they’re doing all rightThe question is do the big players actually even use UK international haulage providers or do they sub the work out to cheap East Euro operators and pocket the savings for themselves ?.
They do almost exactly as you have stated, apart from they pocket the savings for their shareholders. To be honest, with the lack of UK born drivers, or as it would appear lack of UK born drivers, maybe subbing out to the East Europeans, is the only way to get enough freight moved from Germany to the UK 
scaniason:
So basically, you’re not going to answer my points, just throw a load more hyperbole around. No worries, have a good day. I’ll leave you to carry on in your little black and white world.
I did answer your points but obviously being a biased supporter if the in campaign federalist dream inconvenient facts like loss of sovereignty and trade fifures and net contributions just go over your head and/or get ignored.
eddie snax:
The fact we are importing more from other EU countries, than we export to the other EU countries, doesn’t alter the fact, that as a market and market potential, the EU is at a ball park glance(excluding our gdp) 5 x the size of the UK. We are the 2nd largest economy, after Germany, but Germany and France together, are twice the size of the UK in GDP terms.
Great the in campaign defeats its own bs rhetoric again.By proving its total inability to understand basic economics.Things like the importance of the difference between ‘size’ of the market as opposed to ‘market share’ and the fact that the trade deficit figures and net contribution figures show that EU membership is a massive net cost and burden on our economy.Yes the EU has a ‘sizeable’ market ‘potential’ … for ze Germans not for us.The net result being that we’ve lost more by providing open access to the domestic market than we can ever hope to gain in the EU market.Which explains those inconvenient trade deficit figures since we joined the federalist scam.
So feel free to explain how running a massive trade deficit with a large potential market is supposedly ‘good’ for us and our economy.Let alone paying billions in net contributions for the privilege.Let me guess if I’ve read it right you’re worried about being denied access to your favourite German imports.
You basically confirmed that in your little mind, Germany is singlehandedly responsible for British industry failures, and that you got hissy because I asked you to use adult English. What about the instant rise of British industry, the change in culture of the British in switching to British goods rather than better or cheaper, and also will there be a reduction in foreign trucks on the road, together with a compensatory rise in British ones?
I’ll let you google it whilst I get on with working, I’ll catch up when I next stop.
scaniason:
You basically confirmed that in your little mind, Germany is singlehandedly responsible for British industry failures, and that you got hissy because I asked you to use adult English. What about the instant rise of British industry, the change in culture of the British in switching to British goods rather than better or cheaper, and also will there be a reduction in foreign trucks on the road, together with a compensatory rise in British ones?I’ll let you google it whilst I get on with working, I’ll catch up when I next
stop.
Great you’ve basically confirmed your economic illiteracy by suggesting that we can survive by going on thinking that we can just keep importing so called ‘better’ or cheaper products that we can produce for ourselves using printed money to make up the shortfall caused by the resulting trade deficit.Greek government thinking in action.
As for cheaper yes great take advantage of exploitative low wage economies while putting our own workers on the dole that’ll work.
Carryfast:
scaniason:
You basically confirmed that in your little mind, Germany is singlehandedly responsible for British industry failures, and that you got hissy because I asked you to use adult English. What about the instant rise of British industry, the change in culture of the British in switching to British goods rather than better or cheaper, and also will there be a reduction in foreign trucks on the road, together with a compensatory rise in British ones?I’ll let you google it whilst I get on with working, I’ll catch up when I next
stop.Great you’ve basically confirmed your economic illiteracy by suggesting that we can survive by going on thinking that we can just keep importing so called ‘better’ or cheaper products that we can produce for ourselves using printed money to make up the shortfall caused by the resulting trade deficit.Greek government thinking in action.
As for cheaper yes great take advantage of exploitative low wage economies while putting our own workers on the dole that’ll work.
Greek debt, public lavish spending and falsifying of acct. books for years has no comparison to UK economy. Where do you get this notion?
Dolph:
Carryfast:
scaniason:
You basically confirmed that in your little mind, Germany is singlehandedly responsible for British industry failures, and that you got hissy because I asked you to use adult English. What about the instant rise of British industry, the change in culture of the British in switching to British goods rather than better or cheaper, and also will there be a reduction in foreign trucks on the road, together with a compensatory rise in British ones?I’ll let you google it whilst I get on with working, I’ll catch up when I next
stop.Great you’ve basically confirmed your economic illiteracy by suggesting that we can survive by going on thinking that we can just keep importing so called ‘better’ or cheaper products that we can produce for ourselves using printed money to make up the shortfall caused by the resulting trade deficit.Greek government thinking in action.
As for cheaper yes great take advantage of exploitative low wage economies while putting our own workers on the dole that’ll work.
Greek debt, public lavish spending and falsifying of acct. books for years has no comparison to UK economy. Where do you get this notion?
Because he’s carryfast - he won’t let an inconvenience get in his way when he wants to convince people how wonderful the UK is and how bad the rest of the world is. Its all black and white for him…
Dolph:
Greek debt, public lavish spending and falsifying of acct. books for years has no comparison to UK economy. Where do you get this notion?
They survived those dodgy Greek accounts ‘for years’.The deal breaker was their unsustainable trade deficit much of it caused by importing loads of German made goods which they couldn’t pay for.As I said the in campaign for people who don’t understand basic maths.The EU run by Germany for Germany.
scaniason:
Because he’s carryfast - he won’t let an inconvenience get in his way when he wants to convince people how wonderful the UK is and how bad the rest of the world is. Its all black and white for him…
Great your ideas should do wonders for the Labour out vote.How good trading with the ‘rest of the world is’ for us.Like cheap dumped Chinese steel for example which the EU is all too keen to let in.
Carryfast:
scaniason:
Because he’s carryfast - he won’t let an inconvenience get in his way when he wants to convince people how wonderful the UK is and how bad the rest of the world is. Its all black and white for him…Great your ideas should do wonders for the Labour out vote.How good trading with the ‘rest of the world is’ for us.Like cheap dumped Chinese steel for example which the EU is all too keen to let in.
What actually UK produce that is an interest of the rest of the world, if you ditch EU. What US, China, Brazil, Australia be interested into?
After Brexit will UK be interesting place to invest money? Will UK remain as leading European financial market? Will foreign companies stay or move to mainland EU? Will EU citizens be kicked out? What will happen to their saving, years of contribution, property and vice versa, what will happen to all Brits living in EU? What will happen to all the EU treaties and rules UK is signatory to? Will UK have to follow EU rules in order to trade with the union? Will UK remain to use EU port without paying hefty tax/tariffs etc?
What will actually happen, does any one care to explain this to the people in UK?
CF you seems to be obsessed by the Germans, are you jealous of them or something?
Carryfast:
scaniason:
Because he’s carryfast - he won’t let an inconvenience get in his way when he wants to convince people how wonderful the UK is and how bad the rest of the world is. Its all black and white for him…Great your ideas should do wonders for the Labour out vote.How good trading with the ‘rest of the world is’ for us.Like cheap dumped Chinese steel for example which the EU is all too keen to let in.
I’m in the Labour Out campaign and I can’t wait to vote
gazsa401:
I’m in the Labour Out campaign and I can’t wait to vote
I’d guess that being on the same side as historic figures like Shore,Heffer and Benn is something to be proud of in that regard. 
Carryfast:
gazsa401:
I’m in the Labour Out campaign and I can’t wait to voteI’d guess that being on the same side as historic figures like Shore,Heffer and Benn is something to be proud of in that regard.
But aren’t they Old School Socialists?
Carryfast:
gazsa401:
I’m in the Labour Out campaign and I can’t wait to voteI’d guess that being on the same side as historic figures like Shore,Heffer and Benn is something to be proud of in that regard.
Plus Skinner Fields Howey to name a few
I know CF me and you don’t agree on a lot of things but on the EU there’s lots of things I do agree with you