Carryfast:
So why the zb can’t the Poles etc now use their so called better work practices and ethics to make their own counties better,by their own efforts,than Germany,at cold war 1970’s type German wages instead of coming over here getting involved with,and helping to de stabilise,the already saturated UK labour market .
Because, maybe, the growth it’s not only about work etics and hard work, but also about some capital to begin with. And time. That’s why while Poland still notes significant economic growth and Britain is goind down now, it will still be many years before our wealth will be possible even to compare.
Because unlike you, we weren’t enjoying benefits of the free world over last half of the century, as you did. That what we wanted (independence) was finally achieved only in 1989, despite that we wanted that all the time. But Poles were good to fight for Allies, but when they weren’t needed any more, the Big Three decided their future over their heads in Yalta. In the meantime you had time and means to get out of the debts and rebuild your country which, compared to others, suffered only slightly from the war, while we had to rebuild more than 90% of the country, while still being milked by the Soviet Union.
If you refer to the history, please don’t pick only the bits which are handy to you at this very moment.
Milked by the SU so where did Poland get it’s natural rescources like oil and gas from .Don’t know of any Polish oil or gas fields.And don’t think we were ever out of debt to America for the money that we had to re pay for Germany’s debts in re building it’s economy after ww2,until long after 1989.Also don’t remember the Polish army or the Yugoslav army etc etc turning it’s weapons on the Russians when they all signed the Warsaw Pact which cost us even more money to defend ourselves from an even larger force than Russia.
MrHappy:
CF you’re clearly wasted as a driver and judging by your last post, your knowledge of history and politics is too great to be wasted. Seeing as you talk enough [zb] to be a politician, I can see a win win situation for all of us here…
Depends on your definition of bs but let’s hear your version of history then as you seem to think that it reflects reality more than the facts do.
Well my definition of bs is one thats probably shared by most of the users on this forum, but it is a completely different version no doubt in your solar system.
As for my version of history, a man such as yourself no doubt knows that all history books are written by the winners, because the losers aren’t around to write them. Therefore all history is biased surely
Carryfast:
You still don’t seem to get it orys.Britain did’nt ‘welcome’ the east european workers it’s just that the business lot here,who stand to make a profit from cheaper labour costs,saw a business opportunity and took the cold decision just on that basis alone.
Well, I might not get the British politics well yet, but as far as I understend this is not a business lot, who rule this country. It’s the goverment and it’s you who voted them on power. So as from my point of view it was Britain who opened it’s borders…
is just effectively the east european states sponging off the developed western eu ones with a few people here getting rich quick by profiteering off the differences between the two types of economies.
Well, Germany are crying for Polish workers already, they even offered special program for a school leavers - free language course, then work placement in Germany and then work guaranted… But Poles are not as interested as they would like them to…
But this proves one point: this is not East sponging west. Both sides need each other: we need you, because our countries are still underdevelopped. You need us, because you can’t find enough cheap workforce to keep your live on the level you are used to. Especially that many local people are not interested with the work done by the Eastern Europeans - like farm jobs or crap factory work.
How the zb will low wages and a cheap workforce keep our standards of living high .But I’m not surprised that many Poles would probably prefer to stay away from Germany considering that maybe it’s better not to forget history too fast in that regard and maybe the Germans are’nt so keen to as the propaganda makes out.But the important bit is that the Swiss obviously don’t share your views and I don’t see them complaining about being as poor as the Brits yet.
I dont think its as bad as it as 1 or 2 years ago, a lot of the poles have buggered off now they know first hand how ■■■■ it is and how bloody expensive everything is.
MrHappy:
CF you’re clearly wasted as a driver and judging by your last post, your knowledge of history and politics is too great to be wasted. Seeing as you talk enough [zb] to be a politician, I can see a win win situation for all of us here…
Depends on your definition of bs but let’s hear your version of history then as you seem to think that it reflects reality more than the facts do.
Well my definition of bs is one thats probably shared by most of the users on this forum, but it is a completely different version no doubt in your solar system.
As for my version of history, a man such as yourself no doubt knows that all history books are written by the winners, because the losers aren’t around to write them. Therefore all history is biased surely
Biased towards the pc lot who definitely are in a different solar system.Maybe you should check out how much money we spent defending ourselves from the Warsaw Pact lot and then how much we’ve spent so far on them all since the Russians dumped them all and gave them to us to look after instead.
Carryfast:
Milked by the SU so where did Poland get it’s natural rescources like oil and gas from
From Russia, mostly. The “milking” is in what we had to pay for it.
As in this old joke: we send them container of clothes and in exchange they send us a container of army boots. To repair, polish and return to them
.Don’t know of any Polish oil or gas fields.
Well, I know. Propably this is because I know the subject and you don’t
Also don’t remember the Polish army or the Yugoslav army etc etc turning it’s weapons on the Russians when they all signed the Warsaw Pact which cost us even more money to defend ourselves from an even larger force than Russia.
This made me laugh You, Brits, cannot make united front of truckers union to fight for your rights, but you blame Poles that because we did not fought the overhelming Soviet army stationed in our country (milions, literaly milions of soldiers) who were, at the same time, the only supplier of ammo etc, you have to pay more for you defence agains Warsaw Pact… So why you did not joined Warsaw Pact if that was so benefitial?
Hungarians tried an regular uprising in 1956. If you knew a little about history, you would know how it ended. You would also know how ended Polish struggle in 1956, 1968. 1970, 1976, 1980 and 1981 and how many people were shoot, tortured or murdered by the secret police. But you doubt these dates means anything to you (and I not blaming you, these are parts of the Polish history, you don’t have to know them. UNLESS you pretend to know something about Polish situation in ■■ century, then some homework would be handy.
“England is home to the greatest work force one the planet… the polish” - Jimmy Carr… there was more but couldn’t find it… but it went something like this:
“They come to our country, get our jobs, get our women… what does that say about us?”
Going back to the roots of this hell… I think that if only fair that a pole who was on the books longer gets the job first… if you want more shifts register with more agencies and you’ll be turning down work pretty soon…
and a lot depends on your attitude as well… you’re concentrating on others people business instead on your own… spend that time registering, and looking elsewhere… don’t be all bitchy about it… go to the manager on site and ask if it would be possible to get some more shifts… if not look elsewhere…
The work is there you just have to look… many prefer to sign in and stay at home because
(let’s blame it all on labour now ) government allows it (or used to)
And I don’t blame Polish for coming here… I know a guy who was a transport supervisor be there, graduate
and still came here and works in a warehouse… just because here you can make enough money to
live with a wife and newborn child with only one person working…
if you’re not happy with Poles being here go join BNP…
and all this history talk? ffs it’s 2011 there’s end of the world scheduled for Saturday… problems are here now… not in the past
Carryfast:
How the zb will low wages and a cheap workforce keep our standards of living high
Simple. Example: if not food picked by cheap workers, washed and packed by cheap workers in the factory and then delivered to you by cheap trucking companies, you could not afford to fill your supermarket trolley any more.
.But I’m not surprised that many Poles would probably prefer to stay away from Germany considering that maybe it’s better not to forget history too fast in that regard and maybe the Germans are’nt so keen to as the propaganda makes out.
There is plenty of Poles working in Germany already - there is a strong mutual history and our nations are a big mixed on the edges (see Silesians, who consider themselves as a separate ethnic group). I think this is not the history that people are concerned about - the relations between our two countries were never better…
But the important bit is that the Swiss obviously don’t share your views and I don’t see them complaining about being as poor as the Brits yet.
Swiss? What Switzerland has to do with it? Or you mean Sweden?
MrHappy:
CF you’re clearly wasted as a driver and judging by your last post, your knowledge of history and politics is too great to be wasted. Seeing as you talk enough [zb] to be a politician, I can see a win win situation for all of us here…
Depends on your definition of bs but let’s hear your version of history then as you seem to think that it reflects reality more than the facts do.
Well my definition of bs is one thats probably shared by most of the users on this forum, but it is a completely different version no doubt in your solar system.
As for my version of history, a man such as yourself no doubt knows that all history books are written by the winners, because the losers aren’t around to write them. Therefore all history is biased surely
Biased towards the pc lot who definitely are in a different solar system.Maybe you should check out how much money we spent defending ourselves from the Warsaw Pact lot and then how much we’ve spent so far on them all since the Russians dumped them all and gave them to us to look after instead.
And maybe I shouldn’t. Believe it or not, I have a few more pressing issues at the moment without researching or worrying about the things I cannot change.
For some of us on Planet Earth this is quite normal
MrHappy:
And maybe I shouldn’t. Believe it or not, I have a few more pressing issues at the moment without researching or worrying about the things I cannot change.
For some of us on Planet Earth this is quite normal
There is no point of checking.
The UK had thousends of great Polish soldiers defending them for nazist. Instead of keeping good relations with them, they sold them to Russians in Yalta. And now he moans that it costed them a lot to defend… If you diod not wanted to have them as enemies, you should keep them on your side, CF
And now I think you just lost what you saved by letting Poles to help you defend yourself from the Nazist
Dont matter where you go or what agency you sign too, the problem is much the same all round this area oxford.
And if this was the other way round I wonder if the poles would be so welcome to us brits why we take there jobs and under cut there pay?
As for this open borders around europe that would work fine but the trouble they all want to come here they dont want to go to France or Germany Spain ect.
One last thing to all these in support of the Polish work force are you about to lose your house because you cant pay the mortgage or you cant send your kids on the school trip or buy them those nice new trainers.
But like someone said we really shouldent blame them we are lucky enough to have a vote in this country and its about time we put someone like ukip in to come out of europe and govern ourselfs.
But maybe its too late in the day now you no the games up when I was lucky enough to get a shift Sunday night and was waiting in the tea room for my run and there was 5 of us myself and 4 poles there talking away in the native tongue.
dantruckman:
As for this open borders around europe that would work fine but the trouble they all want to come here they dont want to go to France or Germany Spain ect.
Because:
France, Germany and Spain did not opened their markets from day one
So if some people came here, the others had it easier to join some friends or family who are already there
and last but not least: English is not only most popular foreign langages, but it’s also one of the easiest to learn, and for sure easiest from them four.
dantruckman:
Dont matter where you go or what agency you sign too, the problem is much the same all round this area oxford.
And if this was the other way round I wonder if the poles would be so welcome to us brits why we take there jobs and under cut there pay?
As for this open borders around europe that would work fine but the trouble they all want to come here they dont want to go to France or Germany Spain ect.
One last thing to all these in support of the Polish work force are you about to lose your house because you cant pay the mortgage or you cant send your kids on the school trip or buy them those nice new trainers.
But like someone said we really shouldent blame them we are lucky enough to have a vote in this country and its about time we put someone like ukip in to come out of europe and govern ourselfs.
But maybe its too late in the day now you no the games up when I was lucky enough to get a shift Sunday night and was waiting in the tea room for my run and there was 5 of us myself and 4 poles there talking away in the native tongue.
it’s only natural to choose for the best available country to settle in… trust me if us had their borders open… I’d already be there competing with Mexicans over who rules California
As to British being welcome on Polish land… soon we’ll take over UK so you’ll have a chance to figure that out haha…
seriously… register with all the agencies in Oxford and then if you still don’t get a full weeks shifts… well come back and complain…
I have only read the opening page, but I can tell you the problem mate. You are a moron. Cut up your driving license and go home (Via public transport obviously).
Dogmatix:
I have only read the opening page, but I can tell you the problem mate. You are a moron. Cut up your driving license and go home (Via public transport obviously).
Theres only one MORON on here and thats you mate another one who loves the polish well done mate hope your proud of yourself…MORON
Polish people working here isn’t a new thing. When I left my home country and became a migrant worker by moving to London in 1979, I worked in restaurants in the West End and at two of the places I worked, The Comedy in Panton Street and Snows on Picadilly Circus most of the kitchen and waiting staff were Polish.
And then there is this.
We might all be sporting silly little moustaches and have hair like Switchlogic in his latest video if it wasn’t for their pilots during the Battle of Britain. Even the BNP recognise that as they used a Spitfire piloted by a Polish pilot on the front of one of their leaflets.
Dogmatix:
I have only read the opening page, but I can tell you the problem mate. You are a moron. Cut up your driving license and go home (Via public transport obviously).
Theres only one MORON on here and thats you mate another one who loves the polish well done mate hope your proud of yourself…MORON
Thanks for making my point for me. I work alongside Polish drivers, its about 60/40 at our place Brits/Poles. I have no issues, I work hard and just get on with it. Maybe if you tried that instead of expecting to get a job just because you are british you might get further.
Dogmatix:
I have only read the opening page, but I can tell you the problem mate. You are a moron. Cut up your driving license and go home (Via public transport obviously).
Theres only one MORON on here and thats you mate another one who loves the polish well done mate hope your proud of yourself…MORON
Thanks for making my point for me. I work alongside Polish drivers, its about 60/40 at our place Brits/Poles. I have no issues, I work hard and just get on with it. Maybe if you tried that instead of expecting to get a job just because you are british you might get further.
Oh and I just know you are a fan of Jon Gaunt.
And Im also A fan of James Whale too ohhhhh how dare I say these thing out loud you no the more I think about I am a BIGOT how dare I want whats best for British drivers and as for you mate its easy for you your in a nice little job well I hope you lose soon then you might change your views on the subject
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