sdg1970:
Fair play, but history and mawkish sentiment should never cloud reality and reasoning on an even playing field. I don’t doubt the Polish’ role in WWII or as a player in an EU integrated society. But when assymetry palpably rears it’s ugly head in an ever depressed climate, then even the most phlegmatic of players is going to have a bite. Xenophobia and racism, should never be confused with realism. The former have no role, but the latter is evident to the astute and intuitive in an ever assymetrical society.
sdg1970:
Fair play, but history and mawkish sentiment should never cloud reality and reasoning on an even playing field. I don’t doubt the Polish’ role in WWII or as a player in an EU integrated society. But when assymetry palpably rears it’s ugly head in an ever depressed climate, then even the most phlegmatic of players is going to have a bite. Xenophobia and racism, should never be confused with realism. The former have no role, but the latter is evident to the astute and intuitive in an ever assymetrical society.
Well all this stuff I didn’t realise was going on in our little Island of ours!
There was me thinking the post was about a disgruntled agency driver not getting a pick of the jobs because he was born one part of Europe as oppose to the other - hush tones, with cupped hands - across the water
Well that makes perfect sense. Man in Oxford is a bit cheesed off and needs to review his employment opportunities. What is he like on holiday do you think? Would he complain about the lack of HP sauce on a Benidorm table? Just a thought…
Plambert:
Well all this stuff I didn’t realise was going on in our little Island of ours!
There was me thinking the post was about a disgruntled agency driver not getting a pick of the jobs because he was born one part of Europe as oppose to the other - hush tones, with cupped hands - across the water
Well that makes perfect sense. Man in Oxford is a bit cheesed off and needs to review his employment opportunities. What is he like on holiday do you think? Would he complain about the lack of HP sauce on a Benidorm table? Just a thought…
I’d say he’d be ok for HP sauce in the sort of places he’d frequent in Benidorm
switchlogic:
History is important and should never be forgotten but does it really matter how many were killed by Poles or Brits in Spitfires? Or who made the best planes? No not really anymore I’m afraid, maybe interesting for you but probably not for the people who contributed to this topic you hijacked, again.
You are right, it’s absolutely irrelevant, but I found it really interesting. After all drifting off the topic is the joy of foruming, isn’t it?
switchlogic:
History is important and should never be forgotten but does it really matter how many were killed by Poles or Brits in Spitfires? Or who made the best planes? No not really anymore I’m afraid, maybe interesting for you but probably not for the people who contributed to this topic you hijacked, again.
You are right, it’s absolutely irrelevant, but I found it really interesting. After all drifting off the topic is the joy of foruming, isn’t it?
And I found it equally interesting Orys, in fact I was so touched by the story of 303 squadron on TV it became my signature for a while.
It is 70 years ago, the brave men who saved our arses are slowly disappearing, without history the kids would not know the importance of the conflict. Even on a trucking forum these views are important, how boring it would be to say I drove there, tipped and drove back empty, just like my Grandad did when he went to Dresden!
Wheel Nut:
. Even on a trucking forum these views are important, how boring it would be to say I drove there, tipped and drove back empty, just like my Grandad did when he went to Dresden!
Hehe, that reminds me an anegtode I heard once.
70’s, Dresden airport. British private jet plane lands then gets lost on the taxi roads, makes a wrong turn and again, and again… The airport control gets annoyed and tells him “stay where you are and we are sending a pilot car to guide you, just follow him when he arrives” then they forgot to switch the mike off and one of the controlers can be heard speaking in German “Bloody Brit, if he gets no idea about his job, they should send him to Scotland to practice on some bloody forgoten airport, not for a first trip to the big city of Dresden”. The pilot of British jet answers to that in very good German “Sir, it’s not my first visit to Dresden, some time ago I’ve been here several times, but at this time we weren’t landing, we were just dropping what we had and making an u-turn”
Eh? Is there oil up/down there or will they be the best place to live after global warming?
Haven’t waded through all the posts but I don’t think any reasonable person came blame anyone for trying to better themselves which I presume is the main reason for the influx from the relatively near East.
For Orys in particular, you must be astute enough to realise that this invasion, which is what it can seem like to many Brits as there has been an undeniably relatively huge amount of recent Eastern European immigration to this island, not just Poles, is having a quite rapid affect on our culture (from the number of people you hear on the street speaking apparently without vowels to the number of specialist chatkas and even adverts featuring meerkats). Like previous waves of immigration, this foreign influence is alternatively feared and exploited depending on your viewpoint. This perceived threat to a particular individual is what makes that person become anti-. Like the monarchy, I am not against this economic migration in general as long as it pays its way though there are plenty of British lazy losers who should be doing many of those jobs but the point is they don’t (have to). Do I presume correctly that the UK in particular has been seen as the land of opportunity in terms of monetary reward and a chance for a (relatively) exotic (OK pushing a point there a bit) experience as well a free chance to learn the lingo properly?
btw I don’t think you mentioned that Zumbach was a Swiss (apols if you did, keep up the good work!)
Snudger:
btw I don’t think you mentioned that Zumbach was a Swiss (apols if you did, keep up the good work!)
Ha! Thanks for that! I never knew that!
Wiki says his father had two citizenships but he had no Polish passport, despite being born in Warsaw and attending to Polish schools. He showed such great patriotism that noone really thought about checking if he’s a Polish citizens when he volunteered for the army!
I guess though that you know his story after the war? When Britain won the war, the heroes from yesterday weren’t needed any longer, so they were (basically) told to bugger off. Polish army wasn’t even allowed to take part in the parade. Some returned to Poland, where they were treated as a traitors who fought for the British army (after Yalta we became enemies) or spies, some of our greatest heroes were murdered on that basis (see en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Witold_Pilecki , this is another hero of his times!), some migrated to USA, Canada or New Zeland, some moved to France and Zumbach becomed involved in some dirty business in Africa, when he was a smuggler and had a great deal of mistery businesses. Died in some suspicious circumstances in Paris in 1986…
Just slightly teasing about Zumbach, he was as Polish as… KoÅ›ciuszko (just checked and he actually died in Switzerland oddly enough) - initially thought Zumbach was Czech - that was FrantiÅ¡ek. Utterly shameful, of course, the treatment of many of our friends after WW2 as these guys were heroes who even helped out the Communists in effect and we let in a lot of nasties fleeing Communist persecution (war criminals etc.) The sad fact though is that people generally just don’t care about the past and others are considered expendable.
Haha, so if I die in Scotland, I will become Scottish?
Note, that it would be hard for KoÅ›ciuszko to die in Poland, unless he’ll manage to leave for another 101 years
Kościuszko was Polish, as far as pre-partitions Poland is concerned, as, unlike today, at this time Poland was a country of many nationalites, main two being Lithuanian and Polish. His family had some lithuanian roots as well, but his family was from the Roch coat of arms: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roch_III_coat_of_arms
the last post says it all WERE PART OF THE EU hence they have as much rights as us wether we like it or not its life. and agencys tend to look after people who have been there longer and probably never turned a shift down this is too op if you dont like the look of the industry leave it
i thought it had gone the other way.
pretty much all of the driver’s i meet on breakdowns are UK guys (maintenance related of course!)
but the amount of vehicles on the road seems drastically reduced to me.
orys:
Haha, so if I die in Scotland, I will become Scottish?
Note, that it would be hard for KoÅ›ciuszko to die in Poland, unless he’ll manage to leave for another 101 years
Kościuszko was Polish, as far as pre-partitions Poland is concerned, as, unlike today, at this time Poland was a country of many nationalites, main two being Lithuanian and Polish. His family had some lithuanian roots as well, but his family was from the Roch coat of arms: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roch_III_coat_of_arms
I didn’t think he was a tax-exile, doing it for his health, attempting the North face of the Eiger or seeking to end his life!
If I should die in some foreign field… then I shall become part of that field.
