Immigrants doing security

orys:

george3:
That could well be how it happens with this ideot government we have at the moment. “Any excuse to throw money at a foreigner”, is the first line in NuLabours operators manual. NuLabour are going soon. Never to return in my lifetime.

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I think the description of you given by other user of this forum may be correct.

Your Polish, unless they’ve given you a polling card, what you think doesn’t matter. Our governments incompetence has bankrupt the country. Our government is borrowing billions only to throw it down the drain on foreign aid. Including Zimbabwe, a regime NuLabour claim to despise. President Mugabe lives in a palace with solid gold taps and our government has given him £60 million this year alone.
The next government isn’t going to fund NuLabour’s mistakes and whatever bull you read in the paper, the next government is going to cut back on public spending.
Something has to give and as far as I’m concerned it should start with what’s spent on foreign nationals and not what’s taken away from our own old age pensioners.

George your a moron, “you dont know me so dont insult me”

but that is exactly what you did with me!!

you seem to think that because my spelling is,nt spot on that I am inferior to you? this is a form of bullying in my book!

At this moment in time the country needs immigrants to do the low paid jobs as british folk don,t want to do it, farming would collapse without foreign labour at the moment, I also know someone who is a major player in HR in london hotels, if they took all immigrants away from the hotels today the whole hotel industry would collapse overnight, her words not mine. As stated we are assisting other countries in aid, security defense ect, we as a country simply cannot afford to keep doing this! we all pay into the pot as such but i,m aware that that pot will be empty when I get old.
We need to close the borders to sort this country out and to get people back into work! we need to start manufacturing things again, what happens when we cannot import things anymore?

btw i,m not sure how my comments can be classed as racist, as i,m having ago at white UK people who some are to lazy to even get out of bed!

Lets make UK/Australia/USA etc on the same playing field as, say Somolia.
Same living conditions and government.
Hey everyone would be happy then.

att:
‘…There is a massive undercurrent of resentment towards foreigners in this country …
When the detritus does hit the fan, the fan is going to break, it is just a matter of time, not if, but when…’

Many will understand your feeling but I suggest that, as this thread indicates, British society is divided many ways to ensure that the fan wont break. There might be '…massive undercurrent of resentment…’ as you suggest but it is arguably matched in equal measure by the apathetic & the disenfranchised, European & other financially better-off foreigners, ie those against whom the gripe is held, tree-huggers and second/third generations of British citizens of ■■■■/Plo-Pot/Idi Amin oppressive decent, etc.
Thus, via the mechanism of the Commonwealth, British tolerance & the sense of fair play that we (stupidly?) hold so dear - and not least the legislation to support it from the EU, Britain has been divided and is now ruled from beyond our shores.
The imbalance that you perceive will thus be moderated - in ways that some favour or otherwise - to ensure that the current status quo, albeit tenuous, shall overall prevail. The cost? The quality of life to those who give a ■■■■. Welcome.

dle1uk:
George your a moron, “you dont know me so dont insult me”

but that is exactly what you did with me!!

you seem to think that because my spelling is,nt spot on that I am inferior to you? this is a form of bullying in my book!

At this moment in time the country needs immigrants to do the low paid jobs as british folk don,t want to do it, farming would collapse without foreign labour at the moment, I also know someone who is a major player in HR in london hotels, if they took all immigrants away from the hotels today the whole hotel industry would collapse overnight, her words not mine. As stated we are assisting other countries in aid, security defense ect, we as a country simply cannot afford to keep doing this! we all pay into the pot as such but i,m aware that that pot will be empty when I get old.
We need to close the borders to sort this country out and to get people back into work! we need to start manufacturing things again, what happens when we cannot import things anymore?

btw i,m not sure how my comments can be classed as racist, as i,m having ago at white UK people who some are to lazy to even get out of bed!

It seems to me that George and Die are actually agreeing with each other while chucking insults about.

So farming and hospitality would collapse without migrant labour, actually it wouldn’t if the farms could employ local labour and allow them to live in the villages where they grew up, instead they get forced into dingy flats in towns because of the manufactured property boom, the merchant bankers that own the holiday cottages and second homes. I know that mechanisation has made things easier for farmworkers, gone are the days of running up granary steps with a 12 stone sack. The supermarkets have driven the prices for farmers down, the farmer has to compete with the foreign imports, so has to sell his produce cheap and sell the tied cottages to pay wages.

In the hotel trade I am sure that most people have been away on holiday and had good service from a family hotel, using locally born staff. This doesn’t happen in the UK as the catering trade, hotel management and more greedy merchant bankers have forced the wages down to poverty levels. Have you used a hotel in the UK? they are close to one of the most expensive in the Western world. So even though the major operators are posting huge profits, but the farmworkers son who was forced out of his village home cannot afford to work in a hotel, so he stays in bed all day.

Britain has been divided and is now ruled from beyond our shores.

bank on statement!!

one thing that was installed in me from my family, grandparents ect was pride!! I have never signed on the dole (yet) i have done some crappy jobs to keep my head above the water, although these jobs were for a short while i got my arse out there and did,nt rest till i got a job that paid what i needed for my family. my eldest daughter has left school and is at college and my eldest son is due to leave school, i can see they have alot about them, neither will sit on their ■■■■ they are out of bed by their own choice 8 am at the latest, they do a few jobs around the home again through choice, as my both myself and my wife work and we have 3 younger kids. we work together as a family unit! however their friends are the opposite and I have overheard on several ocaasions their friends telling them not to do little jobs around the home or that they should still be in bed at dinnertime ect. this is a problem in my view as they lack any pride, to themselves their family and country, which is why we are heading down the pan. I fully understand that some folk have lost their pride through previous govt,s decisions to close factories ect.

this countries future is obviously in the kids hands and if we cannot install basic things in them then we will end up as a third world country.

dle1uk:
George your a moron, “you dont know me so dont insult me”

but that is exactly what you did with me!!

you seem to think that because my spelling is,nt spot on that I am inferior to you? this is a form of bullying in my book!

At this moment in time the country needs immigrants to do the low paid jobs as british folk don,t want to do it, farming would collapse without foreign labour at the moment, I also know someone who is a major player in HR in london hotels, if they took all immigrants away from the hotels today the whole hotel industry would collapse overnight, her words not mine. As stated we are assisting other countries in aid, security defense ect, we as a country simply cannot afford to keep doing this! we all pay into the pot as such but i,m aware that that pot will be empty when I get old.
We need to close the borders to sort this country out and to get people back into work! we need to start manufacturing things again, what happens when we cannot import things anymore?

btw i,m not sure how my comments can be classed as racist, as i,m having ago at white UK people who some are to lazy to even get out of bed!

No dle1uk
It wasn’t me that insulted you , as you claim but that fully paid up NuLabour party activist “blueroom1” but he has deleted his post now and legged it.
I have made comments regards the ■■■■-poor pay and needing to work a 48hr week for it to equal the dole money but that’s not a personal insult, more an observation about the industry in general.

I think that it is a national disgrace that we hood wink people into comming here to work.
When they arrive they find 3rd world living conditions in remote locations.We require more joined up thinking it should benefit the local people to work in the fields ,the school holidays are worked around the agricultural calendar.

sorry have i insulted anyone? i,ve not called anyone racist, bigot or a moron!

sorry george you may have misunderstood my post, my poor attempt at cut and paste, what i was trying to point out was that blueroom had said “you don,t know me don,t insult me” but that is exactly what he did with my original post! it was not aimed at you just the fact that blueroom seems to jump to conclusions right or wrong when someone else posts but you cannot do the same against him.

the comment from a friend of mine i firmly believe, ref hotels i deliver like many to restaurants hotels ect and see how many foreign workers there are! if these people left yes the trade would collapse, some small family ones may survive, as for the farming foreign students come across to help with several different crop harvests, yes they get paid minimum wage that the youth of today seem to think is not good enough for them so they choose to sit on their backsides. I live in a small village east of york and york has several unemployed but the local farmers are still having to use foriegn labour. cos not many uk folk will work for the wage, and the ones who do are just messing about. its not a case of local employment its a case of wanting to work! we all know a farmer has his price dictated to him by the supermarket which is dictated by us. however to stop this i believ more people should make an effort and support local farm produce, i buy most of my things from local farms, butchers, small shops and try and keep away from the supermarket.

I,m not against the foriegn worker, majority work hard and do the best they can, i posted on here some while ago about a polish workforce, this ws when i was delivering building materials, the site manager was due to retire after this job but had been given more or less a complet workforce of poles and was not looking forward to it, first time i saw him he was ■■■■■■ off and thought his company was taking the ■■■■, after a few weeks i went back and the same guy was all smiles, his comments was that the poles were the best labour he had seen in his career! you give them a job they go out do it to a good standard, without stopping for a chat cup of tea ect when jobs done they come knocking the door asking for next job, we as a country cannot simply carry on paying out the benefits we are and empoying foriegn workforce and allowing the subsequent benefits on top.

Complaining about local people not being prepared to work for poor pay isn’t any excuse for employing immigrants. Farmers for example complain they are “forced” to employ immigrants to pick their Strawberries yet year after year continue to grow Strawberries. If they can’t get people to pick their product, why don’t they change their product? Grow wheat or ■■■■ seed or whatever rocks their boat. Complaining that people aren’t prepared to pay a high enough price for their product to enable a living wage, simply means there isn’t a high enough demand for that product in the first place.

Hotels employing immigrants is down to corporate greed. UK hotel prices are some of the highest in Europe if not the world. Hotels in the UK are making an absolute killing. I’ve stayed in hotels in Spain on blisteringly hot weekends when weekended on the lorries for £15 a night. In the UK that would be nearer £65-150 a night.

Foreign workers in the building trade I’m going to put that down to Maggy Thatcher when she stopped the necessity for employers to take on apprentices. Our "trades"mens skills are now learned in six month college courses, producing poorly trained and inexperienced cowboys, mostly. Many with a couldn’t give a toss attitude due to being allowed to go bankrupt every time they get held accountable and legging it.

But after all said and done I’m holding the NuLabour government responsible for encouraging employers to employ immigrant labour and accusing any that don’t as being racist bigots.

Employing cheap foreign labour is bad for the economy in the long run. All it does is force down wages leaving people with less money to spend, meaning less products get produced. Creating more unemployment leaving less money on the street and so on.

its not easy for farmers to change their crop in such a drastic way, there are plenty other things that have to come into the decision, but yes some could look at other crops ect
hotels is corporate greed, but we have over the years expected it and paid it, personally i won,t pay full price, i shop around and get the cheapest price I can… but i also blame buisnesses for allowing this to happen with buisness trips ect paying way over the odds for the service is the norm.

Employing cheap foreign labour is bad for the economy in the long run. All it does is force down wages leaving people with less money to spend, meaning less products get produced. Creating more unemployment leaving less money on the street and so on.

totally agree but but if we cannot produce our own goods food ect then we are finished as a country!

going back to the comment i made ref mayor of doncaster, he was interviewd on radio 2 last week so not sure if anyone can still get his comments off the net? but alot of what he said made sense he dramastically reducded the councils spending without cutting the services needed by the local people.
several people contacted the show afterwards and everyone agreed with him its this sort of attitude we need as a country,

dle1uk:
‘… if we cannot produce our own goods food etc then we are finished as a country!..’

Aha, but surely we are lucky to have the Caped Crusader of Europe to the rescue? Eet eez urnley £40,000,000 jeden tag pour vous, Sir Brown!

george3:
‘…Farmers … continue to grow Strawberries … why don’t they change their product? Grow wheat or ■■■■ seed…’

Yeah; sit down you whiny kids & enjoy your ■■■■ seed doughnut and wheat lolly for pudding - though neither is quite the same in jam on a scone with cream, eh?

george3:
Hotels employing immigrants is down to corporate greed. UK hotel prices are some of the highest in Europe if not the world. Hotels in the UK are making an absolute killing. I’ve stayed in hotels in Spain on blisteringly hot weekends when weekended on the lorries for £15 a night. In the UK that would be nearer £65-150 a night.

Maybe so but it keeps me and many others in jobs delivering to these places, they are high so hotels can afford to use our services :exclamation: (my Rolls Royce i drive to work in is due to a service soon :wink: :laughing: )

george3:
Your Polish, unless they’ve given you a polling card, what you think doesn’t matter.

Oh, I already have one for Scotland, so at least in Scotland you have to listen to me obviously :wink: Apart of that I have my vote in European elections (and I can choose if I want to choose from Polish or British candidates).

The point is, though, that this what I gave you is an universal rule in every civilised country - the accused has to be able to defend himself. If that means providing an interpreter for him - that what they do. In all countries where some basic human rights are considered. Therefore you are wrong no matter if I am from Bristol, Przemyśl or Peking.

Our governments incompetence has bankrupt the country. Our government is borrowing billions only to throw it down the drain on foreign aid. Including Zimbabwe, a regime NuLabour claim to despise. President Mugabe lives in a palace with solid gold taps and our government has given him £60 million this year alone.

I am not willing to get into it, but I think Britain owes something to Africa after all this years of exploiting its colonies… I suspect that if the Western World would not get an advantage of the Third World Countries the gap between us would be much smaller. But off course the Mugabe should be gone.

The next government isn’t going to fund NuLabour’s mistakes and whatever bull you read in the paper, the next government is going to cut back on public spending.

Cool. I will be really happy to see less of my taxes wasted. But they will still have to spent on some basic things, and interpreters for the accused people is the basic thing which they can’t remove for reasons I already had given you a few times.

Anyway, I am doing some private jobs as well and they are even better paid then that goverment ones… I don’t mind who pays me as long as I the pay is decent.

Something has to give and as far as I’m concerned it should start with what’s spent on foreign nationals and not what’s taken away from our own old age pensioners.

There was an article recently I read somewhere (probably The Times, but I am not sure) about “cost” of foreigners to the British society. It was shown on Polish example that average Pole pays much more to the common jar then average Brit, while claims much less from there.

Few examples: How many Brits are in working age? Vast majority of Poles in UK are between 18 and 35. There is almost no retired or disabled Polish persons. So we can easily say that vast majority of Poles here are working.

Other example: Poles and Brits are paying the same taxes. Yet over 35% of Brits are claiming some benefits, compared to 7% of Poles in Britain.

The Politicians can say the things you, and others like you, like, to make you vote for them, but when they will come to power they won’t fight the numbers. And numbers say that, altough BNP and the others say different things, the influx of Poles and other EU immigration is a profit for a British budget and a boost for economy (in other words: if not them, you will be much worse off the last credit crunch). So there will be no big change about Poles and other EU immigration (unless the BNP and similar morons will won the elections, but then I will just say “Coat, Hat, Taxi!” and bugger off to France or wherever, and so do the majority of Poles and they you will able to tell “Thank you” for your favourites from BNP…

Yet, still, we both agree about that sometimes spending on foreigners is going too far, but it’s not only about foreigners: the political correctnes etc. in this country is gone mad, and we all know that.

am not willing to get into it, but I think Britain owes something to Africa after all this years of exploiting its colonies… I suspect that if the Western World would not get an advantage of the Third World Countries the gap between us would be much smaller. But off course the Mugabe should be gone.

orys i agree in sentiment as such, however how much as been raised from several different charites that has been wasted or creamed off by the different ruling powers ect of Africa? during my time I did some work in this country and cannot for the life of me understand where the money goes.

orys:
‘…Brit … Brits … Brits …’

Just a quickie: Like some others, I loathe that derisory and derogatory term - but unlike the majority that ‘wanna be where it’s at’ or consider it wholesomely embraced (it isn’t!), at least I know the correct term to be Briton(s).

Happy Keith:

orys:
‘…Brit … Brits … Brits …’

Just a quickie: Like some others, I loathe that derisory and derogatory term - but unlike the majority that ‘wanna be where it’s at’ or consider it wholesomely embraced (it isn’t!), at least I know the correct term to be Briton(s).

I am sorry. I noticed that many of this forum users refer to themself as a Brits, so I did not expected that to be offensive. Should I use “British citizen” or is there another shorther form which is all right?

dle1uk:
orys i agree in sentiment as such, however how much as been raised from several different charites that has been wasted or creamed off by the different ruling powers ect of Africa? during my time I did some work in this country and cannot for the life of me understand where the money goes.

IMHO the problem was caused by the way the colonial empires pulled out of Africa: they just left, leaving the Africa cut in pieces along the former colonial borders and told them “do what you like”.

This was not a natural country, so it has no community, national thinking or whatever…

But this is a subject to other topic.

Btw: I recomend you a great book of Polish writer Ryszard KapuÅ›ciÅ„ski “Heban”. It tells you a lot about post-colonial Africa.

What the hell has all this childish bickering got to do with people working in security?
How tedious

Alex