Carryfast:
Or maybe it’s that now we’ve given all the commie zb’s a foot in the door they’ll just make sure that they get their lot into a position where it’s them who are doing the hiring and firing ( HR dept) and as we’ve seen the Poles etc etc are much better at looking after their national interests than the Brits are.
There you go CF, you have someone with your views to join you in your crusade against Blacks, Jews and Communists. When you get your hoods on, you can maybe whisper in daftdans ear that the new Pope is Polish.
If the KKK are so open why do they cover their heads up with a pointed Burka?
Carryfast:
Or maybe it’s that now we’ve given all the commie zb’s a foot in the door they’ll just make sure that they get their lot into a position where it’s them who are doing the hiring and firing ( HR dept) and as we’ve seen the Poles etc etc are much better at looking after their national interests than the Brits are.
But that’s only brings my question one level up without changing it: How is that HR depts are hiring commie zb’s instead of brit zb’s? They have to be better in something if they are hired over their British counterpart? And how it is, when the HR here work differs much stronger from the same work back in Poland than driving?
Actually this is something new: A British Driver who actually works and wants to work in the same job that these Poles he’s slagging, instead of just usual moaning “I would not rise my bum to work for these crap money they do” or “I am on the dole, because of them”.
Apart of that it’s just usual crap like: "Some EE Drivers are bad so let’s make them sit another test in Britain - my answer to this is “Some British drivers are crap as well, would they have to sit another test in Britain as well”?
Some ungrounded allegation that “forging driving licenses” is common in my part of the world, well, I several times posted here information what it’s required to pass a C or C+E in Poland, together with schemes and youtube movies, just go look for it. I dare to tell it’s harder to obtain lorry license in Poland than here (and I know something about it as I was doing my bus license here and the course was a joke compared to what I’ve been trhroug for my C back in Poland. As we already discussed several times, the real reason of why you can see some crap Polish drivers is that there is a real shortage of drivers back there, so they take on everyone who got a license and send them to international trucking. You won’t see many of British crap drivers doing this kind of work, as most of them will never be able to get a proper job if they are crap.
But as you called me, I can take part in this thread and try to get answer to my usual question, the one which was never answered and allways ignored:
How is that me, the Polish driver, has no problem to find a good job in this country? (apart from the period when I was injured in car accident and wasn’t able to do most of the jobs, I never had less than three agency shifts in a week for longer than 2 weeks in a row, and never looked for full time employment, when needed, for longer than three weeks.
Britain do not discriminate against any nationality, and I can say I never feelt discriminated, or favourised, because I am Polish.
But it’s perfectly legal to pick the most experienced worker. I don’t have vast experience, my English still leaves a lot to be desired, I am still not familiar with all customs and procedures in this country, yet somehow I was often chosen over my British counterparts.
My only explanation is that if they choose me if they have plenty of experienced Britons, native speakers etc. available and they choose me, I have to be a good worker… Or maybe I am wrong?
Or maybe it’s that now we’ve given all the commie zb’s a foot in the door they’ll just make sure that they get their lot into a position where it’s them who are doing the hiring and firing ( HR dept) and as we’ve seen the Poles etc etc are much better at looking after their national interests than the Brits are.
Commies? What are you an ex GI vet from The Vietnam war or something? I suspect the only “Nam” you ever been to is Twicke Nam! Yet again though you have proved beyond any doubt that there is still a secret Bell End Society amongst us truckers of which i’m sure you are President
AlexWignall:
I have been an Immigrant Driver in Belgium, Holland and Denmark. How can I complain when EU Citizens come to work in the UK?
Al
Were you living in these countries or just passing through?
In Belgium and Holland I was employed as a Flemish National paying local Tax and National Ins with a local Postal address and Bank Account.
In Denmark I had to pay Tax for the Pleasure of working there but my bosses contributions were reduced.
For what it is worth some of the younger Flemish lads resented the perception that I had better work (ie long trips). The more mature drivers were just glad it was me working in the weekend and not them.
Br Al
Do you have dual nationality or something?
Br 44
No, I gave up my rented cottage in the UK when I got the job in Belgium and I lived in my truck for just over five years. I thought about buying a place in Gent but I decided to come back home.
AlexWignall:
I have been an Immigrant Driver in Belgium, Holland and Denmark. How can I complain when EU Citizens come to work in the UK?
Al
Were you living in these countries or just passing through?
In Belgium and Holland I was employed as a Flemish National paying local Tax and National Ins with a local Postal address and Bank Account.
In Denmark I had to pay Tax for the Pleasure of working there but my bosses contributions were reduced.
For what it is worth some of the younger Flemish lads resented the perception that I had better work (ie long trips). The more mature drivers were just glad it was me working in the weekend and not them.
Br Al
Do you have dual nationality or something?
Br 44
No, I gave up my rented cottage in the UK when I got the job in Belgium and I lived in my truck for just over five years. I thought about buying a place in Gent but I decided to come back home.
Br Al
Five years in the truck? You don’t come across as stir crazy!
Anyway, back to your original point about being a migrant worker. You can’t complain, that would be a tad hypocritical. I, on the other hand can! I will re-state a point I have made in other posts in the past. I have no objection to people coming here to work if the positions genuinely cannot be filled by UK workers. I also welcome those who can integrate and display a willingness to be good citizens. In short, people who can be a positive influence. I will always despise the corporate greed that seeks to take advantage of those in other countries, encouraging them in by the boat load under the guise of some bollox about European unity, knowing full well that those further up the food chain will feel little or no impact whilst undermining a substantial number of the indigenous population.
Actually this is something new: A British Driver who actually works and wants to work in the same job that these Poles he’s slagging, instead of just usual moaning “I would not rise my bum to work for these crap money they do” or “I am on the dole, because of them”.
Apart of that it’s just usual crap like: "Some EE Drivers are bad so let’s make them sit another test in Britain - my answer to this is “Some British drivers are crap as well, would they have to sit another test in Britain as well”?
Some ungrounded allegation that “forging driving licenses” is common in my part of the world, well, I several times posted here information what it’s required to pass a C or C+E in Poland, together with schemes and youtube movies, just go look for it. I dare to tell it’s harder to obtain lorry license in Poland than here (and I know something about it as I was doing my bus license here and the course was a joke compared to what I’ve been trhroug for my C back in Poland. As we already discussed several times, the real reason of why you can see some crap Polish drivers is that there is a real shortage of drivers back there, so they take on everyone who got a license and send them to international trucking. You won’t see many of British crap drivers doing this kind of work, as most of them will never be able to get a proper job if they are crap.
But as you called me, I can take part in this thread and try to get answer to my usual question, the one which was never answered and allways ignored:
How is that me, the Polish driver, has no problem to find a good job in this country? (apart from the period when I was injured in car accident and wasn’t able to do most of the jobs, I never had less than three agency shifts in a week for longer than 2 weeks in a row, and never looked for full time employment, when needed, for longer than three weeks.
Britain do not discriminate against any nationality, and I can say I never feelt discriminated, or favourised, because I am Polish.
But it’s perfectly legal to pick the most experienced worker. I don’t have vast experience, my English still leaves a lot to be desired, I am still not familiar with all customs and procedures in this country, yet somehow I was often chosen over my British counterparts.
My only explanation is that if they choose me if they have plenty of experienced Britons, native speakers etc. available and they choose me, I have to be a good worker… Or maybe I am wrong?
Or maybe it’s that now we’ve given all the commie zb’s a foot in the door they’ll just make sure that they get their lot into a position where it’s them who are doing the hiring and firing ( HR dept) and as we’ve seen the Poles etc etc are much better at looking after their national interests than the Brits are.
Commies? What are you an ex GI vet from The Vietnam war or something? I suspect the only “Nam” you ever been to is Twicke Nam! Yet again though you have proved beyond any doubt that there is still a secret Bell End Society amongst us truckers of which i’m sure you are President
There’s no connection between the issues of the mistakes that the US made in wasting it’s time and efforts with getting involved with fighting the Chinese when they should have just left them all to it.
But there is a connection in the motivation that led the US government into getting around 50,000 Americans killed,in the so called American national interest,and then suddenly changed it’s mind about Chinese society after that when they saw some cheap labour opportunities.
In just the same way that our government wasted a fortune in facing down the Warsaw Pact lot only to then let them sponge off us,directly by EU economic development aid,and indirectly by the cheap labour advantages provided by the lower wage expectations of their backward economies.
So the cold war is over Russia has gone home and Poland etc have finally got their countries back,which is what they say they wanted.So why the zb can’t the Poles etc now use their so called better work practices and ethics to make their own counties better,by their own efforts,than Germany,at cold war 1970’s type German wages instead of coming over here getting involved with,and helping to de stabilise,the already saturated UK labour market .
A governments first responsibility is too look after the welfare of its own citizens,so when we have 2-5 milion Brits economically inactive,dole/benefits etc.how can we still be allowing/encouraging foreigners to come to this country,give them jobs and allow them to claim benefits after one year,unlike workers who’ve lived and paid in all there lives in this country,front page of the Sun yesterday???Because it suits the government/bosses,the influx means east europe hasn’t come up to our level,we’ve gone down to theirs,no room for negotiation now,if you won’t do it,there’s a horde of migrants who will,whose mentality is not to question,and will as a previous poster said,look after themselves better’i.e. once one gets in,in come their mates!As long as we continue to allow these people to come here,open doors and bend over for them,it ain’t getting any better!
Carryfast:
Or maybe it’s that now we’ve given all the commie zb’s a foot in the door they’ll just make sure that they get their lot into a position where it’s them who are doing the hiring and firing ( HR dept) and as we’ve seen the Poles etc etc are much better at looking after their national interests than the Brits are.
There you go CF, you have someone with your views to join you in your crusade against Blacks, Jews and Communists. When you get your hoods on, you can maybe whisper in daftdans ear that the new Pope is Polish.
If the KKK are so open why do they cover their heads up with a pointed Burka?
Told you enough times before I’ve got no different views to my late Dad on knowing the difference between right and wrong in just the same way that there were plenty of Southern States rednecks who fought against Hitler but who ‘also’ shared ‘some’ of the views held by those pointy hats.But just because they shared ‘some’ of their views does’nt mean that they had any connection whatsoever with ‘all’ of their extreme ideas.Which is why I and most sensible people don’t wear a KKK uniform,or a Burka , when I go out.
Carryfast:
So why the zb can’t the Poles etc now use their so called better work practices and ethics to make their own counties better,by their own efforts,than Germany,at cold war 1970’s type German wages instead of coming over here getting involved with,and helping to de stabilise,the already saturated UK labour market .
Because, maybe, the growth it’s not only about work etics and hard work, but also about some capital to begin with. And time. That’s why while Poland still notes significant economic growth and Britain is goind down now, it will still be many years before our wealth will be possible even to compare.
Because unlike you, we weren’t enjoying benefits of the free world over last half of the century, as you did. That what we wanted (independence) was finally achieved only in 1989, despite that we wanted that all the time. But Poles were good to fight for Allies, but when they weren’t needed any more, the Big Three decided their future over their heads in Yalta. In the meantime you had time and means to get out of the debts and rebuild your country which, compared to others, suffered only slightly from the war, while we had to rebuild more than 90% of the country, while still being milked by the Soviet Union.
If you refer to the history, please don’t pick only the bits which are handy to you at this very moment.
I was in the Submarine Service so five years in a cramped truck (a Daf, a 3 Series topline and the new type when they first came out) wasn’t really a problem.
It’s what most drivers do anyhow except they go home at the weekend.
British people worked in Europe long before the EU was invented and vice versa.
All this trouble has happened because the EU was so desperate for labour in the boom before the credit crunch that they let all the Emergent Nations join at once. Now times are hard and everybody is unhappy.
In fact when work dried up in DK I was the first to volunteer to go home… That and being homesick (must be getting old).
CF you’re clearly wasted as a driver and judging by your last post, your knowledge of history and politics is too great to be wasted. Seeing as you talk enough ■■■■■ to be a politician, I can see a win win situation for all of us here…
AlexWignall:
All this trouble has happened because the EU was so desperate for labour in the boom before the credit crunch that they let all the Emergent Nations join at once.
Well, it wasn’t quite like that. Please note that out off all 15 EU countries, only Britain, Ireland and Sweden welcomed Eastern European workers. The market for Poles in Germany, for example, opens next month.
AlexWignall:
All this trouble has happened because the EU was so desperate for labour in the boom before the credit crunch that they let all the Emergent Nations join at once.
Well, it wasn’t quite like that. Please note that out off all 15 EU countries, only Britain, Ireland and Sweden welcomed Eastern European workers. The market for Poles in Germany, for example, opens next month.
You still don’t seem to get it orys.Britain did’nt ‘welcome’ the east european workers it’s just that the business lot here,who stand to make a profit from cheaper labour costs,saw a business opportunity and took the cold decision just on that basis alone.It’s all far different to how the Germans (have so far) run their economy in that they are probably clever enough to know that an economy needs to be run on a far more wider basis than the simplistic Brit idea,in which the national interest and economy as a whole is sold down the river,for a short term profit for a few business owners here and is just effectively the east european states sponging off the developed western eu ones with a few people here getting rich quick by profiteering off the differences between the two types of economies.
Well my family came to Britain during the potatoe famine in Ireland, does this mean that im an Immigrant like the Poles■■?
If it is i’ll better get down to Aldi or Lidil for my supplies dressed in my sunday best shell suit
The way people rant on you would think that immigration was a new thing…
They are human beings the same as you and me just trying to make a living…irrespective of where they come from.
You’ll be saying the world recession was caused by the immigrants next…ffs
I’m sure Orys, that if the EU had just let Poland join and then after a suitable time the Baltic States and so on the impact on the rest of Europe would of been easier to manage. Especially now that there is downturn.
I understand the cost of living has gone through the roof in the Emergent Nations and people are spread out all over Europe working all hours doing crap jobs just to keep thier heads above water. That is nothing like the expirance that I had ten years ago.
I know some Polish lads who drive stacker trucks at a Factory I load at. They work hard, speak English and pay Tax but is that what they wanted to do at school? Drive a fork truck at a daft factory on the other side of Europe.
Those guys have been let down just as much as everybody else.
MrHappy:
CF you’re clearly wasted as a driver and judging by your last post, your knowledge of history and politics is too great to be wasted. Seeing as you talk enough [zb] to be a politician, I can see a win win situation for all of us here…
Depends on your definition of bs but let’s hear your version of history then as you seem to think that it reflects reality more than the facts do.
AlexWignall:
I know some Polish lads who drive stacker trucks at a Factory I load at. They work hard, speak English and pay Tax but is that what they wanted to do at school? Drive a fork truck at a daft factory on the other side of Europe.
Well, yes, but if the choice is to do the same in Poland for money which barely allow you to survive…
Those guys have been let down just as much as everybody else.
Br Al
This is true.
But there is still a group of migrants like me: i did not came here only because I was struggling in Poland. I was doing pretty well. But as the borders went open I wanted to try to see some life in some other countries, just for, call it, educational purposes… And somehow it happened that I stayed here for good.
Deepinvet:
Well my family came to Britain during the potatoe famine in Ireland, does this mean that im an Immigrant like the Poles■■?
If it is i’ll better get down to Aldi or Lidil for my supplies dressed in my sunday best shell suit
The way people rant on you would think that immigration was a new thing…
They are human beings the same as you and me just trying to make a living…irrespective of where they come from.
A lot of Irish went to America too but I don’t see the Americans now having an open door immigration policy for east european,British,or Irish,workers now.
Carryfast:
You still don’t seem to get it orys.Britain did’nt ‘welcome’ the east european workers it’s just that the business lot here,who stand to make a profit from cheaper labour costs,saw a business opportunity and took the cold decision just on that basis alone.
Well, I might not get the British politics well yet, but as far as I understend this is not a business lot, who rule this country. It’s the goverment and it’s you who voted them on power. So as from my point of view it was Britain who opened it’s borders…
is just effectively the east european states sponging off the developed western eu ones with a few people here getting rich quick by profiteering off the differences between the two types of economies.
Well, Germany are crying for Polish workers already, they even offered special program for a school leavers - free language course, then work placement in Germany and then work guaranted… But Poles are not as interested as they would like them to…
But this proves one point: this is not East sponging west. Both sides need each other: we need you, because our countries are still underdevelopped. You need us, because you can’t find enough cheap workforce to keep your live on the level you are used to. Especially that many local people are not interested with the work done by the Eastern Europeans - like farm jobs or crap factory work.
You don’t come across as stir crazy! 
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