Immigration hits all-time high

[franglais]

robroy:
More examples of imported (illegal) excrement not behaving themselves.
thesun.co.uk/news/25095986/ … ex-attack/

(Yeah, ok, I know it’s ‘The Sun’, …so it gives the liberal hand wringers every opportunity to rubbish and refute it rather than face up to the truth. )

On another news report ,.80% of dentists do not provide NHS treatment, due to underfunding.
I know a source where it could be funded up to 50 mill a WEEK.

Loved the news report of the ALBANIAN ‘asylum seeker’ , (presumably who seeked refuge from the famous Albanian war ) who topped himself on the barge, because wait for it…

He felt he was being treated unfairly .
All reported in the context that we as a country should feel guilty.
This was my reaction to it.
youtu.be/z4uivPpzCGo?si=J2BWm3p263aijSQG

ebay.co.uk/itm/285278855397

“The share of asylum seekers in the local population is related to a 1.1% rise in property crime but no change in violent crime. A rise in A8 migrants as a share of the population is associated with a 0.4% fall in property crime and has no relationship to violent crime”
migrationobservatory.ox.ac.uk/r … ty%20crime.

[robroy]

Ah cheers, that definitely puts my mind at rest,.I will no longer worry for the safety of my more vulnerable family members.
Good old official stats Frangers eh. …you can always rely on them.
So now I can finally stop warning my two daughters and my 14 year old granddaughter to stop being astute,.aware and conscious when they pass one of 3 hotels in my area.
Because everybody in the city is mistaken, the crime rate has deffo not increased since the invasion of these ####s.
Because Frangers has sent me an official link.
I’m eternally grateful, I’ll send the link to everybody.

Btw your what I guess as an attempt at sarcasm and/or humour about dog whistles has gone right over my swede …but hey!..at least I viewed your links this time.

[franglais]

robroy:
at least I viewed your links this time.

Well thank you.
Care to comment on the links I put up, in reply to one of your earlier posts? Just before TNUK went off for a walkabout?
I started by agreeing with you on the rapid processing of asylum seekers.
Yer `tis

Franglais:

robroy:
If it was me they would be checked in on the beach individually.
‘Where you from’’
Afghan, Iran.
‘Ok carry on for asylum processing’

‘Where you from?’
Somalia Albania etc.
‘Ok here’s a packed lunch and a bottle of water, [zb] off back on that boat’.
Immigrants cut back by 90% at a stroke,.with the basic asylum process started

Good idea…

But couldn`t we go one better?
Vet possible immigrants before they get on boats? Before they pay the traffickers?
Talk to them, tale details, fingerprints etc before they get here so that any who do arrive irregularly can be identified and rapidly dealt with?

[franglais]

Whoopps here are some links for you.
I know you luv `em really.

Franglais:
Suella Braverman fails to explain how theoretical asylum seeker could get to UK safely and legally | Politics News | Sky News
france24.com/en/france/2021 … nel-crisis

[franglais]

Oh, and both Carlisle and Newcastle have less crime overall now than in 2018 and 2019.
Covid and lockdowns caused drops because fewer people were outnabout, so crime will be higher than then, but it is lower than before then.

crimerate.co.uk/tyne-and-wear/n … -upon-tyne
crimerate.co.uk/■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■

You might be seeing more yourself, but that doesn`t mean there is really more out there.

Edit to add another link. A short crime documentary
youtu.be/kOV6zRvcLuY?si=xCiwWglNPDa8PRMK

[robroy]

Right, so let’s take where you live.
You presumably lock your front door at home when you go out, because you have heard of local burglaries, from people you know around you, some even first hand, or you have witnessed attempted burglaries yourself…
Then you get an official report that your area is the safest in the country.

Presumably, you accept and believe, so you are less vigilant and security conscious since hearing this eh?

Sorry mate not me, in actual fact, because of my nature, I would be saying to myself in a balloon above my head containing words, and whilst stroking my beard…
‘Hmmm hang on a minute, there is a vast gulf of difference here between what I actually SEE and HEAR, and what I am being told’'.

And furthermore , (and actually BECAUSE of that official.statement) I’d actually increase my home security (whilst simultaneously actively looking for a reason why I am being told this.)
A bit like …(YOU brought it up)…Covid 2020.

There ya go bud, one of the MANY differences between ‘me & thee’.

You believe virtually everything you are told by an official body, I believe nothing.

[franglais]

robroy:
Right, so let’s take where you live.
You presumably lock your front door at home when you go out, because you have heard of local burglaries, from people you know around you, some even first hand, or you have witnessed attempted burglaries yourself…
Then you get an official report that your area is the safest in the country.

Presumably, you accept and believe, so you are less vigilant and security conscious since hearing this eh?

Sorry mate not me, in actual fact, because of my nature, I would be saying to myself in a balloon above my head containing words, and whilst stroking my beard…
‘Hmmm hang on a minute, there is a vast gulf of difference here between what I actually SEE and HEAR, and what I am being told’'.

And furthermore , (and actually BECAUSE of that official.statement) I’d actually increase my home security (whilst simultaneously actively looking for a reason why I am being told this.)
A bit like …(YOU brought it up)…Covid 2020.

There ya go bud, one of the MANY differences between ‘me & thee’.

You believe virtually everything you are told by an official body, I believe nothing.

Got It!
You`re on a break from your full time job as the script writer for Philomena Clunk.

Absolute Olympian display of jumping to conclusions, and of CarryFast inspired false logic.

You dont seem to do "proportionate" or "reasonable" do you? Being told that there has been no great increase in crime does not imply that there is zero crime. I do lock my doors when I go out. I am not often burgled . So then, why would I stop doing what seems to be a good strategy to avoid theft? Youre right we are different: I`m not as crazy as you.

Do I believe everything Im told? Nope, but "official bodies" do tend to back up their statements with data, and links to the sources of their data. I can check up on what they claim. I also listen to what I hear/see on YouTube and other "unofficial" sources. I dont automatically believe, nor disbelieve any info merely because of it`s source.

I ain`t so paranoid that I automatically disbelieve any source.
Again, I agree we are different.

[robroy]

Ok…but given the choice between having the traits of (what you interpret as) paranoia, or the way you come across on here , displaying gullibility and absolute subservience, I’d take the former over the latter all day long.
You carry on your life in your ways, and I’ll carry on mine in mine.
Cheers.

Paranoia or…

Btw ‘Cunk’ as in rhyming with Punk…not ‘Clunk’, which had summet to do with Jimmy Saville as far as I remember…just saying.

[franglais]

robroy:
Ok…but given the choice between having the traits of (what you interpret as) paranoia, or the way you come across on here , displaying gullibility and absolute subservience, I’d take the former over the latter all day long.
You carry on your life in your ways, and I’ll carry on mine in mine.
Cheers.

Btw ‘Cunk’ as in rhyming with Punk…not ‘Clunk’, which had summet to do with Jimmy Saville as far as I remember…just saying.

Q.E.D.

[robroy]

…To continue with the Jimmy Saville theme, (in his radio days giving imaginary points)
5 points for the use of Latin acronyms.
5 points for a good conclusive argument using only 3 syllables.
But…
Minus 10 for not contemplating what I have said about how you come across to a lot of people on here.
But oh yeah,.you say you dont care.
So basically as they say on old Army films .
Carry on.

[franglais]

So…having had a funny five minutes on critiquing each other,…

Did you see the bit where I agreed with one of your posts earlier? Where I agreed with your call for earlier investigation of asylum claims?

Get the ones who qualify off of aid, and into jobs helping us all, and paying taxes, or getting kicked out pronto.

[robroy]

Franglais:
So…having had a funny five minutes on critiquing each other,…

Did you see the bit where I agreed with one of your posts earlier? Where I agreed with your call for earlier investigation of asylum claims?

Get the ones who qualify off of aid, and into jobs helping us all, and paying taxes, or getting kicked out pronto.

I’m getting the vibe here you are trying to lead me into a trap. …must be my ‘paranoia’ kicking in again.
So without actually searching for the post in question, and taking your paraphrase at face value…(whilst preparing for you to quote one of my posts from 2010 or something …)
My answer would be.
We are an overcrowded island (pleeeeease do not refute that opinion with links ) so charity should begin at home with the indigenous needy.

However…
Anybody arriving, other than GENUINE bonafide refugees, or persecuted,…instant send back on the same dinghy…no exceptions, to send out a message.

Anybody who have Intel on them as being terrorist or criminal, send back the same.

The rest, process and deal with in whatever way .

Now…what have you got up your sleeve? , because I do not think for one second that you actually care what I think.

[franglais]

Earlier on you said

robroy:

JeffA:

fodenway:
At the risk of going round in circles, I’ll ask again - if France doesn’t want the illegal migrants any more than we (the British public, rather than our ‘government’) do, what exactly is France doing to prevent them entering their country?

France must want them a bit more than us if they are taking more than double the numbers we are.

Why do you keep giving other countries as a comparison, and an example for some kind of justification.
Who gives a [zb] what other countries do,.especially EU countries…newsflash we ain’t in the EU anymore.
If you want to give comparisons,.compare ourcsituation with other already overpopulated and counting small islands.
If it was me they would be checked in on the beach individually.
‘Where you from’’
Afghan, Iran.
‘Ok carry on for asylum processing’

‘Where you from?’
Somalia Albania etc.
‘Ok here’s a packed lunch and a bottle of water, [zb] off back on that boat’.
Immigrants cut back by 90% at a stroke,.with the basic asylum process started.

Btw have I asked the question?
Where are the vast majority of the similar type young fit guys from Ukraine, when the trouble started and war broke out?
Dont see too many of them on a free for all over here.
All I seem to see in my area are women and kids…why is that?
Just saying.
Maybe these guys in the hotels should be sent for military training (not including those who have already been trained as terrorists btw)then they could all go back as an invasionary force to their ‘war torn countries’.
Aye right.

I said

Franglais:
Good idea…

But couldn`t we go one better?
Vet possible immigrants before they get on boats? Before they pay the traffickers?
Talk to them, tale details, fingerprints etc before they get here so that any who do arrive irregularly can be identified and rapidly dealt with?

[robroy]

Aye Ok, I get it.
So go on then, I answered your query, so where are you going with this exactly?

[franglais]

Well, why arent we? Previously: Braverman was asked about legal means of entry for some asylum seekers....she couldnt name any.
The French offered facilities for UK immigration officials in Calais.

So…why are we still giving business to traffickers?
Why can`t legitimate asylum seekers get here legally?

Franglais:
Suella Braverman fails to explain how theoretical asylum seeker could get to UK safely and legally | Politics News | Sky News
france24.com/en/france/2021 … nel-crisis

Could it be one of Juddian`s “Look a squirrel!” moments?
A bunch of ******* want us to look at a few immigrants taking a few quid, while they and their mates get away with millions?

Thousands of immigrants are not responsible for the millions of houses we havent got. A hundred immigrants in a town arent responsible for the hundreds of hospital beds not available.
Some extra foreign kids aren`t responsible for the schools collapsing.

[robroy]

You continuously come across as a sort of apologist/spokesman for these freeloaders, I have never heard you show any direct disapproval of them, instead you always come out with something or another in the context of…'They ain’t as big a problem as …x, y, or z.,.so let’s concentrate on x y and z instead.
You continuously get agitated with the likes of Boris Johnson, or any other Tory MP, and such cack as ■■■■ parties during Covid , but ignore the much more important downright travesty and ■■■■ take these young guys actually are…why is that exactly?

Maybe a solution would be go in hard, deploy for want of a better solution British Special Forces,.seeing as the French dont gaf ,.to deal with the organisers, and destroy the boats.

You have made your position clear, but I am confident I am speaking for the majority that we just do NOT want these people here.

[franglais]

robroy:
You continuously come across as a sort of apologist/spokesman for these freeloaders, I have never heard you show any direct disapproval of them, instead you always come out with something or another in the context of…'They ain’t as big a problem as …x, y, or z.,.so let’s concentrate on x y and z instead.
You continuously get agitated with the likes of Boris Johnson, or any other Tory MP, and such cack as [zb] parties during Covid , but ignore the much more important downright travesty and ■■■■ take these young guys actually are…why is that exactly?

Maybe a solution would be go in hard, deploy for want of a better solution British Special Forces,.seeing as the French dont gaf ,.to deal with the organisers, and destroy the boats.

You have made your position clear, but I am confident I am speaking for the majority that we just do NOT want these people here.

No response to the points that a Conservative MP made to Braverman?
And to the French who offered facilities to pre check asylum seekers you suggest an armed invasion?

Beyond any comment from me.

[robroy]

An armed invasion ?
Deploy troops (with permission of French govt) …I thought that would be obvious.
And ‘police’ the whole cluster ■■■■ of a situation,.taking these criminals out,.and thus discouraging these freeloaders.

Pleased you ain’t commenting, more important stuff to do, football is about to kick off.

[tmcassett]

robroy:
Ah cheers, that definitely puts my mind at rest,.I will no longer worry for the safety of my more vulnerable family members.
Good old official stats Frangers eh. …you can always rely on them.
So now I can finally stop warning my two daughters and my 14 year old granddaughter to stop being astute,.aware and conscious when they pass one of 3 hotels in my area.
Because everybody in the city is mistaken, the crime rate has deffo not increased since the invasion of these ####s.
Because Frangers has sent me an official link.
I’m eternally grateful, I’ll send the link to everybody.

Btw your what I guess as an attempt at sarcasm and/or humour about dog whistles has gone right over my swede …but hey!..at least I viewed your links this time.

Yep, just ignore what most of us can see with our own eyes and go by what is reported as “official statistics”. I’ll post the link to my findings when I get chance.

[winseer]

It isn’t “Immigration” that is the great public concern here.

It is the knock-on effects of officials refusing to tacke the real underlying issues, that we, the public - get less of everything good and an increase in everything bad, should we not treat immigrants everywhere as equal in the eyes of the law…

That means BUSTING them for BREAKING our laws, including and especially theft/fraud/arson/vandalism/driving offences and of course personal assaults…

Not only have the establishment of all sides of politics failed to act, - it is also the white british taxpayer male that gets into trouble the most for any kind of “Retaliation” which continues to be regarded as “taking the law into one’s own hands”.

…Looking at the “popular world public opinion” being narrated of in Israel and Ukraine right now - it is hardly surprising - is it?

The whole world is slowly being pushed towards the first Global Civil War imo…

Keir Starmer is expecting to inherit Number 10 next year…

We’ll see…

What’s the betting that the moment he steps into that job, he’ll jerk to the Center like Blair did (and bragged of!) ■■■■■■■ all those far lefties that backed him “Because he’s Labour” - and then disassifying the center ground OF Labour in that he won’t have any support nor public funding for anything he wants to do…
“Sorry, the Tories have left us with nothing but record deficits”…

Politicians need to come up with a new way of raising standards and public funding - that does NOT involve direct taxation nor further slipbacks in standards…

"Discouraging UK citizens of any background from having StayCations (because all the travellodges etc are full of likely lads…) is NOT going to improve our deficit/balance of payments - is it?

It is a shame we cannot have a party actually resident at Westminster - come up with some blue sky thinking of how they are going to put new ideas into motion, that cost little, merely involve some re-organization and legislation - and CANNOT be blocked routinely by “foreign concerns” that should no longer be ruling us in this country as it is…

Rwanda will surely fail - BECAUSE we’re still in the ECHR. It is a wide-open goal for even the most rookie lefty lawyer to lazy-lob balls into the net over…

Perhaps it is time for LEGAL British UK residents (0 or 1st generation migrants themselves) to “choose someone other than an establishment party” to represent THEIR interests, as after all - THEY get to join the massive queues for NHS, and other public services a long time since…