Immigration hits all-time high

chrisdalott:
just saw an interesting video about men fleeing war in their home country. watch it and you will see that there are no legal ways for them to do this, so they are bribing guards for fake paperwork or just climbing a fence and swimming across rivers even though 19 bodies have washed up. Two of them want to get to Britain and the USA despite crossing many safe countries on the way there, but they have their reasons. no mention of benefits or coucil houses

what do you think? youtu.be/ANxo0gBM6GM?si=i2Ac6vSqte-wrLis

Why is it that Lefties run away from FIghting for their own country, but are happy to come over here and vote Labour to fight US in OUR country?

It is only the “Beyond Europe” ones that are the trouble: ALL military-aged males, with the few exceptions such as murdering scumbags like Begum among the few “Females” among them.
WE DON’T WANT THAT TYPE HERE.

Oh, but if you criticize them you are also slagging off the hard-working EEs that pay taxes! - we get told.
Nope. Seperate one from the other. “Illegal Immigrants” are Criminals, and “Legal Economic Migrants” are Taxpayers with RIGHTS.
It is a shame the EEs don’t exercise their Right to vote… The illegals certainly do - and it ain’t for Right-leaning Parties!

JeffA:

the maoster:
Just to get some perspective that’s 745000 fully legal potential taxpayers versus 25000 totally illegal interlopers who will probably never contribute.

Or to use the hysteria laden totally out of context language that you liberals prefer; 745000 law abiding citizens with 25000 proven criminals living amongst them.

Yes, I can see why you are getting your ■■■■■■■ in a twist now.

Then why not make them legal so they can pay tax? You’ve got 745,000 anyway - what difference does another 25,000 make? It’s a drop in the ocean.

And what about the hundreds of thousands of British people you’re throwing out of work to employ dirt cheap foreign labour in care homes etc?

And what if they don’t find a job or lose a job? That’s more dole money going to hundreds of thousands of migrants. They all want housing and health care too. And their kids want school places.

Nope - I know you like to blame everything on the “liberal” even after the tories have been in power for 13 years but you’re flat wrong as always.

The problem is that the Tories have been in power 13 years AS Liberals!
When do we get a government that actually stands pat, rather than shifts Left as soon as they get elected?

If recently so-called “Victorious” Geert Wilders in Holland “shifted left” as soon as he got installed as Prime Minster - he’d be busted out at the earliest opportunity!
…of course ALL the would-be coalition partners - are demanding he effectively commit political suicide by demanding he make such a move to appease them the so-called “losers” of the election…

He cannot govern as a “Minority” neither, as everything he attempted would be systemically blocked by the other parties shutting him out completely.
It is also impossible to win a full majority under the NL system.

What good IS that “Voting System” then?
So much for systems other than First Past The Post. :frowning:

So what would a right-wing government do with mass immigration Winseer? The trouble for the right-wing is you can pay them less wages - 20% less than english workers - so that means all the right-wing bosses are absolutely desperate for more and more migrants. How can a right-winger handle mass migration? He doesn’t like johnny foreigner but he likes paying them nothing.

Can you think of any right-wing approach to migration that doesn’t hit the “cheap labour” snag?

Winseer:

JeffA:

the maoster:
Just to get some perspective that’s 745000 fully legal potential taxpayers versus 25000 totally illegal interlopers who will probably never contribute.

Or to use the hysteria laden totally out of context language that you liberals prefer; 745000 law abiding citizens with 25000 proven criminals living amongst them.

Yes, I can see why you are getting your ■■■■■■■ in a twist now.

Then why not make them legal so they can pay tax? You’ve got 745,000 anyway - what difference does another 25,000 make? It’s a drop in the ocean.

And what about the hundreds of thousands of British people you’re throwing out of work to employ dirt cheap foreign labour in care homes etc?

And what if they don’t find a job or lose a job? That’s more dole money going to hundreds of thousands of migrants. They all want housing and health care too. And their kids want school places.

Nope - I know you like to blame everything on the “liberal” even after the tories have been in power for 13 years but you’re flat wrong as always.

The problem is that the Tories have been in power 13 years AS Liberals!
When do we get a government that actually stands pat, rather than shifts Left as soon as they get elected?

If recently so-called “Victorious” Geert Wilders in Holland “shifted left” as soon as he got installed as Prime Minster - he’d be busted out at the earliest opportunity!
…of course ALL the would-be coalition partners - are demanding he effectively commit political suicide by demanding he make such a move to appease them the so-called “losers” of the election…

He cannot govern as a “Minority” neither, as everything he attempted would be systemically blocked by the other parties shutting him out completely.
It is also impossible to win a full majority under the NL system.

What good IS that “Voting System” then?
So much for systems other than First Past The Post. :frowning:

Madness…

If the centre and right vote was split amongst 14 different moderate parties, and all the left wing vote went to the communists, would you be happy to see the left form a government?

Most Dutch didnt vote hard right. Wilders is already moderating his stance on many things but there doesnt seem much appetite for other parties to get close to him.

With FPTP we in the UK can have, and have had govs* formed by parties that have a majority of seats, but actually won less of the popular vote.
In the US Trump was legally elected as President under their system although Clinton had over 2% more votes.

No system is perfect, but FPTP seems less satisfactory than PR, I reckon.
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  • 1974: Cons 297 seats from 37.9% of vote against Lab 301 seat from 37.2% of vote.
    1951 Cons 321 from 48%, against Lab 295 from 48.8%.

JeffA:
So what would a right-wing government do with mass immigration Winseer? The trouble for the right-wing is you can pay them less wages - 20% less than english workers - so that means all the right-wing bosses are absolutely desperate for more and more migrants. How can a right-winger handle mass migration? He doesn’t like johnny foreigner but he likes paying them nothing.

Can you think of any right-wing approach to migration that doesn’t hit the “cheap labour” snag?

Mass Immigration - isn’t supposed to be a “Right Wing” issue.

Here’s a case for:

(1) More benefits For UK-Born Citizens ONLY - good for those who are registered disabled, but not so for all illegal immigrants who won’t be, of course…
(2) Lower taxes - encourages people to work, rather than claim benefits. Gordon Brown HAD this 20 years back - but it’s since been repealed. “Make Work Pay”.
(3) More qualified immigrants channeled into staff-shortages jobs - the Employer sponsors each applicant, and fast-tracks their visa application process.
(4) Slower house price inflation - less demand for the public ■■■■■ to pay out housing benefit to already-wealthy Landlords. It is the BTL landlord that has upheld property prices for so long, and maintained a shortage of housing stock at affordable prices in the most desirable areas.
(5) “Maximum Contracted Hours” introduced in addition and to complement NMW (everything over say, 40 hours per week - MUST be paid at a premium rate)

Now you’d think ALL those policies above - would be to the average Labour voter’s liking.
If anyone objects to any or all of the above? - Give your reasoning…

You can pay for them ALL with:

(1) Cut foreign aid from £13,000,000,000 a year to ZERO
(2) Keep taxes where they are, but introduce a lower 10% rate to be paid on “hours beyond contracted”. That means a 40hour per week worker doing overtime and grossing say £40k takes home more than a 40 hour per week manager grossing £40k as a SALARY. This would thus encourage more people to put in “sickness cover” extra hours rather than bunk off sick themselves, especially in the NHS…
(3) Deport all persons arriving in the UK with apparently “no place to go”.
(4) Charge families taking in immigrants - to discourage employers taking on people for cheap labour/slavery purposes. Good job or NO job. Immigrants MUST have a sponsor, as is required in other Commonwealth states, Eg. Australia.
(5) No legal aid for millionaires. No court cases to be brought on “Hearsay” evidence alone.
(6) More police “Intel” officers that do not have to be young/pass the fitness test. “Detection” is more and more required in these days of high-tech Fraud, and the like. BILLIONS would be saved from being defrauded away from the UK taxpayer, such as the way Furlough Grants had a coach-and-horses run through them, running total rings around our legal system, whilst that same “system” dithered, and bullied benefit claimants into taking unsuitable jobs “To save money” or sanctioned them for no good reason other than “We didn’t want to chase rich people for the missing money elsewhere…” Solve problems of “Corruption” with the Police Force - Get the Rozzers to bust the Rotters!

Now if you think that is all “RIght wing Tosh that we of the Left hate with a passion, because we’d prefer just to burn your house down, and loot your smouldering remains” - then best you admit it now, like the Anti Semite filth of this country have just demonstrated they love a terrorist outfit over God’s chosen people on Earth…

Franglais:

Madness…

If the centre and right vote was split amongst 14 different moderate parties, and all the left wing vote went to the communists, would you be happy to see the left form a government?

Most Dutch didnt vote hard right. Wilders is already moderating his stance on many things but there doesnt seem much appetite for other parties to get close to him.

With FPTP we in the UK can have, and have had govs* formed by parties that have a majority of seats, but actually won less of the popular vote.
In the US Trump was legally elected as President under their system although Clinton had over 2% more votes.

No system is perfect, but FPTP seems less satisfactory than PR, I reckon.
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  • 1974: Cons 297 seats from 37.9% of vote against Lab 301 seat from 37.2% of vote.
    1951 Cons 321 from 48%, against Lab 295 from 48.8%.
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    Wilders isn’t going to be able to form a government, as he seems to have cornered the Right Wing vote, leaving little else other than Centerists, Liberals, Left of Center Eurocrats, and Far Left Communists/Nazis (National Socialists)
    If he compromises in the way they want him to - he will achieve precisely zero of his policy rollouts.
    Dilan has already refused to serve under his premiership, but expects him to work with HER as PM. She won’t hear of ANY of his rollouts of course, meaning the moment he joins any coalition of hers - he’s toast!
    Omtzigt - apparently won’t support any of Wilders’ hardline policies at all.
    Timmermans is a Socialist - so that’s a non-starter as well.
    These main three “Runner Up” parties - are likely to form a coalition between them, leaving Wilders as opposition leader, which may well be the best thing for him until the next election, at which he can hope to gain further seats.

Wilders could in theory go for a “Church Coalition” of all the minority Christian Parties put together - but any wets among them, would surely bring such a fragile coalition down at the first hand-wringing hurdel like “We must be a broad church” blah blah blah - the usual tosh we hear when someone compromises their very soul away in the name of a coalition about as strong as a jam sandwich… :unamused:

I reckon he’ll wait for the others then, and if they sense he’s letting them “go on ahead”, they might prolong the delay until the NEXT election as long as possible - by umming and ahhing about it until July next year, at which point we’ll be looking to the autocrats of the world stage - for a way out of the mess we’re all in by THAT Point (I predict…)

I see Richard Tice is getting very confused again. Or is trying to confuse others.
I dont agree with all of Maxs comments, but Tice is 99.9% wrong.
The comments are interesting.

Darn didn`t link the YouTube!
youtube.com/watch?v=lCSOWs0_MoM

and now
youtube.com/watch?v=0vU0fmsMzqM

It seems that the £120m paid to Rwanda, and followed up by another £20m isn`t all of it.
It appears that we are also making other payments to Rwanda for housing etc.

It also appears that the Gov doesn`t want even the Hose Select Committee to know much about it. (at least not until a possible spring election is held?)

Over £140m so far for deporting 200 asylum seeker5s a year, of which so far none have gone. We also are in an open ended deal to import Rwanda asylum seekers. Not the ones who might get paid employment later on if they qualify to remain though. We get those who need mental and other care.

The Gov minister when she put the scheme in place said it might not be legal, so obviously was going to be problematic* but pushed it through anyway.
What a shower of smelly, slimy, stuff.

youtube.com/watch?v=f51ywsx6vQw

*Y`know those lawyers who want governments to obey the law of the land and suchlike niggles.
How inconvenient for those seeking to dictate rather than obey democratic process.

They are attempting to rubbish Tice right now, as they are well aware that a lot of people would currently vote for any 4th party on the ballot papers, including Reform Party and Greens.

Tice, however - doesn’t have the front that Trump has in forcing enough people into office from a position of “complete outsider”.

Farage is busy with BB right now, and the Establishment have missed a trick here:
If they’d called a snap election to be held THIS side of Christmas - Sunak could have ensured a smooth handover to Starmer’s Labour that I believe he actually intends…
Leave it to the last minute though (this time NEXT year) and these “4th Parties” I speak of on ballot papers - might provide yet a nice alternative to “5th Columist” current company…

Amazing how easy it is to con people tho - there’s 100 billion gone missing by the water companies, Liz Truss budget cost 60 billion, the test and trace that never worked was another 30 billion, the tories gave billions of PPE contracts to their pals that never worked. But no, what’s the big deal? Some migrant with £20 to his name - he’s bankrupting the country.

Anyone hear Uncle Jeremy Vine today? Interesting point a woman made about “Why don’t the migrants stay in France?”. Turns out France took 102,000 migrants, we took 45,000.

At the risk of going round in circles, I’ll ask again - if France doesn’t want the illegal migrants any more than we (the British public, rather than our ‘government’) do, what exactly is France doing to prevent them entering their country?

fodenway:
At the risk of going round in circles, I’ll ask again - if France doesn’t want the illegal migrants any more than we (the British public, rather than our ‘government’) do, what exactly is France doing to prevent them entering their country?

France must want them a bit more than us if they are taking more than double the numbers we are.

JeffA:

fodenway:
At the risk of going round in circles, I’ll ask again - if France doesn’t want the illegal migrants any more than we (the British public, rather than our ‘government’) do, what exactly is France doing to prevent them entering their country?

France must want them a bit more than us if they are taking more than double the numbers we are.

Why do you keep giving other countries as a comparison, and an example for some kind of justification.
Who gives a ■■■■ what other countries do,.especially EU countries…newsflash we ain’t in the EU anymore.
If you want to give comparisons,.compare ourcsituation with other already overpopulated and counting small islands.
If it was me they would be checked in on the beach individually.
‘Where you from’’
Afghan, Iran.
‘Ok carry on for asylum processing’

‘Where you from?’
Somalia Albania etc.
‘Ok here’s a packed lunch and a bottle of water, ■■■■ off back on that boat’.
Immigrants cut back by 90% at a stroke,.with the basic asylum process started.

Btw have I asked the question?
Where are the vast majority of the similar type young fit guys from Ukraine, when the trouble started and war broke out?
Dont see too many of them on a free for all over here.
All I seem to see in my area are women and kids…why is that?
Just saying.
Maybe these guys in the hotels should be sent for military training (not including those who have already been trained as terrorists btw)then they could all go back as an invasionary force to their ‘war torn countries’. :bulb:
Aye right. :unamused:

robroy:
If it was me they would be checked in on the beach individually.
‘Where you from’’
Afghan, Iran.
‘Ok carry on for asylum processing’

‘Where you from?’
Somalia Albania etc.
‘Ok here’s a packed lunch and a bottle of water, [zb] off back on that boat’.
Immigrants cut back by 90% at a stroke,.with the basic asylum process started

Good idea… :smiley:

But couldn`t we go one better?
Vet possible immigrants before they get on boats? Before they pay the traffickers?
Talk to them, tale details, fingerprints etc before they get here so that any who do arrive irregularly can be identified and rapidly dealt with?

news.sky.com/story/suella-brave … y-12753780
france24.com/en/france/2021 … nel-crisis

The Government don’t seem to realise that those who elected them - are not actually that bothered about “Rwanda”, but just want the boats to stop by means of applying the rule of law properly, without fear nor favour as intended.

We’ve got laws against “people trafficing”.
Not one single vessel bringing illegals across the channel has been impounded, and the skipper of said vessel busted for People Trafficing, but Hey - we managed to lock up some rich maxwell bird as a “Token Scalp” instead huh?

We’ve got laws about deporting illegals should they prove to be undesirables… Caught-in-the-act Criminals surely qualifies as “Undesirables”…?
Where to? - The obvious place - Where they just came from, the northern coast of France in most cases…
Why do we need to ■■■■ up to Macron, pay him a load of money, and then STILL have EU leftie Lawyers block what we’ve now bought-and-paid for to get done?

Where’s the PT boats we were promised by Patel and Boris? The Tory Voter’s main moan here is surely “You didn’t deliver on your promise!”

Fast forward to Sunak:

He promises to “Stop the boats” and won’t do actually anything at all TO stop them, but asks others who’ll always say NO if we can do it a “nicer way” that doesn’t involve busting actual criminals caught in-the-act at that!

The simple answer instead of this “Rwanda” nonsense - is to withdraw from the EUCHR as part of the Brexit process - not giving a toss what the EU thinks as we’re supposed to have already left it!!!

All the Tories have succeeded in doing - is giving RUK more time to prepare for the election this time next year, and almost sabotaging their own blue wall in such a way that Starmer can win a full majority, rather than have to go into coalition with Sunak or Humza… It is assumed that RUK’s already double-digit climb in the polls - will amount to zero seats as usual, with the same old kitchen sink thrown at it as happened in Peterborough.
Perhaps when the Tories stop making scapegoats of the very voter base that elected them - we’ll get some sensible politics in this country where what the MAJORITY wants done - GETS done, rather than all main parties at Westminster “promising the same thing” and then not even delivering that.

So, I know “service was interrupted” but no one has disputed my previous couple of posts…?
Never mind.
It now seems that the Gov after spending hundreds of millions on sending only a couple of people to Rwanda, (Braverman & Cleverly returned anyway) can not not find any transport.
thetimes.co.uk/article/late … -cxpwnkpfc
No commercial airlines are interested, the RAF is under funded and over stretched.

Maybe Chris Grayling could get Seabourne Freight to use their boats to ship them there?

Hell bloody fire.

Rwanda isn’t a serious consideration, it never was its a swappage scheme at best and was only wittered about by govt lackeys to keep half asleep compliant tory voters on side and to keep their eye of the real ball, legal immigration, perhaps daft enough after a lifetime of hearing politicians and their media cronies lie about every bloody thing to believe that on this subject they are telling the truth and to once again dutifully trot out and vote for them…fully expecting one again a different result and once again (the memory span of a bloody goldfish i tell you) being amazed they got the same result as the last 20 times they voted for the swine. Turkeys voting for Christmas.

Enough to make you scream aloud at the stupidity the simple mindedness and how gullible millions of people are.

The govt are conning you, they’ve been conning you since they gained office in 2010 under the leadership of Cameron who correctly claimed himself as heir to Blair…you’d have to be an odd bleeder to want anything to do with that sodding Blair let alone to claim to be his heir…they’re still conning you, its what they do, it’s been going on for generations, the bloody tories under Heath tricked us into the EEC, and they’ll trick us under Sunak or Starmer into going back in again as soon as they can manage it.

Meanwhile for every one military age invader that arrives, ferried in by our border farce and lifeboats, up to 20 immigrants arrive legally, thats what the politicians and those who own them want for the west and that’s what is happening.

Juddian:
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Heaven has a wall and strict immigration policies. Hell has open borders.
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Haven`t you also bemoaned the greed and materialism of modern life?

If you have food, and wood, build a longer table, not a higher fence.

More examples of imported (illegal) excrement not behaving themselves. :unamused:
thesun.co.uk/news/25095986/ … ex-attack/

(Yeah, ok, I know it’s ‘The Sun’, …so it gives the liberal hand wringers every opportunity to rubbish and refute it rather than face up to the truth. :unamused:)

On another news report ,.80% of dentists do not provide NHS treatment, due to underfunding.
I know a source where it could be funded up to 50 mill a WEEK. :bulb:
:imp: :smiling_imp:
Loved the news report of the ALBANIAN ‘asylum seeker’ , (presumably who seeked refuge from the famous Albanian war :unamused: ) who topped himself on the barge, because wait for it…

He felt he was being treated unfairly :laughing: .
All reported in the context that we as a country should feel guilty.
This was my reaction to it.
youtu.be/z4uivPpzCGo?si=J2BWm3p263aijSQG