Balkan refugee route is officially CLOSED!
Dolph:
Balkan refugee route is officially CLOSED!
Not according to Mutti Merkal Europe’s supreme leader it isn’t
Well as of today borders of Macedonia, Serbia, Croatia and Slovenia are shut down for refugees. No visa/EU passport, no entry.
Dolph:
Well as of today borders of Macedonia, Serbia, Croatia and Slovenia are shut down for refugees. No visa/EU passport, no entry.
But the Turks effectively have an open door immigration policy regarding their Islamic neighbours who then get a ‘visa’ to get them into Europe.
All as part of an obvious Islamic plan to infiltrate and change the demographic of Europe just as they’ve tried to do historically for around the last 1,000 years from Spain to the Balkans.The East Euros having now suddenly woken up to the threat.
While even then just dealing with the symptoms at the borders.But not the cause in the form of the Islamic plot behind it all and the collusion of people like Merkel in it.The latter obviously not being possible from a position of East Euro EU membership because Merkel is still running the show under the EU’s federalist constitution.A constitution which you’ve previously said you support.
Carryfast:
Dolph:
Well as of today borders of Macedonia, Serbia, Croatia and Slovenia are shut down for refugees. No visa/EU passport, no entry.But the Turks effectively have an open door immigration policy regarding their Islamic neighbours who then get a ‘visa’ to get them into Europe.
All as part of an obvious Islamic plan to infiltrate and change the demographic of Europe just as they’ve tried to do historically for around the last 1,000 years from Spain to the Balkans.The East Euros having now suddenly woken up to the threat.
While even then just dealing with the symptoms at the borders.But not the cause in the form of the Islamic plot behind it all and the collusion of people like Merkel in it.The latter obviously not being possible from a position of East Euro EU membership because Merkel is still running the show under the EU’s federalist constitution.A constitution which you’ve previously said you support.
We have been always awake for this threat and fought it for centuries. It’s you - western empires former and present who have been friends with the islamic threat and use them to gain power, influence and money. British empire best friend Ottoman’s, the American “empire” best friends Saudi’s and Qatari’s, French empire - Libya, Morocco, Algeria, Egypt etc.
Present situation is a direct result of American, Russian, British and French political and military interventions in the Middle East.
Dolph:
Carryfast:
But the Turks effectively have an open door immigration policy regarding their Islamic neighbours who then get a ‘visa’ to get them into Europe.All as part of an obvious Islamic plan to infiltrate and change the demographic of Europe just as they’ve tried to do historically for around the last 1,000 years from Spain to the Balkans.The East Euros having now suddenly woken up to the threat.
While even then just dealing with the symptoms at the borders.But not the cause in the form of the Islamic plot behind it all and the collusion of people like Merkel in it.The latter obviously not being possible from a position of East Euro EU membership because Merkel is still running the show under the EU’s federalist constitution.A constitution which you’ve previously said you support.
We have been always awake for this threat and fought it for centuries. It’s you - western empires former and present who have been friends with the islamic threat and use them to gain power, influence and money. British empire best friend Ottoman’s, the American “empire” best friends Saudi’s and Qatari’s, French empire - Libya, Morocco, Algeria, Egypt etc.
Present situation is a direct result of American, Russian, British and French political and military interventions in the Middle East.
To be fair it’s a bit ( lot ) more complicated than that. 
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of … ic_opinion
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ottoman-German_alliance
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Balfour_Declaration
In general,with a few exceptions like involvement in the Crimean War and getting involved with GW1 and 2 we’ve ( rightly ) been no friends of the Islamic cause.Those mistakes,like others,being probably more a case of the naivety and stupidity of our government,than conspiracy.As for 1914 making a deal with Germany for us and France to stay neutral so long as Germany didn’t make an alliance with the Ottoman’s might have produced better results.The common link in all cases seeming to be Germany’s and later Russia’s willingness, to ally itself with the Islamic cause,more than ours.With the Arab Israeli and Gulf Wars arguably being more a case of Russian collusion with the Arabs against Israel and Western oil supply interests.
On that note East Euro would now do far better in allying themselves with the anti EU anti Merkel agenda,than supporting her and her obvious Eurasian federal dream,in exchange for EU cash handouts.
As for the Americans as I said what can anyone expect from a country that couldn’t even understand its own constitution thereby resulting in a massive internal war of secession which the wrong side won.Although to be fair if they got it right in WW2 when it mattered.
Carryfast:
Dolph:
Carryfast:
But the Turks effectively have an open door immigration policy regarding their Islamic neighbours who then get a ‘visa’ to get them into Europe.All as part of an obvious Islamic plan to infiltrate and change the demographic of Europe just as they’ve tried to do historically for around the last 1,000 years from Spain to the Balkans.The East Euros having now suddenly woken up to the threat.
While even then just dealing with the symptoms at the borders.But not the cause in the form of the Islamic plot behind it all and the collusion of people like Merkel in it.The latter obviously not being possible from a position of East Euro EU membership because Merkel is still running the show under the EU’s federalist constitution.A constitution which you’ve previously said you support.
We have been always awake for this threat and fought it for centuries. It’s you - western empires former and present who have been friends with the islamic threat and use them to gain power, influence and money. British empire best friend Ottoman’s, the American “empire” best friends Saudi’s and Qatari’s, French empire - Libya, Morocco, Algeria, Egypt etc.
Present situation is a direct result of American, Russian, British and French political and military interventions in the Middle East.To be fair it’s a bit ( lot ) more complicated than that.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of … ic_opinion
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ottoman-German_alliance
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Balfour_Declaration
In general,with a few exceptions like involvement in the Crimean War and getting involved with GW1 and 2 we’ve ( rightly ) been no friends of the Islamic cause.Those mistakes,like others,being probably more a case of the naivety and stupidity of our government,than conspiracy.As for 1914 making a deal with Germany for us and France to stay neutral so long as Germany didn’t make an alliance with the Ottoman’s might have produced better results.The common link in all cases seeming to be Germany’s and later Russia’s willingness, to ally itself with the Islamic cause,more than ours.With the Arab Israeli and Gulf Wars arguably being more a case of Russian collusion with the Arabs against Israel and Western oil supply interests.
On that note East Euro would now do far better in allying themselves with the anti EU anti Merkel agenda,than supporting her and her obvious Eurasian federal dream,in exchange for EU cash handouts.
As for the Americans as I said what can anyone expect from a country that couldn’t even understand its own constitution thereby resulting in a massive internal war of secession which the wrong side won.Although to be fair if they got it right in WW2 when it mattered.
It was not only Crimean war and GW1, up until WWI British Empire was the main ally of the Ottomans and against our(Bulgarian) struggle for liberty. Better read more on the subject CF.
But yes, Germans have history allying with muslims in the past, as the Brits and Americans.
On your list paragraph I may add, not quite right. America could have defeated Stalin Bolshevism if had started a war with ussr and change history of mankind. Can you imagine world without communism, no Korea war, no Vietnam war, no Pol Pot, no Eastern Europe enslavement for 45 years, no cold war. My comment is inspirited from Gen. George Patton personal letters and my family and country tragedies during Soviet times.
Gen Patton:
"The more he saw of the Soviets, the stronger Patton’s conviction grew that the proper course of action would be to stifle communism then and there, while the chance existed. Later in May 1945 he attended several meetings and social affairs with top Red Army officers, and he evaluated them carefully. He noted in his diary on May 14:
“I have never seen in any army at any time, including the German Imperial Army of 1912, as severe discipline as exists in the Russian army. The officers, with few exceptions, give the appearance of recently civilized Mongolian bandits.”
And Patton’s aide, General Hobart Gay, noted in his own journal for May 14: “Everything they (the Russians) did impressed one with the idea of virility and cruelty.”
Nevertheless, Patton knew that the Americans could whip the Reds then - but perhaps not later. On May 18 he noted in his diary:
“In my opinion, the American Army as it now exists could beat the Russians with the greatest of ease, because, while the Russians have good infantry, they are lacking in artillery, air, tanks, and in the knowledge of the use of the combined arms, whereas we excel in all three of these. If it should be necessary to fight the Russians, the sooner we do it the better.”
Two days later he repeated his concern when he wrote his wife: “If we have to fight them, now is the time. From now on we will get weaker and they stronger.”
Having immediately recognized the Soviet danger and urged a course of action which would have freed all of eastern Europe from the communist yoke with the expenditure of far less American blood than was spilled in Korea and Vietnam and would have obviated both those later wars not to mention World War III - Patton next came to appreciate the true nature of the people for whom World War II was fought: the Jews".
Dolph:
It was not only Crimean war and GW1, up until WWI British Empire was the main ally of the Ottomans and against our(Bulgarian) struggle for liberty. Better read more on the subject CF.
But yes, Germans have history allying with muslims in the past, as the Brits and Americans.On your list paragraph I may add, not quite right. America could have defeated Stalin Bolshevism if had started a war with ussr and change history of mankind. Can you imagine world without communism, no Korea war, no Vietnam war, no Pol Pot, no Eastern Europe enslavement for 45 years, no cold war. My comment is inspirited from Gen. George Patton personal letters and my family and country tragedies during Soviet times.
Gen Patton:
"The more he saw of the Soviets, the stronger Patton’s conviction grew that the proper course of action would be to stifle communism then and there, while the chance existed. Later in May 1945 he attended several meetings and social affairs with top Red Army officers, and he evaluated them carefully. He noted in his diary on May 14:“I have never seen in any army at any time, including the German Imperial Army of 1912, as severe discipline as exists in the Russian army. The officers, with few exceptions, give the appearance of recently civilized Mongolian bandits.”
And Patton’s aide, General Hobart Gay, noted in his own journal for May 14: “Everything they (the Russians) did impressed one with the idea of virility and cruelty.”
Nevertheless, Patton knew that the Americans could whip the Reds then - but perhaps not later. On May 18 he noted in his diary:
“In my opinion, the American Army as it now exists could beat the Russians with the greatest of ease, because, while the Russians have good infantry, they are lacking in artillery, air, tanks, and in the knowledge of the use of the combined arms, whereas we excel in all three of these. If it should be necessary to fight the Russians, the sooner we do it the better.”
Two days later he repeated his concern when he wrote his wife: “If we have to fight them, now is the time. From now on we will get weaker and they stronger.”
Having immediately recognized the Soviet danger and urged a course of action which would have freed all of eastern Europe from the communist yoke with the expenditure of far less American blood than was spilled in Korea and Vietnam and would have obviated both those later wars not to mention World War III - Patton next came to appreciate the true nature of the people for whom World War II was fought: the Jews".
As I said geopolitics isn’t one of the Brit government’s strong points.But they’ve probably got it right as,if not more,often than they’ve got it wrong.Joining the EU being one of its less bright ideas.Like the Crimean War.
As for Balkan/East Euro matters can you blame us for the confusion historically when we’ve got the natural allies of Serbia and Greece and Russia on one side as opposed to the historic Islamic/Ottoman invasions of Europe and resulting atrocities.In which you’d expect Bulgaria and Serbia to have been natural allies in that but in fact actually historically at each other’s throats.It then supported Germany and its Ottoman allies against Serbia in WW1 and to whatever extent Hitler in WW2. 
As for Patton.If I’ve read it right he’s saying that the allies could have turned on Russia and done what Hitler and Napoleon couldn’t because he thought the Russians were weaker in fire power. 
What could possibly go wrong. 
It’s my guess they’d have retreated Eastwards until the allies had outrun their supply lines and then Patton would have found out just how ‘weak’ Russia’s tank and artillery forces were in 1945.
Personally my attitude to Russians is don’t pick a fight with them unless we really absolutely and unavoidably have to.Luckily for us all Hitler chose to ignore my advice while Churchill and Roosevelt agreed with me and not Patton.
Islam is something else.In which case Ted Cruz has got it right.
msgyorkie:
eddie snax:
war1974:
me out. however I think we will end up staying in.Strange that, because I’m voting IN, yet I think it will be OUT, as I’ve yet to meet anybody else whose for IN
Its a strange one…I mix in a very broad social spectrum of friends yet only a couple of them are going to vote to remain, the majority by far are voting out. YET all the polls are saying its almost neck to neck with both sides taking the lead depending which way the wind blows! I cant help but wonder if the polls are going to get it wrong again on the 23rd?
It does make you wonder if there is some manipulation happening to the poles
Oh the irony 5live has been talking to British expats in Spain, this to do with the British Embassy encouraging expats to vote. The irony being that quite a few of the expats want to vote OUT, at a street cafe one guy was having a pop about immigration and border. 5live also went to an Am Dram society, sounded like they had taken a little piece of Surrey to Spain, again, these expats were talking of leaving the EU
Made smile tbh 
eddie snax:
Oh the ironyMade smile tbh
The expats shouldn’t be allowed to vote most of them will want to stay in as financially it will suit them. A woman living in Ireland was on the radio the other day she had been out of the UK for 15 years and was complaining that she had lost the right to vote in the UK and that if the UK pulled she would lose the use of her E1 11 card and have to pay health insurance just like everyone else in Ireland. To sum up basically she wanted nothing to do with the UK hadn’t paid a penny towards the NHS for the last 15 years yet expected it to treat her and people go on about EE being benefit scroungers would seem we have plenty of home grown ones.
Only people paying UK taxes as individuals should be allowed to vote, claim benefits, and get free NHS for non-emergency treatment like Cosmetic surgery, “Gender Re-Alignment”, or IVF in particular.
Ex-pats still get to vote if they are still paying some kind of taxes on pension money sent out to the Costa del Auldpharts.
“No representation without taxation”.
But the Turks effectively have an open door immigration policy regarding their Islamic neighbours who then get a ‘visa’ to get them into Europe.
The Turks have an open door to refugees (regardless if Islamic or not) they do not have automatic right to go to EU, currently there are 3m syrian refugees in turkey and about 1m from other countries, the EU knows this and is trying to pay to keep them there, with sweet join EU messages and 3 or 4 billion Euros, on the other side the turkey government (erdogan - spit to the ■■■■) is using this situation to his advantage and crushing the opposition and also to gain leverage for EU membership and or small gratitudes like easy access (visa) (trades)
Winseer:
Only people paying UK taxes as individuals should be allowed to vote, claim benefits, and get free NHS for non-emergency treatment like Cosmetic surgery, “Gender Re-Alignment”, or IVF in particular.
Ex-pats still get to vote if they are still paying some kind of taxes on pension money sent out to the Costa del Auldpharts.“No representation without taxation”.
So does that count out all those retired people who worked and paid tax and national insurance in the UK during their working lives?
Just a question
Will EU citizens living in the UK have the right to vote in the upcoming referendum?
tonez:
But the Turks effectively have an open door immigration policy regarding their Islamic neighbours who then get a ‘visa’ to get them into Europe.
The Turks have an open door to refugees (regardless if Islamic or not) they do not have automatic right to go to EU, currently there are 3m syrian refugees in turkey and about 1m from other countries, the EU knows this and is trying to pay to keep them there, with sweet join EU messages and 3 or 4 billion Euros, on the other side the turkey government (erdogan - spit to the ■■■■) is using this situation to his advantage and crushing the opposition and also to gain leverage for EU membership and or small gratitudes like easy access (visa) (trades)
The reality of which translates as Erdogan is an Islamist cause supporter.Who’s allowing his country to be used as a transit area to help in an Islamic plot to invade and alter the demographic of Europe.With Merkel’s and her zbwit German voters’ collusion in the plan.EU membership for Turkey will just be a bonus and make that much easier.Which explains why none of the ‘refugees’ in question are being re settled within their own culture and in the rich Arabic areas of Saudi,Kuwait etc etc.
gazsa401:
Just a question
Will EU citizens living in the UK have the right to vote in the upcoming referendum?
I think it’s only if they’ve got UK citizenship which actually isn’t that difficult to get as an EU citizen.
Carryfast:
tonez:
But the Turks effectively have an open door immigration policy regarding their Islamic neighbours who then get a ‘visa’ to get them into Europe.
The Turks have an open door to refugees (regardless if Islamic or not) they do not have automatic right to go to EU, currently there are 3m syrian refugees in turkey and about 1m from other countries, the EU knows this and is trying to pay to keep them there, with sweet join EU messages and 3 or 4 billion Euros, on the other side the turkey government (erdogan - spit to the ■■■■) is using this situation to his advantage and crushing the opposition and also to gain leverage for EU membership and or small gratitudes like easy access (visa) (trades)
The reality of which translates as Erdogan is an Islamist cause supporter.Who’s allowing his country to be used as a transit area to help in an Islamic plot to invade and alter the demographic of Europe.With Merkel’s and her zbwit German voters’ collusion in the plan.EU membership for Turkey will just be a bonus and make that much easier.Which explains why none of the ‘refugees’ in question are being re settled within their own culture and in the rich Arabic areas of Saudi,Kuwait etc etc.
Trojan horse?
eddie snax:
war1974:
me out. however I think we will end up staying in.Strange that, because I’m voting IN, yet I think it will be OUT, as I’ve yet to meet anybody else whose for IN
I’m voting in (although I’ll keep an open mind, and may change if convinced by facts rather than emotion)
robert1952:
Trojan horse?
That could be an understatement if Saudi,Iran and Turkey are all playing the West and Russia for fools against each other.On that note it’s difficult to see what common ground there is between moderate Assad and post Islamic revolution Iran. While America’s appeasement of the obvious Saudi Turkish alliance is likely to turn around and bite us going by the lessons of history of the Islamic ■■■■■■■■■■ of Southern Europe before being pushed back through centuries of hard won costly fighting.