In or out of he eu referendum

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"The British people have decided that they no longer want immigration on the level it currently is, and they no longer trust your side of the argument to act in their interests on the matter. That is the core of the matter, you are considered untrustworthy. The Remain camp are saying that the Brexit campaign has to define this or define that, sorry to have to burst your bubble but no we don’t, it is the Remain side that has a monumental and perhaps impossible task to mitigate to the British people their 40yrs of deceit in 4 months.
All three parties have conspired at various times to bypass the views of the British public to enforce creeping integration including open borders. The records of all three parties are there for all to see, ( isn’t the Internet a wonderful tool of democratic accountability) claiming that mass immigration from the EU would not happen, claiming it would not impact on wages, doomesday scenarios if we didn’t join the ERM or Euro etc, etc. You have cried wolf on that many occasions that it barely registers with the public anymore…
…one word TRUST, you are not trusted to tell the truth on any matters relating to the EU, perfectly exampled by the current risible scaremongering campaign, an own goal hat trick if ever there was one. Immigration will decide this referendum, and if you have nothing serious to offer to reduce it and control it other than wordy rhetoric, then the Europhiles might as well pack up their tents and go home."

A speech from a Kipper? A piece from a right wing blood thirsty Tory? No it’s actually from that bastion of everything EU - the Lib Dems!

libdemvoice.org/remain-and-i … 49613.html

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Stanley Knife:
Lukas Reimann of the Swiss People’s Party proposed the motion, arguing it was “high time” to withdraw the application. He also gave a good-luck message to the people of Britain who wish to quit the bloc: “This is a clear and historical message from the Swiss parliament to British voters. We wish you the best of luck for Brexit."

My reply to that is thanks for a great endorsement and encouragement from old friends and really looking forward to and hoping to rejoin you in EFTA. :bulb: :smiley:

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I might vote pies. Or failing that, give peas a chance.

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This should be national news. Posted on Truckblog.UK today. Robert

truckblog.co.uk/

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robert1952:
This should be national news. Posted on Truckblog.UK today. Robert

truckblog.co.uk/

Strangely the East Euros carry out a much bigger proportion of UK-Euro freight journeys but it’s the much smaller proportion of the Brits who seem to be subject to a much higher proportional amount of hostility from the ‘refugees’.Maybe more proof of an agenda within an agenda among the foreign invasion that seems disproportionately keen to leave the safe continent to get here for ‘some’ reason.

No surprise it won’t make big mainstream media news because it doesn’t fit the script of our bleeding heart open door immigration policy.

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For a matter of interest - does anyone know if Brits driving FOREIGN artics are getting more or less hassle from the illegals?

What if one is a driver for Waberers, and actually living as an ex-pat Brit in Hungary, and coming over here in one of their Magyar-plated trucks?

Are you getting spears through YOUR windscreen, or do they think “You’re not a Brit” and just wave you through? :confused:

…They are not likely to know what country you’re from - just by looking at your mug and vehicle plate are they?

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Winseer:
For a matter of interest - does anyone know if Brits driving FOREIGN artics are getting more or less hassle from the illegals

It would be interesting to find out the answer to the first question as to whether drivers of Brit reg trucks are getting more aggro than the rest ?.The answer possibly presenting some inconvenient realities regarding the motives of the invasion force trying to get here.On that note they are probably bright enough to at least recognise a Brit truck.While it would be interesting to test the theory by driving a Brit reg wagon down to the Turkish Syrian borderlands or North Africa and see what happens. :bulb:

While contrary to the in campaign propaganda I’d doubt if there’s many Brit drivers working for Euro firms.

While this seems to suggest that they are predictably targetting the reg and/or RHD,not the ethnicity of the driver. :bulb:

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Maybe Mark Carney can explain how net contributions and a trade deficit running into billions is supposedly good for the economy.Or even better just zb off back to Canada and stop interfering in the internal domestic affairs of a foreign country. :imp:

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Carryfast:
All it would take is for Corbyn to have a light bulb moment when he realises that Socialism won’t work and go for Nationalism and protectionism instead and the Cons would be toast.

Are you serious? I’ve read through your isolationist bunker-mentality dribble for a while and taken the view that everyone’s entitled to an honest opinion; but by stating that you’ve proved beyond doubt that you’re irredeemably barmy.

Suggest you reserve a spot next to Comrade Jeremy in the bunker mate.

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Carryfast:
Maybe Mark Carney can explain how net contributions and a trade deficit running into billions is supposedly good for the economy.Or even better just zb off back to Canada and stop interfering in the internal domestic affairs of a foreign country. :imp:

confused now I thought you were all for those in the former colonies to move to the UK, under the principle of Jus sanguinis, and as Mark Carney apparently has Irish heritage, or don’t the Irish count under your principles?

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Sidevalve:

Carryfast:
All it would take is for Corbyn to have a light bulb moment when he realises that Socialism won’t work and go for Nationalism and protectionism instead and the Cons would be toast.

Are you serious? I’ve read through your isolationist bunker-mentality dribble for a while and taken the view that everyone’s entitled to an honest opinion; but by stating that you’ve proved beyond doubt that you’re irredeemably barmy.

Suggest you reserve a spot next to Comrade Jeremy in the bunker mate.

As I said the EU ( and the global free market economy ) for those who don’t understand basic maths. :unamused: :laughing: As for bunker mentality no it’s the idea of the nation state and doing what’s best for the country as part of that not what Merkel and the Chinese Communist Party dictates.

As for Comrade Jeremy to my knowledge the commy zb is actually on the side of the in campaign together with Blair so good luck with that.

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muckles:

Carryfast:
Maybe Mark Carney can explain how net contributions and a trade deficit running into billions is supposedly good for the economy.Or even better just zb off back to Canada and stop interfering in the internal domestic affairs of a foreign country. :imp:

confused now I thought you were all for those in the former colonies to move to the UK, under the principle of Jus sanguinis, and as Mark Carney apparently has Irish heritage, or don’t the Irish count under your principles?

Leave it out Canada has long since moved away from the point where it has any loyalty whatsoever to its founding ethnic groups.To the point where it’s now gone as bleeding heart Socialist bat zb crazy,regarding immigration and the definition of ‘Canadian’,as Merkel’s idea of ‘German’ and ‘European’.So I’m obviously judging the waste of space zb by his own and his country’s standards as they stand now.Not by mine and generations previously that regarded Canada as an ethnic English/Irish/Scottish colony.Just as there wasn’t much point in people giving their lives for the Irish Nationalist cause only to throw the place to Merkel’s rule instead of Churchill’s. :bulb:

toronto.ctvnews.ca/protestors-de … -1.2549336

While notwithstanding any of that his bs economic argument doesn’t even fit the actual numbers.In which case as I said he should zb off back home and let Canada join ( and subsidise ) Merkel’s federalist EurAbia scam instead of us.On that note the ‘Canadians’ should be careful what they wish for. :unamused:

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Carryfast:

muckles:

Carryfast:
Maybe Mark Carney can explain how net contributions and a trade deficit running into billions is supposedly good for the economy.Or even better just zb off back to Canada and stop interfering in the internal domestic affairs of a foreign country. :imp:

confused now I thought you were all for those in the former colonies to move to the UK, under the principle of Jus sanguinis, and as Mark Carney apparently has Irish heritage, or don’t the Irish count under your principles?

Leave it out Canada has long since moved away from the point where it has any loyalty whatsoever to its founding ethnic groups.

You seemed to have a different opinion not so long ago? :confused:

Carryfast:

BillyHunt:
try telling that to the French Canadiens. I think you’ve missed your own point, what do you think “ex” means?.

Now independently ‘governed’ ‘colonies’ doesn’t change the fact that we are still one ‘nation’ based on a definition of Jus Sanguinis. :bulb: :unamused:

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muckles:

Carryfast:
Leave it out Canada has long since moved away from the point where it has any loyalty whatsoever to its founding ethnic groups.

You seemed to have a different opinion not so long ago? :confused:

Carryfast:

BillyHunt:
try telling that to the French Canadiens. I think you’ve missed your own point, what do you think “ex” means?.

Now independently ‘governed’ ‘colonies’ doesn’t change the fact that we are still one ‘nation’ based on a definition of Jus Sanguinis. :bulb: :unamused:

That’s ‘my’ personal point of view.The ‘Canadian’ government obviously doesn’t reciprocate by agreeing with ‘me’ because ‘they’ don’t view ‘us’ as one nation based on a definition of jus sanguinis.In which case what gives the ‘Canadians’ the so called right,to come here then get into a position of power and then to add insult to injury talk unwarranted not factual bollox to influence a domestic referendum result,when it conveniently suits them. :imp: :unamused:

While yes ‘if’ the Canadian government ‘did’ share ‘my’ view,in providing free movement between UK-Canada based on jus Sanguinis,then yes ‘that’ ‘would’ give him the required credibility to support the in campaign.But still not justify the unwarranted not factual bs he is using to support the in campaign.IE if you’re going to use my comments then don’t cherry pick and use them selectively. :bulb:

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A deal has been struck with Turkey to return all new migrants crossing from Turkey into the Greek islands with the costs covered by the EU, and to lift visa requirements for Turkish citizens by, at the latest, the end of June 2016.

The EU is giving Turkey an initial €3 billion in exchange for taking back Syrian migrants, followed by another €3 billion, will lift the visa requirements for Turks entering the EU within three months, and will open talks to let Turkey join the EU as soon as possible i.e as Britons go to the polls on June 23, the EU will be scrapping visas for Turkish migrants and accelerating the process for Turkey to join the EU :open_mouth:

This is pure and simple a mugging of the muppets that run the EU. Turkey can see that Europe is up sh creek and that they hold the trump cards. The flow of migrants across to Lesbos and Kos will not stop and very few will ever get sent back. Just imagine the riots that will break out when trying to round them up. Meanwhile Turkey gets £4.5 billion of which £0.5 billion is ours and gets to shift a whole bunch of undesirables out of their country. Meanwhile the underhand buying and selling of ISIS oil, the destruction of the Kurds and the ability to further infiltrate Europe with a religion based on the destruction of Western civilisation goes on unabated.

The sooner we’re out of this mess the better!

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Carryfast:

muckles:

Carryfast:
Leave it out Canada has long since moved away from the point where it has any loyalty whatsoever to its founding ethnic groups.

You seemed to have a different opinion not so long ago? :confused:

Carryfast:

BillyHunt:
try telling that to the French Canadiens. I think you’ve missed your own point, what do you think “ex” means?.

Now independently ‘governed’ ‘colonies’ doesn’t change the fact that we are still one ‘nation’ based on a definition of Jus Sanguinis. :bulb: :unamused:

That’s ‘my’ personal point of view.The ‘Canadian’ government obviously doesn’t reciprocate by agreeing with ‘me’ because ‘they’ don’t view ‘us’ as one nation based on a definition of jus sanguinis.

And neither do Australia, New Zealand, The US or even our own Country, although you can freely move to the Countries of our Anglo Saxon heritage.

While yes ‘if’ the Canadian government ‘did’ share ‘my’ view,in providing free movement between UK-Canada based on jus Sanguinis,then yes ‘that’ ‘would’ give him the required credibility to support the in campaign.But still not justify the unwarranted not factual bs he is using to support the in campaign.

So basically you are the only authority on the subject of us leaving the EU and anybody who differs from your opinion is BS’s?
And when he said World events, such as the economic slow down in China could have a bigger effect on our economy than leaving the EU, you’d still say that was BS?

IE if you’re going to use my comments then don’t cherry pick and use them selectively. :bulb:

No selectivity to that that quote. you were banging on about people with British ancestry being able to move between the former colonies.

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The British Chambers of Commerce’s official line is that they are “a non-partisan organisation” and that senior figures airing personal views will “create confusion regarding the BCC’s neutral stance”.

So when the BCC suspended their boss John Longworth for giving an interview backing Brexit it makes a nice change to hear of an organisation standing by its principles. And when the Chief Executive’s of both Kent and Cornwall branches publicly endorsed the Remain campaign you would expect the same - yes? No, they are both still in their respective positions.

The BCC press release about Longworth’s resignation says:

“All representatives of the BCC have the right to personal and political views on the key issues of the day. However, they are not expected to articulate these views while acting in their professional capacity, as their views could be misconstrued as representing the position of the organisation as a whole.”

The thing is the BCC press officers contacted news organisations explicitly offering Longworth up for interview, then suspended him for giving his view during that interview. What did they expect the long-time Eurosceptic was going to say?

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muckles:
And neither do Australia, New Zealand, The US or even our own Country, although you can freely move to the Countries of our Anglo Saxon heritage.

So basically you are the only authority on the subject of us leaving the EU and anybody who differs from your opinion is BS’s?
And when he said World events, such as the economic slow down in China could have a bigger effect on our economy than leaving the EU, you’d still say that was BS?

No selectivity to that that quote. you were banging on about people with British ancestry being able to move between the former colonies.

Yes I was banging on about free movement between here and the colonies based on a rule of jus sanguinis.However there is no free movement on that basis so what makes you think that a Canadian should be allowed to influence a domestic UK referendum. :unamused:

England and its Anglo Saxon links have nothing to do with the Federation of ‘Germany’ ( luckily ) as proved by what happened in 1939-45.Let alone the EU.

Feel free to explain what difference EU membership or not makes to issues involving the Chinese economy.

Or for that matter how our EU trade deficit and net contributions both running into billions can possibly be anything other than a massive net burden on our economy regardless.Those figures not being my ‘opinion’ but fact.

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Stanley Knife:
The British Chambers of Commerce’s official line is that they are “a non-partisan organisation” and that senior figures airing personal views will “create confusion regarding the BCC’s neutral stance”.

So when the BCC suspended their boss John Longworth for giving an interview backing Brexit it makes a nice change to hear of an organisation standing by its principles. And when the Chief Executive’s of both Kent and Cornwall branches publicly endorsed the Remain campaign you would expect the same - yes? No, they are both still in their respective positions.

The BCC press release about Longworth’s resignation says:

“All representatives of the BCC have the right to personal and political views on the key issues of the day. However, they are not expected to articulate these views while acting in their professional capacity, as their views could be misconstrued as representing the position of the organisation as a whole.”

The thing is the BCC press officers contacted news organisations explicitly offering Longworth up for interview, then suspended him for giving his view during that interview. What did they expect the long-time Eurosceptic was going to say?

Or John Longworth gets sacked for going against Cameron in backing the out campaign while the foreign head of the Bank of England can back the in campaign.Or to put it another way Merkel’s German stasi idea of a free and fair electoral process.

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muckles:
And neither do Australia, New Zealand, The US or even our own Country, although you can freely move to the Countries of our Anglo Saxon heritage.

So basically you are the only authority on the subject of us leaving the EU and anybody who differs from your opinion is BS’s?
And when he said World events, such as the economic slow down in China could have a bigger effect on our economy than leaving the EU, you’d still say that was BS?

No selectivity to that that quote. you were banging on about people with British ancestry being able to move between the former colonies.

Carryfast:
Yes I was banging on about free movement between here and the colonies based on a rule of jus sanguinis.However there is no free movement on that basis so what makes you think that a Canadian should be allowed to influence a domestic UK referendum. :unamused:

If he’d said that the UK leaving the EU would be brilliant, you’d be hailing him as some hero for the cause, regardless of what Country he came from.

Carryfast:
England and its Anglo Saxon links have nothing to do with the Federation of ‘Germany’ ( luckily ) as proved by what happened in 1939-45.Let alone the EU.

Who said it did?

Carryfast:
Feel free to explain what difference EU membership or not makes to issues involving the Chinese economy.

He was saying that World events would have a bigger impact on the UK economy than the outcome of the EU referendum. How is that pro or anti EU?

Here’s a bit more of what he said.

In the event of a vote for Brexit, Mr Carney said the Bank “will do everything in our power to discharge our responsibility to achieve monetary stability and financial stability”.

Doesn’t sound anti exit, just somebody who is planning for the UK’s exit if it happens.

But he added that he could not “provide a blanket assurance that there would not be issues in the short term with respect to financial stability and that potential reduction in financial stability could be associated - and normally would be associated - with poor economic outcomes, as we have seen in the past”.

The Financial Markets don’t like uncertainty, the UK voting to leave the EU will create a period of uncertainty, especially if nobody knows what the exit plan is.

But he did say issues in the short term.

The scale of the impact of Brexit on the financial sector would depend largely on the relationship negotiated following a vote for UK withdrawal, said Mr Carney.

Outcomes could range from full mutual recognition of regulations and standards - which would allow UK-based financial services companies to operate in the remaining EU under terms similar to the current “passporting” arrangements - to a scenario in which Britain would seek access to European markets in a similar way to any other third country, he said.

Just giving various options as to how the financial sector can operate after an EU exit.
I don’t see a statement that if we leave the EU we’re all doomed, but a statement saying there will be difficulties, but they can be overcome and outlining the options.

He also said he was happy with the deal Cameron had done for the Financial Sector if we stayed in the EU, he believed it safe guarded non Euro countries.

It seems quite balanced to me and a statement from somebody who will do what he can for the UK financial sector regardless of the outcome of the vote.