In or out of he eu referendum

[dolph]

Stanley Knife:
A deal has been struck with Turkey to return all new migrants crossing from Turkey into the Greek islands with the costs covered by the EU, and to lift visa requirements for Turkish citizens by, at the latest, the end of June 2016.

The EU is giving Turkey an initial €3 billion in exchange for taking back Syrian migrants, followed by another €3 billion, will lift the visa requirements for Turks entering the EU within three months, and will open talks to let Turkey join the EU as soon as possible i.e as Britons go to the polls on June 23, the EU will be scrapping visas for Turkish migrants and accelerating the process for Turkey to join the EU

This is pure and simple a mugging of the muppets that run the EU. Turkey can see that Europe is up sh creek and that they hold the trump cards. The flow of migrants across to Lesbos and Kos will not stop and very few will ever get sent back. Just imagine the riots that will break out when trying to round them up. Meanwhile Turkey gets £4.5 billion of which £0.5 billion is ours and gets to shift a whole bunch of undesirables out of their country. Meanwhile the underhand buying and selling of ISIS oil, the destruction of the Kurds and the ability to further infiltrate Europe with a religion based on the destruction of Western civilisation goes on unabated.

The sooner we’re out of this mess the better!

Don’t go ballistic on that info. First Turks if gain free visa travel will be like Macedonians, Americans or Argentinian -up to 90 days free visa(tourist) travel, without rights to work, live or settle in any EU country. Bulgaria has agreement with Turkey since 1993 and it work fine. No Turks are going to come and steal your job, if anyone overstay 90 day you can deport them immediately, period.
Turkish EU membership its just a talk, its not going to happen, EU leaders agreed on opening chapters but no time table. Also Turkey covered 12 chapters from total of 35 I think, while is criticized for its lack of press freedom. Turkey will not be accepted in EU anytime soon or at all. If you think Bulgaria and Greece will let Erdogan Turkey into EU you are very much mistaken.
Just 2 months ago the leader of Bulgarian “turk” party(Bulgarian muslims) Lyutvi Mestan was sacked from the party and parliament for defending Turkey and heaving pro Turkish views.

Just one example how though their negotiations will be.
euobserver.com/enlargement/29212

No money on the planet will buy Greek or Cyprus support!

So please don’t start with scaremongering people, because Turkey its not going to be member of EU and Turks will not be able to live or work in EU.

[carryfast]

muckles:
If he’d said that the UK leaving the EU would be brilliant, you’d be hailing him as some hero for the cause, regardless of what Country he came from.

Who said it did?

He was saying that World events would have a bigger impact on the UK economy than the outcome of the EU referendum. How is that pro or anti EU?

Here’s a bit more of what he said.

In the event of a vote for Brexit, Mr Carney said the Bank “will do everything in our power to discharge our responsibility to achieve monetary stability and financial stability”.

Doesn’t sound anti exit, just somebody who is planning for the UK’s exit if it happens.

But he added that he could not “provide a blanket assurance that there would not be issues in the short term with respect to financial stability and that potential reduction in financial stability could be associated - and normally would be associated - with poor economic outcomes, as we have seen in the past”.

The Financial Markets don’t like uncertainty, the UK voting to leave the EU will create a period of uncertainty, especially if nobody knows what the exit plan is.

But he did say issues in the short term.

The scale of the impact of Brexit on the financial sector would depend largely on the relationship negotiated following a vote for UK withdrawal, said Mr Carney.

Outcomes could range from full mutual recognition of regulations and standards - which would allow UK-based financial services companies to operate in the remaining EU under terms similar to the current “passporting” arrangements - to a scenario in which Britain would seek access to European markets in a similar way to any other third country, he said.

Just giving various options as to how the financial sector can operate after an EU exit.
I don’t see a statement that if we leave the EU we’re all doomed, but a statement saying there will be difficulties, but they can be overcome and outlining the options.

He also said he was happy with the deal Cameron had done for the Financial Sector if we stayed in the EU, he believed it safe guarded non Euro countries.

It seems quite balanced to me and a statement from somebody who will do what he can for the UK financial sector regardless of the outcome of the vote.

The unwarranted reference to ‘uncertainty’ was baseless.‘Uncertainty’ of what other than the obvious implications for the German economy because of the banks’ exposure to investment in the German economy and Germany having to make up for the shortfall in our lost contributions.On that note it’s obvious that we actually need a regime in which we stop the foreign aid scam of our net contributions and balance our trade figures with the EU.No surprise that investors in the German economy won’t like that and it’s ‘that’ issue which is spooking the bankers.Everything else is just unbelievable scare tactics of EU trade sanctions against us,from an impossible position of trade surplus,to rig the referendum vote in the bankers’ ( and Merkel’s ) favour.Relying on the ignorance of the electorate to go along with the scam as usual.

[muckles]

So do you believe the UK’s exit from the EU will be a bed of roses, with no problems?

[carryfast]

Dolph:

Stanley Knife:
A deal has been struck with Turkey to return all new migrants crossing from Turkey into the Greek islands with the costs covered by the EU, and to lift visa requirements for Turkish citizens by, at the latest, the end of June 2016.

The EU is giving Turkey an initial €3 billion in exchange for taking back Syrian migrants, followed by another €3 billion, will lift the visa requirements for Turks entering the EU within three months, and will open talks to let Turkey join the EU as soon as possible i.e as Britons go to the polls on June 23, the EU will be scrapping visas for Turkish migrants and accelerating the process for Turkey to join the EU

This is pure and simple a mugging of the muppets that run the EU. Turkey can see that Europe is up sh creek and that they hold the trump cards. The flow of migrants across to Lesbos and Kos will not stop and very few will ever get sent back. Just imagine the riots that will break out when trying to round them up. Meanwhile Turkey gets £4.5 billion of which £0.5 billion is ours and gets to shift a whole bunch of undesirables out of their country. Meanwhile the underhand buying and selling of ISIS oil, the destruction of the Kurds and the ability to further infiltrate Europe with a religion based on the destruction of Western civilisation goes on unabated.

The sooner we’re out of this mess the better!

Don’t go ballistic on that info. First Turks if gain free visa travel will be like Macedonians, Americans or Argentinian -up to 90 days free visa(tourist) travel, without rights to work, live or settle in any EU country. Bulgaria has agreement with Turkey since 1993 and it work fine. No Turks are going to come and steal your job, if anyone overstay 90 day you can deport them immediately, period.
Turkish EU membership its just a talk, its not going to happen, EU leaders agreed on opening chapters but no time table. Also Turkey covered 12 chapters from total of 35 I think, while is criticized for its lack of press freedom. Turkey will not be accepted in EU anytime soon or at all. If you think Bulgaria and Greece will let Erdogan Turkey into EU you are very much mistaken.
Just 2 months ago the leader of Bulgarian “turk” party(Bulgarian muslims) Lyutvi Mestan was sacked from the party and parliament for defending Turkey and heaving pro Turkish views.

Just one example how though their negotiations will be.
euobserver.com/enlargement/29212

No money on the planet will buy Greek or Cyprus support!

So please don’t start with scaremongering people, because Turkey its not going to be member of EU and Turks will not be able to live or work in EU.

Are you sure it needs a Unanimous vote to let Turkey in or is it Qualified Majority Voting which as a supporter of a USE you said you want.Good luck with that.Be careful what you wish for.On that note I’d guess that the Turks and all their Islamic zbwit cronies will be heading to join their mates in Bosnia not Greece.Probably on the basis of telling you try and stop us if you think you’re ard enough.Which doesn’t look good going by previous experience.Let’s just say that if it was me I’d be keeping on good terms with Putin and Serbia not zb Merkel in that regard.Although you’ve obviously historically blotted your copy book with them in that case.I’d guess that Croatia will also be zbing themselves at that thought too having jumped from a Russian and Serb controlled Yugoslavia into Merkel’s EurAsian federation instead.

[carryfast]

muckles:
So do you believe the UK’s exit from the EU will be a bed of roses, with no problems?

Let’s just say we ended up in a septic tank full of zb having jumped from our pre EEC EFTA bed of roses when we joined in 1973 and stayed there ever since.Strange how we didn’t hear any issues about uncertainty from the bankers then though.Just as when they wanted us to join the Euro.

[dolph]

Carryfast:

Dolph:

Stanley Knife:
A deal has been struck with Turkey to return all new migrants crossing from Turkey into the Greek islands with the costs covered by the EU, and to lift visa requirements for Turkish citizens by, at the latest, the end of June 2016.

The EU is giving Turkey an initial €3 billion in exchange for taking back Syrian migrants, followed by another €3 billion, will lift the visa requirements for Turks entering the EU within three months, and will open talks to let Turkey join the EU as soon as possible i.e as Britons go to the polls on June 23, the EU will be scrapping visas for Turkish migrants and accelerating the process for Turkey to join the EU

This is pure and simple a mugging of the muppets that run the EU. Turkey can see that Europe is up sh creek and that they hold the trump cards. The flow of migrants across to Lesbos and Kos will not stop and very few will ever get sent back. Just imagine the riots that will break out when trying to round them up. Meanwhile Turkey gets £4.5 billion of which £0.5 billion is ours and gets to shift a whole bunch of undesirables out of their country. Meanwhile the underhand buying and selling of ISIS oil, the destruction of the Kurds and the ability to further infiltrate Europe with a religion based on the destruction of Western civilisation goes on unabated.

The sooner we’re out of this mess the better!

Don’t go ballistic on that info. First Turks if gain free visa travel will be like Macedonians, Americans or Argentinian -up to 90 days free visa(tourist) travel, without rights to work, live or settle in any EU country. Bulgaria has agreement with Turkey since 1993 and it work fine. No Turks are going to come and steal your job, if anyone overstay 90 day you can deport them immediately, period.
Turkish EU membership its just a talk, its not going to happen, EU leaders agreed on opening chapters but no time table. Also Turkey covered 12 chapters from total of 35 I think, while is criticized for its lack of press freedom. Turkey will not be accepted in EU anytime soon or at all. If you think Bulgaria and Greece will let Erdogan Turkey into EU you are very much mistaken.
Just 2 months ago the leader of Bulgarian “turk” party(Bulgarian muslims) Lyutvi Mestan was sacked from the party and parliament for defending Turkey and heaving pro Turkish views.

Just one example how though their negotiations will be.
euobserver.com/enlargement/29212

No money on the planet will buy Greek or Cyprus support!

So please don’t start with scaremongering people, because Turkey its not going to be member of EU and Turks will not be able to live or work in EU.

Are you sure it needs a Unanimous vote to let Turkey in or is it Qualified Majority Voting which as a supporter of a USE you said you want.Good luck with that.Be careful what you wish for.On that note I’d guess that the Turks and all their Islamic zbwit cronies will be heading to join their mates in Bosnia not Greece.Probably on the basis of telling you try and stop us if you think you’re ard enough.Which doesn’t look good going by previous experience.Let’s just say that if it was me I’d be keeping on good terms with Putin and Serbia not zb Merkel in that regard.Although you’ve obviously historically blotted your copy book with them in that case.

Oh yeah Im sure that every EU member has to agree on a new member application. The most interesting thing that is not mentioned here is that British government is advocating for Turkey acceptance very strongly since day one.
Well we are stopping them, fence being build, army being deployed etc. no muslim invader like to cross Bulgaria border, to hostile for them And its no way hostile border like in soviet times.
Nothing good happened being in good terms with Russians or Germans in the past, today its the Americans - same ■■■■ different day, excuse my language.

breitbart.com/london/2016/03 … -in-a-day/

I agree with the PM statement:“The term ‘illegal migrant’ should be applied in its legal sense, in other words we cannot tolerate violation of the law, he said."

[carryfast]

Dolph:
Oh yeah Im sure that every EU member has to agree on a new member application. The most interesting thing that is not mentioned here is that British government is advocating for Turkey acceptance very strongly since day one.
Well we are stopping them, fence being build, army being deployed etc. no muslim invader like to cross Bulgaria border, to hostile for them And its no way hostile border like in soviet times.
Nothing good happened being in good terms with Russians or Germans in the past, today its the Americans - same [zb] different day, excuse my language.

breitbart.com/london/2016/03 … -in-a-day/

I agree with the PM statement:“The term ‘illegal migrant’ should be applied in its legal sense, in other words we cannot tolerate violation of the law, he said."

Seems like a real cluster zb.

We’ve got East Euro and Greece that aren’t keen for obvious ( correct ) historic reasons.

We’ve got Germany supposedly against but Merkel wants to fast track Turkey’s application.

The Americans obviously haven’t got a zb clue what’s going on,or who’s who,or which side they are on.

The French government want Turkey in as do the Brit government but no one with any sense living in France or here wants it.

East Euro wants a Federal USE but they also want sovereignty over their countries and borders mostly to stop another Islamic Jihad exploding in the Balkans caused by Merkel’s intention to create a EurAsian federation not just a USE.

How about we compromise in a Confederation of Sovereign European States ( CSE ) in which the Hungarian or Bulgarian leader is the ‘president’.The yanks will hate it.Or maybe not.That’s what I’d call a worthy replacement for the EU flag.We obviously won’t need the centre seal.

confederatelegion.com/Legion_Flag.html

[eddie_snax]

Carryfast:

robert1952:
This should be national news. Posted on Truckblog.UK today. Robert

truckblog.co.uk/

Strangely the East Euros carry out a much bigger proportion of UK-Euro freight journeys but it’s the much smaller proportion of the Brits who seem to be subject to a much higher proportional amount of hostility from the ‘refugees’.Maybe more proof of an agenda within an agenda among the foreign invasion that seems disproportionately keen to leave the safe continent to get here for ‘some’ reason.

No surprise it won’t make big mainstream media news because it doesn’t fit the script of our bleeding heart open door immigration policy.

I don’t disagree with most what you say on this subject, but I do want to make some comments.

Carryfast:
Strangely the East Euros carry out a much bigger proportion of UK-Euro freight journeys but it’s the much smaller proportion of the Brits who seem to be subject to a much higher proportional amount of hostility from the ‘refugees’…

Yet in the article it states

I will just add it’s not just UK drivers at risk. The immigrants also seriously attacked approximately 12 trucks that night, 2 other English, a Turkish driver (also needed medical attention), 2 French trucks and the rest were Eastern European.

Which I make to be 6 Eastern European.

As an adjunct to that statement, last year there was a picture in truckstop news, showing a foreign registered lhd MAN with a pole smashed into the windscreen, on the righthand side, and as that article stated, a rhd truck , would have had an either dead or seriously injured driver at the wheel.

Carryfast:
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.Maybe more proof of an agenda within an agenda among the foreign invasion that seems disproportionately keen to leave the safe continent to get here for ‘some’ reason…

Well yes we know why, benefit britain, but to go back to the origins of the thread, leaving the EU wont make a blind bit of difference to this situation, unless France does remove the UK border force from Calais, which means that the Immigrants will enter the UK, and disappear into the night, no jungle camp at Folkestone, it London all the way.

Carryfast:
[No surprise it won’t make big mainstream media news because it doesn’t fit the script of our bleeding heart open door immigration policy.

Not a chance, the BBC would rather fill the airwaves with the sob stories of these low lifes.

And again I will add, that the political and judicial class of this country wont change their attitudes and policies, on this subject because we leave the EU.

[eddie_snax]

Carryfast:

Dolph:
Oh yeah Im sure that every EU member has to agree on a new member application. The most interesting thing that is not mentioned here is that British government is advocating for Turkey acceptance very strongly since day one.
Well we are stopping them, fence being build, army being deployed etc. no muslim invader like to cross Bulgaria border, to hostile for them And its no way hostile border like in soviet times.
Nothing good happened being in good terms with Russians or Germans in the past, today its the Americans - same [zb] different day, excuse my language.

breitbart.com/london/2016/03 … -in-a-day/

I agree with the PM statement:“The term ‘illegal migrant’ should be applied in its legal sense, in other words we cannot tolerate violation of the law, he said."

Seems like a real cluster zb.

We’ve got East Euro and Greece that aren’t keen for obvious ( correct ) historic reasons.

We’ve got Germany supposedly against but Merkel wants to fast track Turkey’s application.

The Americans obviously haven’t got a zb clue what’s going on,or who’s who,or which side they are on.

The French government want Turkey in as do the Brit government but no one with any sense living in France or here wants it.

East Euro wants a Federal USE but they also want sovereignty over their countries and borders mostly to stop another Islamic Jihad exploding in the Balkans caused by Merkel’s intention to create a EurAsian federation not just a USE.

How about we compromise in a Confederation of Sovereign European States ( CSE ) in which the Hungarian or Bulgarian leader is the ‘president’.The yanks will hate it.Or maybe not.That’s what I’d call a worthy replacement for the EU flag.We obviously won’t need the centre seal.

confederatelegion.com/Legion_Flag.html

I think you have that wrong about France, I heard that they wont entertain Turkey joining in anyway shape or form, and if the secular Turkey that existed in 1987, the year of their original application, then the religious based government of recent in Turkey, don’t stand a cat in hells chance.

Dolph:
Don’t go ballistic on that info. First Turks if gain free visa travel will be like Macedonians, Americans or Argentinian -up to 90 days free visa(tourist) travel, without rights to work, live or settle in any EU country. Bulgaria has agreement with Turkey since 1993 and it work fine. No Turks are going to come and steal your job, if anyone overstay 90 day you can deport them immediately, period.
.

Dolph appears to have that correct about VISA’s, and that will last right up to the point where an even more fundamentalist Turkish Government comes to power, and it will.

At least the EU are trying to do something though.

[winseer]

Stanley Knife:
A deal has been struck with Turkey to return all new migrants crossing from Turkey into the Greek islands with the costs covered by the EU, and to lift visa requirements for Turkish citizens by, at the latest, the end of June 2016.

The EU is giving Turkey an initial €3 billion in exchange for taking back Syrian migrants, followed by another €3 billion, will lift the visa requirements for Turks entering the EU within three months, and will open talks to let Turkey join the EU as soon as possible i.e as Britons go to the polls on June 23, the EU will be scrapping visas for Turkish migrants and accelerating the process for Turkey to join the EU

This is pure and simple a mugging of the muppets that run the EU. Turkey can see that Europe is up sh creek and that they hold the trump cards. The flow of migrants across to Lesbos and Kos will not stop and very few will ever get sent back. Just imagine the riots that will break out when trying to round them up. Meanwhile Turkey gets £4.5 billion of which £0.5 billion is ours and gets to shift a whole bunch of undesirables out of their country. Meanwhile the underhand buying and selling of ISIS oil, the destruction of the Kurds and the ability to further infiltrate Europe with a religion based on the destruction of Western civilisation goes on unabated.

The sooner we’re out of this mess the better!

They don’t hold any cards - but a good poker player doesn’t need cards if he knows all his opponents got f— all. A good player shoves (with air) and watches everyone else (also with air) then fold - because you can’t call anyone’s all-in pre flop with 2-7o regardless of whether you think the aggressor is ■■■■■■■ you about with rubbish himself or not.

Turkey’s trump card, if it can be called that - is they don’t care who gets hurt.

Murder some Kurds looking for more autonomy in the region? - No problem. Just call them terrorists, and hide behind NATO if Russia looks you up.
Murder a Russian Pilot? - No problem. Run back behind NATOs skirts again, as “You can’t retaliate vs we Turks without starting WWIII!”
Bomb a hospital trying to get kill some Kurds? - Just blame it on the Russians! - they can’t prove it wasn’t them, so the rest of the world will ALWAYS believe us when we say it WAS them!
Take some refuges? - Hey NATO and EU mother? - How about some 3bn in aid here? Thanks… Now how about the same amount again?

Jeez… The entire middle east must be laughing their socks off at how the Turkish government is running rings around us all in the rest of the world right now…

We could boot Turkey out of NATO, and let the Russians eat them alive…

The Turks treated us very badly in WWI. They want to continue treating us badly, but this time using a Proxy war to do it.
If only the EU and NATO could stop this daft argument that “Expansion is worth it at ANY price”. We would really rather not be taking governments run by the bloody Borgias like Turkey and Ukraine under our wing right now thanks very much! Discard them both, and close the borders.

I’d be happy to vote IN if we get this done by June.

[muckles]

Carryfast:

muckles:
So do you believe the UK’s exit from the EU will be a bed of roses, with no problems?

Let’s just say we ended up in a septic tank full of zb having jumped from our pre EEC EFTA bed of roses when we joined in 1973 and stayed there ever since.Strange how we didn’t hear any issues about uncertainty from the bankers then though.Just as when they wanted us to join the Euro.

I don’t think the EU is a bed of roses and I doubt it will get better if we stay, regardless of any promises that have supposedly been made, but I can’t believe that changing a system will be a simple process without problems and issues, and so how can I trust any organistaion that doesn’t give me realistic expectations of the problems and pitfalls of exit, which doesn’t mean I don’t believe Britain couldn’t a have future outside of the EU, but don’t want people blowing smoke up my arse telling me it will all be great from day 1.

The way you pounce on any statement that doesn’t say the leaving the EU would be some sort of Utopia, I suppose you would have accused Churchill of being a traitor when he offered nothing but Blood, Toil, Sweat and Tears, instead of saying the war would be a walk over.

[carryfast]

eddie snax:
I think you have that wrong about France, I heard that they wont entertain Turkey joining in anyway shape or form, and if the secular Turkey that existed in 1987, the year of their original application, then the religious based government of recent in Turkey, don’t stand a cat in hells chance.

As I said there’s a difference between what Hollande wants as opposed to the average FN voter.Just as in the case of Cameron v UKIP and possibly hopefully Eurosceptic Con.

reuters.com/article/us-franc … EV20140127

telegraph.co.uk/news/politic … fears.html

As it stands we’ve got Cameron and Hollande and even more so Merkel all pushing for Turkey to enter the EU.In large part in support of zbwit American foreign policy.Which isn’t surprising considering the Americans can’t even understand their own constitution ( IE ‘supposed’ to be a ‘Confederation’ not Federation ) let alone anyone else’s.

All of which will obviously be a deal breaker in the case of East Euro and Greece for good historic reasons and hopefully strenghthen the French FN vote and UK out vote.As for the Germans another bunch of federalist zbwits who don’t know what they are doing or actually voting for in the case firstly Hitler and now Merkel.

[carryfast]

Winseer:
If only the EU and NATO could stop this daft argument that “Expansion is worth it at ANY price”. We would really rather not be taking governments run by the bloody Borgias like Turkey and Ukraine under our wing right now thanks very much! Discard them both, and close the borders.

I’d be happy to vote IN if we get this done by June.

The inconvenient fact being that you’ve got the US administration and their puppets Cameron and Hollande standing in your way.While Merkel has completely lost even that plot ( more like a Stasi agenda within a US agenda ) in thinking that Europe and Asia is all one big happy federal family and upsetting the Russians is also good fun.In which all the problems they’ve made for themselves in Asia can be fixed if we bring them all to live with us here.

As for me I’d also be happy to vote ‘in’ ‘if’ Farage could come back with a deal which tears up the treaties of Rome/Maastricht/Lisbon to be replaced by a new European Confederal Constitution in which all the States retain supreme total sovereignty over all matters providing the right of opt out,substitution and VETO.

[carryfast]

muckles:

Carryfast:
Let’s just say we ended up in a septic tank full of zb having jumped from our pre EEC EFTA bed of roses when we joined in 1973 and stayed there ever since.Strange how we didn’t hear any issues about uncertainty from the bankers then though.Just as when they wanted us to join the Euro.

I don’t think the EU is a bed of roses and I doubt it will get better if we stay, regardless of any promises that have supposedly been made, but I can’t believe that changing a system will be a simple process without problems and issues, and so how can I trust any organistaion that doesn’t give me realistic expectations of the problems and pitfalls of exit, which doesn’t mean I don’t believe Britain couldn’t a have future outside of the EU, but don’t want people blowing smoke up my arse telling me it will all be great from day 1.

The way you pounce on any statement that doesn’t say the leaving the EU would be some sort of Utopia, I suppose you would have accused Churchill of being a traitor when he offered nothing but Blood, Toil, Sweat and Tears, instead of saying the war would be a walk over.

As I said if it’s such a big deal to withdraw from the EU and go back to where we were doing just fine in EFTA why was it considered so easy to do the opposite.Blowing smoke and lying about how good it was going to be from day 1 being exactly what Heath and his Europhile cronies like Thatcher did firstly without a referendum and then when Wilson finally gave us one.The in campaign in all cases being based on bs scare tactics and outright lies then and now.

On that note of course there’s no such thing in life as a free lunch but EFTA wasn’t and still isn’t exactly a third world organisation nor a bad place to be.As opposed to Merkel’s Federal USE.

[war1974]

i wonder how many pages this thread would be if carryfast lost all internet for a few weeks?

[carryfast]

war1974:
i wonder how many pages this thread would be if carryfast lost all internet for a few weeks?

So are you for in or out.

[war1974]

me out. however I think we will end up staying in.

[eddie_snax]

war1974:
me out. however I think we will end up staying in.

Strange that, because I’m voting IN, yet I think it will be OUT, as I’ve yet to meet anybody else whose for IN

[msgyorkie]

eddie snax:

war1974:
me out. however I think we will end up staying in.

Strange that, because I’m voting IN, yet I think it will be OUT, as I’ve yet to meet anybody else whose for IN

Its a strange one…I mix in a very broad social spectrum of friends yet only a couple of them are going to vote to remain, the majority by far are voting out. YET all the polls are saying its almost neck to neck with both sides taking the lead depending which way the wind blows! I cant help but wonder if the polls are going to get it wrong again on the 23rd?

[james_the_cat]

Carryfast:

muckles:

Carryfast:
Let’s just say we ended up in a septic tank full of zb having jumped from our pre EEC EFTA bed of roses when we joined in 1973 and stayed there ever since.Strange how we didn’t hear any issues about uncertainty from the bankers then though.Just as when they wanted us to join the Euro.

I don’t think the EU is a bed of roses and I doubt it will get better if we stay, regardless of any promises that have supposedly been made, but I can’t believe that changing a system will be a simple process without problems and issues, and so how can I trust any organistaion that doesn’t give me realistic expectations of the problems and pitfalls of exit, which doesn’t mean I don’t believe Britain couldn’t a have future outside of the EU, but don’t want people blowing smoke up my arse telling me it will all be great from day 1.

The way you pounce on any statement that doesn’t say the leaving the EU would be some sort of Utopia, I suppose you would have accused Churchill of being a traitor when he offered nothing but Blood, Toil, Sweat and Tears, instead of saying the war would be a walk over.

As I said if it’s such a big deal to withdraw from the EU and go back to where we were doing just fine in EFTA why was it considered so easy to do the opposite.Blowing smoke and lying about how good it was going to be from day 1 being exactly what Heath and his Europhile cronies like Thatcher did firstly without a referendum and then when Wilson finally gave us one.The in campaign in all cases being based on bs scare tactics and outright lies then and now.

On that note of course there’s no such thing in life as a free lunch but EFTA wasn’t and still isn’t exactly a third world organisation nor a bad place to be.As opposed to Merkel’s Federal USE.

Yaaaaaawn!