How Did It Get This Way!

[carryfast]

orys:

Wheel Nut:
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As for the division 303 and other (not only Polish!) guys who fought for allies, there is a song for you: youtube.com/watch?v=3qUEiYWk … re=related

It’s a bit sad that it’s a swedish metal band who has to remind us our comon history…

It seems that you’re learning then orys that WW2 was’nt just all about Poland’s interests and Polish input.

So I thought that I’d this to the Swedish CGI effort.

Daylight bombing raids without fighter ■■■■■■ all the way and ‘if’ they made it back from the first trip they had another 25 to do before they could go home.

youtube.com/watch?v=5rbUYx2m … re=related

youtube.com/watch?v=3B1U1TigJdI

[carryfast]

Snudger:

baby seal:
If there is hope it lies in the Poles.

I am not against this economic migration in general as long as it pays its way though there are plenty of British lazy losers who should be doing many of those jobs but the point is they don’t (have to).

If you take that bs to it’s logical conclusion you’re saying either force the British workers to work for wages that don’t cover British living costs and if not just import east european workers to rig the labour market in favour of low wage employment.We’re already seeing the results of an economy run on the shopkeepers mentality of unlimited prices and artificially low wages,relative to prices,because wages are being held back by exposure to the global and east european labour markets.

[orys]

Carryfast:
It seems that you’re learning then orys that WW2 was’nt just all about Poland’s interests and Polish input.

Oh, I knew it all the time. I only talking about Polish effort, because my knowledge on that field is vast compared to the others…

For me it seems rather that it’s you who learns that the war wasn’t won only thanks to Brtisish money and brilliant engineers

As for bombers: I guess you are aware how many Poles (and other Easter europeans and also French etc.) were flying bombers in RAF during the war?

[orys]

Carryfast:
If you take that bs to it’s logical conclusion you’re saying either force the British workers to work for wages that don’t cover British living costs

so you are trying to suggest that Poles in UK can live on Polish living costs? It would me much appretiated, if you tell me, where in Scotland I can buy petrol, food, car insurance and where I can rent a flat or service my car or go to the restaurant or to the pub at Polish prices

[wheel_nut]

Carryfast:

Snudger:

baby seal:
If there is hope it lies in the Poles.

I am not against this economic migration in general as long as it pays its way though there are plenty of British lazy losers who should be doing many of those jobs but the point is they don’t (have to).

If you take that bs to it’s logical conclusion you’re saying either force the British workers to work for wages that don’t cover British living costs and if not just import east european workers to rig the labour market in favour of low wage employment.We’re already seeing the results of an economy run on the shopkeepers mentality of unlimited prices and artificially low wages,relative to prices,because wages are being held back by exposure to the global and east european labour markets.

I think what he is saying is that there are many British people who are wholly fit for work who both spend the time watching Jeremy Kyle and claiming for 17 Primarni clad children rather than working as kitchen porters, bar staff, toilet janitors and traffic wardens.

[orys]

I call that “I would not rise my bum from the bed to do that work/ to work for that money” culture, and, honestly, cannot understand it (unless, off course, you can get more in benefits than by working, and that makes me sick).

[wheel_nut]

orys:
I call that “I would not rise my bum from the bed to do that work/ to work for that money” culture, and, honestly, cannot understand it (unless, off course, you can get more in benefits than by working, and that makes me sick).

With 17 kids or even 5, you can Orys, no council tax, they get housing benefit, free prescriptions and a DWP payment every two weeks. Get a doctors note and a walking stick and they manage to get a motability people carrier and handouts from the social fund.

I get some of these benefits but am unable to do a full time job at the moment although Tuesday could change that

[orys]

Wheel Nut:

orys:
I call that “I would not rise my bum from the bed to do that work/ to work for that money” culture, and, honestly, cannot understand it (unless, off course, you can get more in benefits than by working, and that makes me sick).

With 17 kids or even 5, you can Orys, no council tax, they get housing benefit, free prescriptions and a DWP payment every two weeks. Get a doctors note and a walking stick and they manage to get a motability people carrier and handouts from the social fund.

I get some of these benefits but am unable to do a full time job at the moment although Tuesday could change that

Tell me about it. When I had my car accident and was unable to work, I was refused any benefits, as I was only 23 months in Scotland, and you have to work here 24 to get anything if you are Poles (down the toilet are going all these myths about Poles going to the benefit office straight from the Victoria bus station). Nobody cared that the accident was caused by the Scot and that I had only few days missing to full 24 months of work in UK - even crisis loan was refused to me, despite that it’s fully repayable after one gets back on track.

My partner was working part time at this time and she struggled to find full time employmend due to lack of English and attending full time ESOL course in the college.

But I was given an option: in jobcentre they advised me to make her quit her work, and then we would be able to claim more benefits than she was earning at this time…

We didn’t took this advice and with a little help of our friends we survived until I was able to do some trunking work… I think this is question of how you was rised: both of us would feel bad when living at the other people’s expense… But if you are third generation who lives from benefit and social help, you can’t see nothing wrong with it: it’s the same in Poland, there is a whole bunch of people who used to work on the state farms in the old times and now they leave in some tower blocks in the middle of the countryside and demand everything from the state…

[the_sarge]

orys:

Wheel Nut:

orys:
I call that “I would not rise my bum from the bed to do that work/ to work for that money” culture, and, honestly, cannot understand it (unless, off course, you can get more in benefits than by working, and that makes me sick).

With 17 kids or even 5, you can Orys, no council tax, they get housing benefit, free prescriptions and a DWP payment every two weeks. Get a doctors note and a walking stick and they manage to get a motability people carrier and handouts from the social fund.

I get some of these benefits but am unable to do a full time job at the moment although Tuesday could change that

Tell me about it. When I had my car accident and was unable to work, I was refused any benefits, as I was only 23 months in Scotland, and you have to work here 24 to get anything if you are Poles (down the toilet are going all these myths about Poles going to the benefit office straight from the Victoria bus station). Nobody cared that the accident was caused by the Scot and that I had only few days missing to full 24 months of work in UK - even crisis loan was refused to me, despite that it’s fully repayable after one gets back on track.

My partner was working part time at this time and she struggled to find full time employmend due to lack of English and attending full time ESOL course in the college.

But I was given an option: in jobcentre they advised me to make her quit her work, and then we would be able to claim more benefits than she was earning at this time…

We didn’t took this advice and with a little help of our friends we survived until I was able to do some trunking work… I think this is question of how you was rised: both of us would feel bad when living at the other people’s expense… But if you are third generation who lives from benefit and social help, you can’t see nothing wrong with it: it’s the same in Poland, there is a whole bunch of people who used to work on the state farms in the old times and now they leave in some tower blocks in the middle of the countryside and demand everything from the state…

Bloody hell mate, you’ll never fit in with that attitude But I do find it a bit sickening that one of the few people who have my attitude to work is from another country, and getting slated by Neanderthals for “taking British jobs”
I apologise to you, on behalf of all right-thinking Brits, for that ■■■■■■■■■

[fileep]

Wheel Nut:

Fileep:
I WAS in favour of the europeans in this country and I am in no way a bigot/racist, but with the recent downturn in work I can understand the OP’s sentiment! The place I am working has plenty of them and in the managements eyes they can do no wrong, last year one tipped at Tesco middleton, he rang in and was told to go to Kendal, he refused to do it and brought the truck back empty(Newark). Not a word was said. English driver, saw his shifts a week in advance, let the office know he couldn’t do the friday long run as he needed to be back early, gave them 5 days notice, came in on the friday to find they hadn’t swapped his shift, made a complaint and was sent home never to be seen again. Another issue I have is that with so many foreign drivers having with what could be falsely obtained licences why don’t we make them sit a British test! Why because we are in the EU do we just accept it without question?

Could?

I would love to see your evidence for this and where they get the digital cards from?

Take a British test and watch all the crap British drivers queuing up for a driving test in Calais

This may answer your question!

viewtopic.php?f=2&t=71003

[the_sarge]

Fileep:

Wheel Nut:

Fileep:
I WAS in favour of the europeans in this country and I am in no way a bigot/racist, but with the recent downturn in work I can understand the OP’s sentiment! The place I am working has plenty of them and in the managements eyes they can do no wrong, last year one tipped at Tesco middleton, he rang in and was told to go to Kendal, he refused to do it and brought the truck back empty(Newark). Not a word was said. English driver, saw his shifts a week in advance, let the office know he couldn’t do the friday long run as he needed to be back early, gave them 5 days notice, came in on the friday to find they hadn’t swapped his shift, made a complaint and was sent home never to be seen again. Another issue I have is that with so many foreign drivers having with what could be falsely obtained licences why don’t we make them sit a British test! Why because we are in the EU do we just accept it without question?

Could?

I would love to see your evidence for this and where they get the digital cards from?

Take a British test and watch all the crap British drivers queuing up for a driving test in Calais

This may answer your question!

viewtopic.php?f=2&t=71003

I read that thread, and I call Bulldump!

[orys]

The Sarge:
Bloody hell mate, you’ll never fit in with that attitude But I do find it a bit sickening that one of the few people who have my attitude to work is from another country, and getting slated by Neanderthals for “taking British jobs”
I apologise to you, on behalf of all right-thinking Brits, for that [zb]…

Eh, it’s not as bad. I think that percentage of people who would like to leave at other’s expense is about the same in both nations, the only problem is that here in UK you can have decent life, and in Poland if you on state benefit you can barely survive, therefore this is not as popular option

Also: due to Poland being poor country, people are used to try hard and to find and utilise all opportunities to earn even a few zÅ‚oty… Here, people are used to live in relative comfort, therefore many of them forgot that live can be hard Many Poles say “Britons are stupid”, I Can’t agree with them, although I often see them doing some stupid things or giving up easily. Sometimes I want to kill half of the people in my work for not stopping and thinking for a while… I think this is because they are not used to wangle (I am not sure if I am using the right word, I mean to wangle in positive conotation, as to “try hard to find a solution from dificult situation”, “being creative” etc) . They are not stupid, they are smart, but due to living in realtive luxury they are not used to HAVE to be creative, because everything was coming easily to them.

You can even see that in the transport industry - waste of resources, empty runs… If you run a company in Poland and you order agency drivers to sit in the canteen and do nothing, or you send a 44 tonners with one pallet to the other end of the country and back empty, you would be quickly out of business… This is because profit margins in Poland are still much lower (or, at least, they were much lower before the credit crunch hit you)…

Or watch the lorries: My friend some years ago used to have a small haulage company, his fleet was like (IIRC) one 24yo Jelcz, one 18yo Liaz and two 18 yo Scanias. Jelcz and Liaz were doing national runs, and Scanias were going to Germany. German VOSA was stopping him all the time, but his vans were allways spot on and he had some troubles only once, I think.

Here, during my years as an agency driver, I was appaled about state of some vans. And the oldest one I ever drove was I think K reg. And that was the one where I slammed the doors and went home when I lost brakes and they were claiming that “it’s normal for it’s age”.

I think it’s because if you know that you will get new one in five years you don’t care for them properly, especially when they will go away soon. If you run a business in much harder market, you have to take care of your van, as you never know when (if) you will be able to buy a new one… And until recently this “new one” was usually some 10 years old one from Germany…

Recently I met a Slovak owner courier when I was away in Europe, he was driving a first generation sprinter (the one with square headlights) with well over a 1 000 000 kms on the clock. He gave me a lift to the car park when I left my van. The oldest one in our place is 56 plate, the oldest we had from new (so it has some proper miles on it) is 58 and it has over 400 000 miles on it… But if someone asked me which one I would BUY for myself, I would go for that Slovak one. Because was in mint condition!

So this is not that Britons are stupid and uncreative, or that they can’t take care of their vehicles - it’s simply they don’t do that, because they don’t have to…

This is my private teory.

[the_sarge]

I think you could be right

[carryfast]

orys:

Carryfast:
It seems that you’re learning then orys that WW2 was’nt just all about Poland’s interests and Polish input.

Oh, I knew it all the time. I only talking about Polish effort, because my knowledge on that field is vast compared to the others…

For me it seems rather that it’s you who learns that the war wasn’t won only thanks to Brtisish money and brilliant engineers

Actually orys in the context of those daytime US bomber pilots (and the Poles flying in the battle of Britain) it was mostly British engineers who came up with the idea of putting the British designed Rolls Merlin (not a Polish lump ) into the Spitfire which helped a lot in sorting out the German fighters at the time,and then the Mustang which gave the thing the combination of performance and range needed to finally save a lot more of those US bomber crews by providing them with a decent fighter ■■■■■■ all the way into Germany and back.

[carryfast]

orys:

Wheel Nut:

orys:
I call that “I would not rise my bum from the bed to do that work/ to work for that money” culture, and, honestly, cannot understand it (unless, off course, you can get more in benefits than by working, and that makes me sick).

With 17 kids or even 5, you can Orys, no council tax, they get housing benefit, free prescriptions and a DWP payment every two weeks. Get a doctors note and a walking stick and they manage to get a motability people carrier and handouts from the social fund.

I get some of these benefits but am unable to do a full time job at the moment although Tuesday could change that

Tell me about it. When I had my car accident and was unable to work, I was refused any benefits.

Spoken like a true east european with an east european outlook.If you’re really going to think like an American with the American way the idea is to get rid of all social security bs,including the NHS.In which case you’re going to need to factor in private health and redundancy etc etc insurance into the wage requirements.But we can’t do that remember because the labour market has been rigged by throwing it open to cheap labour economies with low wage expectations who expect the social to pick up the bill when it all goes ■■■■ up here .The problem is that those like the east europeans and the anti Brit protectionist labour market lot seem to be a bit selective in their ideas for the social security system in that they want it when it suits them but not when it’s needed by someone else.

[wheel_nut]

Carryfast:

orys:

Carryfast:
It seems that you’re learning then orys that WW2 was’nt just all about Poland’s interests and Polish input.

Oh, I knew it all the time. I only talking about Polish effort, because my knowledge on that field is vast compared to the others…

For me it seems rather that it’s you who learns that the war wasn’t won only thanks to Brtisish money and brilliant engineers

Actually orys in the context of those daytime US bomber pilots (and the Poles flying in the battle of Britain) it was mostly British engineers who came up with the idea of putting the British designed Rolls Merlin (not a Polish lump ) into the Spitfire which helped a lot in sorting out the German fighters at the time,and then the Mustang which gave the thing the combination of performance and range needed to finally save a lot more of those US bomber crews by providing them with a decent fighter ■■■■■■ all the way into Germany and back.

Captain Context strikes again

For the same reason the Luftwaffe didn’t use Detroit Diesels instead of using their own Junkers Jumo. The Messerschmitt was designed and built in Germany, so the British used a Rolls Royce in a British aeroplane. The Hungarian Messerschmitt didnt have a RABA engine fitted either

[the_sarge]

Carryfast:

orys:

Wheel Nut:

orys:
I call that “I would not rise my bum from the bed to do that work/ to work for that money” culture, and, honestly, cannot understand it (unless, off course, you can get more in benefits than by working, and that makes me sick).

With 17 kids or even 5, you can Orys, no council tax, they get housing benefit, free prescriptions and a DWP payment every two weeks. Get a doctors note and a walking stick and they manage to get a motability people carrier and handouts from the social fund.

I get some of these benefits but am unable to do a full time job at the moment although Tuesday could change that

Tell me about it. When I had my car accident and was unable to work, I was refused any benefits.

Spoken like a true east european with an east european outlook.If you’re really going to think like an American with the American way the idea is to get rid of all social security bs,including the NHS.In which case you’re going to need to factor in private health and redundancy etc etc insurance into the wage requirements.But we can’t do that remember because the labour market has been rigged by throwing it open to cheap labour economies with low wage expectations who expect the social to pick up the bill when it all goes ■■■■ up here .The problem is that those like the east europeans and the anti Brit protectionist labour market lot seem to be a bit selective in their ideas for the social security system in that they want it when it suits them but not when it’s needed by someone else.

At last I agree with the majority on here - blocked.

[orys]

Carryfast:
Actually orys in the context of those daytime US bomber pilots (and the Poles flying in the battle of Britain) it was mostly British engineers who came up with the idea of putting the British designed Rolls Merlin (not a Polish lump ) into the Spitfire which helped a lot in sorting out the German fighters at the time,and then the Mustang which gave the thing the combination of performance and range needed to finally save a lot more of those US bomber crews by providing them with a decent fighter ■■■■■■ all the way into Germany and back.

Well, by the time Britain got really involved in war it would be hard to fit any Polish parts to any plane

But although you are right and the engines were really good (and planes as well), they weren’t as good to fly themselves. British engineers weren’t good enough to develop British mechanical pilot, so humans were still required. And it just happens that Polish pilots were amongst the best ones (which off course does not mean, that they were only good ones!)

[dodgy_permit]

Carryfast:

orys:

Carryfast:
It seems that you’re learning then orys that WW2 was’nt just all about Poland’s interests and Polish input.

Oh, I knew it all the time. I only talking about Polish effort, because my knowledge on that field is vast compared to the others…

For me it seems rather that it’s you who learns that the war wasn’t won only thanks to Brtisish money and brilliant engineers

Actually orys in the context of those daytime US bomber pilots (and the Poles flying in the battle of Britain) it was mostly British engineers who came up with the idea of putting the British designed Rolls Merlin (not a Polish lump ) into the Spitfire which helped a lot in sorting out the German fighters at the time,and then the Mustang which gave the thing the combination of performance and range needed to finally save a lot more of those US bomber crews by providing them with a decent fighter ■■■■■■ all the way into Germany and back.

You really need to drop it mate.
You have been clearly outmaneuvered, clearly out gunned & clearly out thought by the Polish Pilot in this battle

[the_sarge]

Dodgy Permit:

You really need to drop it mate.
You have been clearly outmaneuvered, clearly out gunned & clearly out thought by the Polish Pilot in this battle

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