How Close Has It Come

[the_nodding_donkey]

robroy:

Norfolkinclue1:

Winseer:
It is the government’s reaction that is the con…

Wouldn’t a truly scared government had at very least locked down the BORDERS before thinking about putting us all out of work?

Instead we still have open borders, and we’re told to stay at home and wait for doomsday, whilst people repatriating - come home, and bring ever more disease back with them, including secondaries that can easily be palmed off as “Coronavirus deaths”…

The public are easily buying the current pack of lies being circulated - so why not go the whole hog, and ram the rest of the bull down our throat whilst they are at it?

Our borders should have been cut off at the knees at any time between December and now - Better late than never.

That it STILL has yet to be done - exposes that the establishment are not the ones worried about Coronavirus - that’s the problem of those who have now and already been disenfranchised by the side effects of locking down the economy without locking down the actual spreaders of the disease…

At the end of all this - when we’re all offered the “Green new deal” - it will look like a step UP from where we have got down to by that point…
Makes the whole damned green argument - rather more palatable - don’t it?
THAT would be the “Conspiracy”…

Meanwhile, Putin announces a cut to Oil productions, and the markets are now totally flying on the back of it…
Full recovery for the rich - leaving us who’ve already been kicked into the gutter IN that gutter.
Great!

I’m starting to think that it would have been better to have elected Corbyn to crush our economy instead, since at least his version would have sent rich people into exile, and devalued our currency to such an extent that all our debts got wiped out…

What a con! Vote Conservative to get a “least worst form of Brexit, and a least worst PM”
What do we get? A much WORSE version of crushing the economy that we got scared off voting Labour to avoid!
At the next election - the main two parties have both had their chances…
I reckon we should vote a parliament full of Left and Right wingers with absolutely no one in between… NOT this Boris Johnson who gets elected on a right-wing ticket only to shift sharply back to the center the monent he’s in office FFS… A parliament with Communist party, UKIP, Brexit Party, and even types like Robinson as “Independents” - looks decidedly better than what we’ve been shoehorned into right now - don’t it?

Parliament - ALL of them - KNEW - and that’s why they called the bloody election for December rather than wait until now for it!!

THAT is the “Conspiracy” !

FYI your comment regarding Eddie Large, every single news outlet I have read today, every media link that mentioned his passing all made it very clear he was in hospital due to heart failure. God only knows where you think this stuff up, but you opening paragraph of your previous post was utter manure, I tend to treat the rest with a similar view.

You’re better than me mate, … I normally only get through halfway first paragraph of any of his [zb] long winded posts,…and only then when I can be arsed to bother .

I’ve said this before. Winseer often makes a salient point, and then continues to ruin his post (and original discussion point) with a diatribe of waffle.

I think that theres more to this than just a simple virus. Wether that is a full blown Bio attack by the resurgent Red Army, or an attempt by the Illuminati to take us all back to 1836, or even aliens, I do not know.

What I do know, is that you can find any set of statistics, or any accredited scientist and commentator, to back up your own views. Every news source has an agenda. There is now so much information available, most of it unverifiable, that it’s impossible for somebody with an open mind, to find out what the truth is.

Despite my other half being very I’ll, and having had cause to have several health care visits, and a hospital visit, recently, I’m not convinced that it’s this virus. It is more likely her other health issues that are now gathered together under “the virus”… I’m sure that if she passes in the next few weeks, she’ll be classed as a Corona statistic, despite the fact that a month or two ago, she would have “finally lost her long battle with…”

[carryfast]

Dipper_Dave:
My view is that it’s one of many virus’s that have made a species jump

Oh wait but conveniently no sign of it transmitting from humans back to animals.To the point where my question regarding why aren’t pets catching it from humans then transmitting it back to humans went along the lines pets can be carriers but the virus doesn’t harm them.Then when asked if they are carriers then why can’t they still transmit it to humans like bats supposedly can the answer was that the virus isn’t able to trasmit into their cells and so don’t actually act as hosts to the virus at all.They couldn’t make it up.
It’s a zoonotic ‘based’ virus which is what creates the immune rejection response in the form of cytokine storm rather than anti body response but everything from that point is all obviously human specific in terms of its contagion/transmission.

youtube.com/watch/?v=3DAI3c9wE0Q

nhpolitician.com/2005-china- … -invasion/

londonlovesbusiness.com/scienti … wuhan-lab/

The posted comments reputedly from front line medical staff sounds as expected of a bioweapon release to me and certainly doesn’t fit Harry’s script for example.Or the bs that Charles got over a few sniffles in a week or so.
If this had happened on Kennedy’s watch much of China would now be an irradiated smoking pile of rubble and its navy sitting on the bottom of the Pacific.Probably followed by the question let’s have one more quick look at Haotian’s statement again just to make sure we got this right.

[winseer]

…Note that you miopic mainsteam people gloss over the bits where I have put my finger on something… and yet linger on reading until you can find something to criticize me for…
That’s a “Momentum-style” thing, in my experience. The Democrats have been doing it to Trump meanwhile. I’m sick to death of “Office Politics” and this need for such hostility to fellow posters.

If you don’t like what I’m posting - either ignore me altogether, or put up a counter-argument/case

Mainstream News - has been busy telling us of those reasonably famous people that are dying - without telling us that they were ill beforehand beforehand
So… When it is announced for instance, that Eddie Large has died in Hospital with Coronavirus finishing him off" - people don’t read down any further, just like you people say you don’t read further on my posts with the deception being rammed home simply because a lot of people don’t read past the deceptive headlines on say, Yahoo front page, full of their Leftie critiques of Boris Johnson, Trump, and other world leaders of the Right in all cases.

Who’s the next “famous person to die”?

I strongly suggest that it will NOT be a “Celebrity that has announced they have Coronavirus”…
…But it WILL be someone who may well be famous - but was simply not talked about in the run-up to their imminent death - only afterwoulds.

All designed to keep us all scared, just like we all forgot about being one of “Maggies Millions” back in the early 80’s with the “four minute warning” scares that we got force-fed by the media at THAT time.
The only thing I’m scared of right now - is Reason giving way to Mass Hysteria over this entire “Crisis”, Conspiracy or not - which puts ALL our livlihoods at risk now. NOT our very lives - just our future prosperity.

Put it another way: Those of us that survive - will eventually end up being better off IF we didn’t lose everything during the crisis. That’ll be more of us than not.

This ongoing “Crisis” is already killing people - and it has nothing to do with “Disease” at ALL.
Bugger the so-called “Disease Risk” - I’m worried ONLY about what someone else will do to harm me and my family as a knee-jerk reaction to this opportunity that the lock-down gives them, the malignant establishment “jobsworths” - to totally go out of their way to ruin other people’s lives.

[norfolkinclue1]

Winseer, with the greatest of respect, you have absolutely utterly and completely no ■■■■■■■ idea whatsoever of what’s going on.
It’s merely another “event” that gives you an opportunity to spout your view of the world.

You are so far off the mark it’s frightening.

It’s noted that you’ve not managed to even explain your claim about the celebrity death, your silence (ignorance) is truly deafening. Please post the links you have read that did not mention the heart condition, or, if you cannot then you’re a fantasist and a liar.

Keep going with your ridiculous theories by all means, everyone has a right to an opinion, but, any decent human being would perhaps leave the autopsy until after the event and bear in mind that some of us have to deal with actual events in real time.

You, Carryfast and a few others should be, in my opinion, utterly and completely ■■■■■■■ ashamed of yourselves.

[carryfast]

Winseer:
Bugger the so-called “Disease Risk” - I’m worried ONLY about what someone else will do to harm me and my family as a knee-jerk reaction to this opportunity that the lock-down gives them, the malignant establishment “jobsworths” - to totally go out of their way to ruin other people’s lives.

Realistically if the only natural defence we’ve got is to hide indoors from it and hope we don’t catch it we’re only putting off the inevitable.

Which just leaves the question what natural virus in history ever resulted in only a 1 in 6 recovery rate and exactly what is it that the 1 in 6 have in their armoury that the other 5 don’t.

Either we get natural herd immunity to this like Measles.Or it’s apocalypse is my conclusion.

But 1 in 6 recovery/immunity ain’t going to cut it even if it was true.

‘If’ it’s the latter then we have to leave the bunker sometime and face the music.

If it’s the former then what are we ‘they’ afraid of.

[carryfast]

Winseer:
Bugger the so-called “Disease Risk” - I’m worried ONLY about what someone else will do to harm me and my family as a knee-jerk reaction to this opportunity that the lock-down gives them, the malignant establishment “jobsworths” - to totally go out of their way to ruin other people’s lives.

Realistically if the only natural defence we’ve got is to hide indoors from it and hope we don’t catch it we’re only putting off the inevitable.

Which just leaves the question what natural virus in history ever resulted in only a 1 in 6 recovery rate and exactly what is it that the 1 in 6 have in their armoury that the other 5 don’t.

Either we get natural herd immunity to this like Measles.Or it’s apocalypse is my conclusion.

But 1 in 6 recovery/immunity ain’t going to cut it even if it was true.

‘If’ it’s the latter then we have to leave the bunker sometime and face the music.

If it’s the former then what are we ‘they’ afraid of.

[gillberry]

Boredom of being at home before my shift starts Saturday and reading all these comments there are some interesting points raised .
In 1918 on a small farm in America a young lad picked up a virus relating to bird fu . He went to training camp with other young men called up for the Great War and the virus spread , because of the Great War the priority was getting troops to Europe so the virus was glossed over . This virus on reaching Europe spread like wildfire through malnourished troops and was then taken home by troops on leave . During the remainder of the war information about the virus was suppressed which is why when the Spanish press reported on the deaths in their country it became known as Spanish flu . This virus took many millions of lives as the healthcare we have today was unknown then , it also came back within a year to take more lives . The science that is applying to the current outbreak is formulated from the research done on the Spanish flu .
Those of you with time on your hands could do no worse than watch the bbc documentary about the 1918 Spanish flu outbreak as it explains a lot that applies to the current outbreak bearing in mind this was filmed in 2018 .
Not all the facts are out there but what facts there are tell us what is happening ad how best to deal with what’s going on rather than arguing and scaremongering.
Sorry for the long post , I’m not trying to create arguments but watching said documentary or reading as many facts as you can about the 1918 epidemic explains a lot of what is happening now .

[carryfast]

Norfolkinclue1:
You, Carryfast and a few others should be, in my opinion, utterly and completely [zb] ashamed of yourselves.

Why just for asking a few questions.The figures don’t add up nor does the government’s script of we create natural immunity when it suits it.But bunker mentality of let’s run and hide from it when it doesn’t.So what’s your problem with that.

Also if it looks like a Chi Com WMD release following a clear statement of intent previously in that regard then, why would I want to sit back and say oh dear zb happens we can still be friends with em.Don’t even think about retaliating.

As for Winseer I lost his plot ages ago I haven’t got a bleedin clue what point he’s trying to make.

[carryfast]

Gillberry:
Boredom of being at home before my shift starts Saturday and reading all these comments there are some interesting points raised .
In 1918 on a small farm in America a young lad picked up a virus relating to bird fu . He went to training camp with other young men called up for the Great War and the virus spread , because of the Great War the priority was getting troops to Europe so the virus was glossed over . This virus on reaching Europe spread like wildfire through malnourished troops and was then taken home by troops on leave . During the remainder of the war information about the virus was suppressed which is why when the Spanish press reported on the deaths in their country it became known as Spanish flu . This virus took many millions of lives as the healthcare we have today was unknown then , it also came back within a year to take more lives . The science that is applying to the current outbreak is formulated from the research done on the Spanish flu .
Those of you with time on your hands could do no worse than watch the bbc documentary about the 1918 Spanish flu outbreak as it explains a lot that applies to the current outbreak bearing in mind this was filmed in 2018 .
Not all the facts are out there but what facts there are tell us what is happening ad how best to deal with what’s going on rather than arguing and scaremongering.
Sorry for the long post , I’m not trying to create arguments but watching said documentary or reading as many facts as you can about the 1918 epidemic explains a lot of what is happening now .

Except in 1918 there was no such thing as bioweapons tech and certainly no ChiCom defence minister saying that he intends to use them on the west.To take over its food production capacity to feed almost 1.5 billion Chinese because they haven’t got the farmland at home to get close.

As for the BBC doesn’t want anything which might upset its CCP masters so American bird flue it is.

nationalgeographic.com/news/ … ce-health/

[wiretwister]

Winseer:
So… When it is announced for instance, that Eddie Large has died in Hospital with Coronavirus finishing him off" - people don’t read down any further, just like you people say you don’t read further on my posts with the deception being rammed home simply because a lot of people don’t read past the deceptive headlines on say, Yahoo front page, full of their Leftie critiques of Boris Johnson, Trump, and other world leaders of the Right in all cases.

Did you read past the headline? Eddie Large had a heart transplant in 2005, if memory serves correctly, and as such will have been on immune system suppressing drugs to prevent that donated organ being attacked by the new host body. That he contracted the virus in hospital shows just how dangerous these places are, at this time, for people like Eddie Large who need that regime to stop donated organs being rejected, people like my 4 year old niece who has also had a heart transplant (about 2 1/2 years ago) and will likely need another at some point in the future.

[winseer]

Norfolkinclue1:
Winseer, with the greatest of respect, you have absolutely utterly and completely no [zb] idea whatsoever of what’s going on.
It’s merely another “event” that gives you an opportunity to spout your view of the world.

You are so far off the mark it’s frightening.

It’s noted that you’ve not managed to even explain your claim about the celebrity death, your silence (ignorance) is truly deafening. Please post the links you have read that did not mention the heart condition, or, if you cannot then you’re a fantasist and a liar.

Keep going with your ridiculous theories by all means, everyone has a right to an opinion, but, any decent human being would perhaps leave the autopsy until after the event and bear in mind that some of us have to deal with actual events in real time.

You, Carryfast and a few others should be, in my opinion, utterly and completely [zb] ashamed of yourselves.

I was talking about the way headlines tell a different story to the full text if one then clicks deeper into the story…
Check this main BBC page out for example: Home - BBC News
The headline here on that very main front BBC news page linked is “Comedian Eddie Large dies with Coronavirus” with the obvious implication that such a short headline has.
“Attention Spans” and “Aversion to Clickbait” would have a lot of readers on this BBC front page - read that headline, draw a conclusion from it, and read no further.
Then on the street - all talk is of “Coronavirus claims the life of Eddie Large - Oh No - We’re all going to die of it - aren’t we? We can’t get food, we’ve all lost our jobs - there’s nothing left to live for!”
If and when people stick around to read the entire article only then does it become apparent that Eddie was already in Hospital for a coronary event…

We didn’t know of the late Eddie’s heart condition beforehand, nor that he was even in hospital… Only when he dies in hospital - do the propaganderists then thrust forward the headline that does such damage to public morale.

THAT is my argument here. The way that Human Nature itself is being routinely manipulated to make us a lot more scared than we should be.
“Small truths mixed with a pack of over-blown exaggerations”.
Sure I’m “Speculating”… .Only that this particular kind of speculation is deemed “politically incorrect” isn’t it?

How do you protect the biggest fraud, the largest pack of lies, and the biggest conspiracy in our lifetimes?
By telling even more lies, letting people die from neglect, suicide, and anything OTHER than “CoronaVirus” - and then expecting that same public to buy into the “Recovery” when it eventually comes, strangely with hardly 1% of people dead from even “rumoured” Coronavirus… No need for a “Wat Tyler” style Peasant’s revolt. No need to get the public off the “Road to Serfdom”… No need to vote for fringe parties at future general elections. All nice and neat, establishment protected, a few ordinary people thrown under the bus along the way.

The establishment is essentially saying to everyone “stick with us, lick our balls, and hope you’ll one day get a few crumbs from under our table”.

If this Kung Flu had happened a month ahead of a general election - we would no doubt be fragmenting our establishment completely, and bringing the fringes home to roost at long last - the REAL engine of the positive change we seek…
…Meanwhile, “Brexit being done completely” which would have seen the drawbridge pulled up, and the airports closed on day one of this “crisis” - still hasn’t happened, and might yet NEVER happen.
We’ve only got Boris Johnson’s word for it - that we’re leaving completely on December 31st this year, after all… Whats the betting that “this crisis will make us cancel Brexit” even now? There are enough elite idiots calling for just that - after all… Calling to cancel Brexit instead of “cancel the big lie we’re trying to live through” that Brexit could and should have been completed to prevent by this point.

Consider this: If half of us lose everything except our very lives - it won’t take much of a calling to put on that soldier’s uniform again, with “Nothing to lose” by fighting against whomever tries to stop the disenfranchised, unemployed but perfectly healthy public who have been lied to and deceived for so long.

[winseer]

There seems to be this notion that I am attempting to re-write the actual headlines here.

I don’t have to.

https://uk.search.yahoo.com/search?p=news+eddie+large&fr=yfp-search-sb

Read the search engine “results” for yourselves…

I rest my case.

I am NOT the one putting out these lying and misleading headlines - am I?

Don’t shoot the messenger. I’m merely trying to draw the reader’s attention to what others are lying about.
I don’t need to make things up, but clearly I should include more “fact check” links with all my posts.
I’ll take that on board from now on.

If I suggest something that seems outrageous - I will link to where I got that from - OK?

[carryfast]

Who was Eddie Large I’d never even heard of him ?.

[norfolkinclue1]

Carryfast:

Norfolkinclue1:
You, Carryfast and a few others should be, in my opinion, utterly and completely [zb] ashamed of yourselves.

Why just for asking a few questions.The figures don’t add up nor does the government’s script of we create natural immunity when it suits it.But bunker mentality of let’s run and hide from it when it doesn’t.So what’s your problem with that.

Also if it looks like a Chi Com WMD release following a clear statement of intent previously in that regard then, why would I want to sit back and say oh dear zb happens we can still be friends with em.Don’t even think about retaliating.

As for Winseer I lost his plot ages ago I haven’t got a bleedin clue what point he’s trying to make.

You’re not “asking a few questions” though are you

Where is the script of natural immunity?
Bunker mentality, it’s not bunker, it about control of infection rates against services available. The government has at no point suggested, as you allude to, that staying in your home will stop this, its about preventing the uncontrollable spread. No one is hiding from it, many probably have it, or have had it.

Produce some hard facts, away you go, fill your boots…

But you can’t, it’s all YouTube links ffs, links to media that back your view. You have a clear hate of China and this is playing straight into it.
Your reference about the dismissal of health workers of their accounts is nothing short of disgusting. The problem with questioning witness accounts as fake is how far do you want to go back…if my mate sent me an account of the suffering on the NHS frontline for you to suggest it’s fake or “propaganda” then is he a government plant? Is his family fake? Is he an agent? Are his qualifications fake and therefore everyone who went to medical school with him fake, and their families?
Back up what your saying about China’s WMD’s with hard facts or you’re no better than that utter ■■■■ Blair and his lies.
Go on fella, show us what you know, show us what makes you so certain that this is a biological attack from China.

When you’ve done that, please breakdown in explicit detail how you retaliate against China and why.
Also could you explain how things are going to work out across Africa after you’ve blamed China and taken your revenge against them. All that Chinese infrastructure investment wasted so “they” can take a pot shot at the developed west?

As I said before, everyone is entitled to an opinion, sometimes however, a level of self awareness would be welcome for those who are actually both suffering and fighting this situation.
That’s why I find yours and others “input” frankly offensive.

As an aside, as someone who’s close relative, as a Doctor of Molecular Bio Physics, is currently working, in his position as a Global director of Software solutions for a Bio Med company, all the hours with his company trying to fight this, both by way of possible vaccination but also developing software aimed at modelling spread and containment. All the time he is using data given from many government administrations including China and Iran, I am very comfortable with both the official advice and my brothers.

I find your version of life, and that of Winseer plus a few others tragic, misinformed, paranoid and laughable, but that is just my little old opinion, I await your cold hard facts…I’ll pass them on

[norfolkinclue1]

Winseer:

Norfolkinclue1:
Winseer, with the greatest of respect, you have absolutely utterly and completely no [zb] idea whatsoever of what’s going on.
It’s merely another “event” that gives you an opportunity to spout your view of the world.

You are so far off the mark it’s frightening.

It’s noted that you’ve not managed to even explain your claim about the celebrity death, your silence (ignorance) is truly deafening. Please post the links you have read that did not mention the heart condition, or, if you cannot then you’re a fantasist and a liar.

Keep going with your ridiculous theories by all means, everyone has a right to an opinion, but, any decent human being would perhaps leave the autopsy until after the event and bear in mind that some of us have to deal with actual events in real time.

You, Carryfast and a few others should be, in my opinion, utterly and completely [zb] ashamed of yourselves.

I was talking about the way headlines tell a different story to the full text if one then clicks deeper into the story…
Check this main BBC page out for example: Home - BBC News
The headline here on that very main front BBC news page linked is “Comedian Eddie Large dies with Coronavirus” with the obvious implication that such a short headline has.
“Attention Spans” and “Aversion to Clickbait” would have a lot of readers on this BBC front page - read that headline, draw a conclusion from it, and read no further.
Then on the street - all talk is of “Coronavirus claims the life of Eddie Large - Oh No - We’re all going to die of it - aren’t we? We can’t get food, we’ve all lost our jobs - there’s nothing left to live for!”
If and when people stick around to read the entire article only then does it become apparent that Eddie was already in Hospital for a coronary event…

We didn’t know of the late Eddie’s heart condition beforehand, nor that he was even in hospital… Only when he dies in hospital - do the propaganderists then thrust forward the headline that does such damage to public morale.

THAT is my argument here. The way that Human Nature itself is being routinely manipulated to make us a lot more scared than we should be.
“Small truths mixed with a pack of over-blown exaggerations”.
Sure I’m “Speculating”… .Only that this particular kind of speculation is deemed “politically incorrect” isn’t it?

How do you protect the biggest fraud, the largest pack of lies, and the biggest conspiracy in our lifetimes?
By telling even more lies, letting people die from neglect, suicide, and anything OTHER than “CoronaVirus” - and then expecting that same public to buy into the “Recovery” when it eventually comes, strangely with hardly 1% of people dead from even “rumoured” Coronavirus… No need for a “Wat Tyler” style Peasant’s revolt. No need to get the public off the “Road to Serfdom”… No need to vote for fringe parties at future general elections. All nice and neat, establishment protected, a few ordinary people thrown under the bus along the way.

The establishment is essentially saying to everyone “stick with us, lick our balls, and hope you’ll one day get a few crumbs from under our table”.

If this Kung Flu had happened a month ahead of a general election - we would no doubt be fragmenting our establishment completely, and bringing the fringes home to roost at long last - the REAL engine of the positive change we seek…
…Meanwhile, “Brexit being done completely” which would have seen the drawbridge pulled up, and the airports closed on day one of this “crisis” - still hasn’t happened, and might yet NEVER happen.
We’ve only got Boris Johnson’s word for it - that we’re leaving completely on December 31st this year, after all… Whats the betting that “this crisis will make us cancel Brexit” even now? There are enough elite idiots calling for just that - after all… Calling to cancel Brexit instead of “cancel the big lie we’re trying to live through” that Brexit could and should have been completed to prevent by this point.

Consider this: If half of us lose everything except our very lives - it won’t take much of a calling to put on that soldier’s uniform again, with “Nothing to lose” by fighting against whomever tries to stop the disenfranchised, unemployed but perfectly healthy public who have been lied to and deceived for so long.

You’re an utter loon.
Good luck in your bitter world.

What the hell are you on about when it comes to headlines versus content, the key factor is content. The headline draws you to the content, he died from Coronavirus and underlying heart conditions, the only way you come close to a “fact” or your “truth” is if there was no mention of his condition, it’s there in black and white, and on the photo captions.
If you think this is fake then crack on.
Prove to me it’s lies and why, prove the fraud and why.
Go on you seem to be confident of your assertions, explain to me in great detail how countries around the world are in on this Government con. Show me the documents.

You misrepresented the death of a celebrity and it’s reporting to try and justify your point. I suggest you read what you’ve written whilst you froth away.

I find your tone, content and intention utterly disgusting, to me, your nothing more and no better than a Holocaust denier. You’re deluded vile scum…

[winseer]

People are only threatening - when threatened.

I’m no different.

A few weeks ago, I expected to be living the life of reily by this point, but I’ve had the rug pulled from under me.
It was a choice of “letting off steam/venting my spleen” or “going quietly into the night” on such an unnecessary and unfair stitch-up.

Frankly, I am amazed that there are not a whole lot of OTHER people out there right now right royally ■■■■■■ off from what our so-called “Authorities” have just done to them:
FFS Even Remainers are starting to look like they had a fair argument these days, since wasn’t the mainstay of their opposition to Brexit - all about “The damage it would rather than ‘could’ do to the economy?”
…And here we are, Brexit still not done (we’re still paying money to the EU, and we’ve still got open borders), whilst the maximum downside of the very hardest of Brexits - gets force-fed to us as we speak. Go figure!

The only ones that appear to be “gaining” - are the Greens - since “economy down by 80%” now looks 20 times better than “economy down by 99%” which is closer than it has been since the Great Depression at this point - and we’re only days into this lockdown as of yet!!

Coronavirus: Lockdown prompts clear fall in UK air pollution

[good_friend]

How did we move on to Brexit from chat about the virus? I must have missed that bit

In 2018 there were figures bandied about regarding the drop in birth rate in England and Wales. The figure for the whole year was 657,076 so just over 1,800 a day.

Overall death rate was 541,589 (1,483 a day)

I can’t believe that making people panic is acheiving anything. All you can do is your best to keep yourself and your loved ones safe but the overall fact must be that it comes to all of us in the end, whatever the cause may be.

[winseer]

Norfolkinclue1:
You’re an utter loon.
Good luck in your bitter world.

What the hell are you on about when it comes to headlines versus content, the key factor is content. The headline draws you to the content, he died from Coronavirus and underlying heart conditions, the only way you come close to a “fact” or your “truth” is if there was no mention of his condition, it’s there in black and white, and on the photo captions.
If you think this is fake then crack on.
Prove to me it’s lies and why, prove the fraud and why.
Go on you seem to be confident of your assertions, explain to me in great detail how countries around the world are in on this Government con. Show me the documents.

You misrepresented the death of a celebrity and it’s reporting to try and justify your point. I suggest you read what you’ve written whilst you froth away.

I find your tone, content and intention utterly disgusting, to me, your nothing more and no better than a Holocaust denier. You’re deluded vile scum…

The “Fraud” is that we’re on lockdown which is by far the biggest over-reaction to anything this side of WWII.
If the government wanted to “throw the kitchen sink” at dealing with a pathogen danger as big as they are saying it is - then why do we have to destroy our economy FIRST, before closing our borders, naming infected inviduduals so they get locked down instead of the rest of us, commandeering the manufacture of critically needed kit straight away, and isolating this country from outside, rather than ourselves from outside our own homes…? I have merely written a post stating that I don’t like the way that “headlines” don’t seem to relate to the actual article within them. If we all end up “headline-led” because we don’t have the time nor inclination to read deeply into all and any “articles” - then it is easy to jump to the wrong conclusions about ANY subject being spoken of, and it is the nasty way the narrative has used the death of a respected comedian in such an outright political and misleading way - that I am objecting to here. I repeat am NOT the one “misrepresenting” ANYTHING here. I am merely showing everyone the HEADLINES that tell a different story to the actual content of headlined article. That’s it.

That the Headline implies a different content-of-article to those many many people who’ll just see that headline on a main webpage or newspaper without reading further for whatever reason - is the trickle-trickle brainwashing technique that monsters like Rudolf Hess would have been proud of - and you fly off your handle and call ME “monster” for bringing attention to these misdemeanors that are not my own??

FFS your argument is like calling Frank Capra a monster for filming the truly horrific events of the holocaust… God knows where you get any argument from that I am some “Holocaust Denier”…
Are you not offended in the slightest by having your livlihood taken away based on an exaggeration as to how dangerous Covid-19 really is?
I never suggested “it doesn’t exist” - I merely think we should put it in perspective - it imo is no more dangerous than “Bronchitus” or “Pneumonia” or “Emphyzema” - all killers of not just the elderly - but younger people too after all.

THIS link shows the UK to have 23.01 deaths per 100,000 population - from influenza and pneumonia combined.

INFLUENZA AND PNEUMONIA DEATH RATE BY COUNTRY

That means if our population can be estimated at 70,000,000 at this time, we get 16,107 deaths - over a period of what? A year? that’s around 310 per week - about where we are right now with Coronavirus for the UK, albeit likely to be out-of-date pretty soon due to the steep upward curve in play here…

THIS article states that the number of world cases now exceeds a million, with over 51000 deaths already.

Coronavirus: Confirmed global cases pass one million

This is alarming if accurate, as it implies not 1-2% attrition rate but over 5%… IF we’re getting the full stats, where we for instance “don’t put people on the infected list until they are very seriously ill indeed”…
People would not be alarmed if the number of cases were much higher - but so was the recovery rate - right?
If the number of cases were 5,000,000 instead of 1,000,000 and we had 51,000 deaths to date - we would be a lot less concerned - right?

The “Fraud” of which I speak - includes “leaving people likely to recover - off the list” and of course “making sure that those about to die - are most definitely ON the death stats”.
The evidence of this cross-data being massaged is quite simply the deviation between “number reported to have it” and “number likely to recover” which has strangely been rather scant on the “So.and.so has it.” - only to then die if no one has ever heard of them beforehand, and miraculously survive - if everyone HAS heard of them beforehand. A simple, but rather odd observation…
Then we had today’s article about Eddie Large where the headline makes no mention of “Heart Condition” until deeper into the article. Anyone searching for an article about same on the web https://uk.search.yahoo.com/search?p=eddie+large+news&fr=yfp-search-sb - sees a whole bunch of headlines as per my link above “Mentioning Coronavirus” but NOT mentioning that poor old ed was already in hospital having suffered a coronary event that he was odds-against to survive.

The “Fraud” in summary - is the massaging of the data to make just about any form of “natural cause death” of late - and spin it into a candidate for “A recorded Coronavirus-related death”.
That is a very serious fraud - more dangerous to the general public than your ludicrious off-at-tangent slant about “Holocaust Denial”… or Frank Capra’s movies that brought the real holocaust to the attention of the general public.

All sorts of nasty things can be done to people, good things taken away from people (including “Liberty”) and without complaint if you big-up a lie enough that suggest we are more likely to die of something that was already in the background killing us - than everyday REAL dangerous killers such as kill our elderly folk, routinely, year after year - and normally only get referred to as “Natural Causes”…

It also doesn’t help that any move to “find out who is infected in your local community” has been stonewalled. No testing kits, defective ones if you can get hold of one, and a news blackout on who’s most likely to infect you in your immediate area… High profile people can afford to self-isolate - but how many ordinary members of the public are currently hiding their illness, or are simply unaware they are carrying it?

The entire “lockdown” seems to be both ineffective, and overly damaging to the economy, with knock-on deadly effects such as an increase in suicides due to the mental stress of losing one’s livlihood…
A big price to pay if the disease was rather less likely to kill you than you were led to believe - huh?

I’m trying to increase awareness here - not attack anyone, nor “get anyone into trouble”…
Are we not all sick of casually being told “You can’t handle the truth!” when digging - not for ‘dirt’ but for simple reasons why we must suffer so much in the name of a bigged-up media event that permits a HUGE power-grab by those already in authority/in positions of unassailable wealth…?

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Norfolkinclue1:
You’re not “asking a few questions” though are you

Where is the script of natural immunity?
Bunker mentality, it’s not bunker, it about control of infection rates against services available. The government has at no point suggested, as you allude to, that staying in your home will stop this, its about preventing the uncontrollable spread. No one is hiding from it, many probably have it, or have had it.

Produce some hard facts, away you go, fill your boots…

But you can’t, it’s all YouTube links ffs, links to media that back your view. You have a clear hate of China and this is playing straight into it.
Your reference about the dismissal of health workers of their accounts is nothing short of disgusting. The problem with questioning witness accounts as fake is how far do you want to go back…if my mate sent me an account of the suffering on the NHS frontline for you to suggest it’s fake or “propaganda” then is he a government plant? Is his family fake? Is he an agent? Are his qualifications fake and therefore everyone who went to medical school with him fake, and their families?
Back up what your saying about China’s WMD’s with hard facts or you’re no better than that utter [zb] Blair and his lies.
Go on fella, show us what you know, show us what makes you so certain that this is a biological attack from China.

When you’ve done that, please breakdown in explicit detail how you retaliate against China and why.
Also could you explain how things are going to work out across Africa after you’ve blamed China and taken your revenge against them. All that Chinese infrastructure investment wasted so “they” can take a pot shot at the developed west?

As I said before, everyone is entitled to an opinion, sometimes however, a level of self awareness would be welcome for those who are actually both suffering and fighting this situation.
That’s why I find yours and others “input” frankly offensive.

As an aside, as someone who’s close relative, as a Doctor of Molecular Bio Physics, is currently working, in his position as a Global director of Software solutions for a Bio Med company, all the hours with his company trying to fight this, both by way of possible vaccination but also developing software aimed at modelling spread and containment. All the time he is using data given from many government administrations including China and Iran, I am very comfortable with both the official advice and my brothers.

I find your version of life, and that of Winseer plus a few others tragic, misinformed, paranoid and laughable, but that is just my little old opinion, I await your cold hard facts…I’ll pass them on

nationalgeographic.co.uk/sci … ly-need-it

Feel free to explain how there’s any possibility of herd immunity or even any immunity.Here’s a clue UK total cases 33,718.
New cases 4,244
New deaths 569
Serious Critical 163
Total ‘recovered’ 135.
2,921 dead.

worldometers.info/coronavirus

It’s clear the idea of natural immunity to this thing is total unadulterated bs as I said just being put out there in the minimum way possible to maintain the lie and to maintain order.In this case the figure I gave actually being way understated with recoveries running way behind deaths, new deaths, let alone cases and new cases.Might as well tell the truth and call it zero recovery/immunity.

nhpolitician.com/2005-china- … /invasion/

There’s nothing as brainwashed as a zb ChiCom apologist or supporter.So you support what he said and dismiss that evidence, like all the rest there, because it doesn’t suit your obvious political leanings.It’s not my hatred of China which is the problem here it’s your obvious love of the CCP and if the government tells you something you believe it to the letter.

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