How Close Has It Come

[jimmy_mcnulty]

They are building temporary hospitals and morgues

Funeral plans are cancelled and cremations are closed procedures, the ashes to be sent to the familys door

Serious operations are being cancelled, cancer patients requiring surgery to keep them alive are being postponed and the NHS and the prison service and all related are beginning to consider who they prioritize and who gets left to die.

We are a week or two from the peak.

It’s real, very real - to ignore it on the basis that John in the Daily Star that died from it had bad Aids and cancer twice and smoked 160 a day is a little bit naive

[yorkielad]

Listened to a doctor/professor on the radio tonight answering questions on Covid19,he was explaining where it originated e.t.c.
In 2002/2003 the SARS outbreak was identified as starting in a wet market in China making the leap from a bat to a cat then to a human,Same thing is believed to have happened this time,it was warned after the outbreak of SARS that this could happen again,having live animals together that wouldn’t normally come together has caused the same thing to happen originating in the same country in the same conditions as last time…

[franglais]

Harry Monk:

Franglais:
SWPRS?
No thank you.

How about Statista?

statista.com/statistics/110 … -in-italy/

OK. Statista I’m happy with.
Looking at the figures it seems to me that yes, older and those with underlying conditions, (including those with conditions they were unaware of) are more likely to die of COVID 19. I agreed that earlier.
I still dispute your use of “Almost exclusively…” . But since that isn’t a phrase with a precise meaning, I guess that’s all down to ‘artistic interpretation’ or whatever.
Not a phrase I’d use here, but you have every right go do so.
Older and sicker people who get the bug, will get it worse. Absolutely.

[carryfast]

Franglais:
Try this.
Do nothing: COVID 19 could take out 1%, that’s over 500,000.
Lock down about 20,000 deaths?
.
Still trying to get a handle on the numbers? 500,000 is more than the total number of combined military and civilian war deaths in the UK and Crown Colonies from the whole of the 1939-1945.
Do nowt, and all the WW2 deaths concentrated in about a year.

If we supposedly get natural immunity on exposure ( supposedly like Charles ) then why are we trying to avoid exposure at all costs.Also why are known recoveries running at only 1 in 6 of known cases when we need 80% + to claim natural immunity.We didn’t try to hide from Measles,in fact the opposite herd immunity sooner rather than later by community spread, so why this.

How do you explain the low recovery figure.When it would be expected to be either zero or the 80% + it’s unusual/impossible to have only 1/6th of the population able to produce anti bodies to a virus.We either do or we don’t with a just few exception hence 80% + of the population to get herd immunity and we won’t get 80% + without showing that pro rata v the case numbers.

It’s either a fake virus with an equally fake recovery figure to maintain project fear.

Or it’s a bioweapon with zero recovery by anti bodies but made out to be recoverable using a bs figure to maintain public order regarding what they know is a Titanic type situation ( the abysmal if not non existent recovery/natural immunity ) figures v case numbers say we will inevitably sink as cases accelerate ).Bearing in mind we can’t sustain a lock down indefinitely.As soon as it’s lifted we go back to the same increase in cases v recoveries.

Also the government having already implemented a massive delegation of authority to local councils and police are the same protocols as were stated for a strategic nuclear attack.

My view is a bioweapon release damned by their own words previously in that regard and we should respond against China accordingly and ask questions after.

[bobbya]

Carryfast:

Franglais:
Try this.
Do nothing: COVID 19 could take out 1%, that’s over 500,000.
Lock down about 20,000 deaths?
.
Still trying to get a handle on the numbers? 500,000 is more than the total number of combined military and civilian war deaths in the UK and Crown Colonies from the whole of the 1939-1945.
Do nowt, and all the WW2 deaths concentrated in about a year.

If we supposedly get natural immunity on exposure ( supposedly like Charles ) then why are we trying to avoid exposure at all costs.Also why are known recoveries running at only 1 in 6 of known cases when we need 80% + to claim natural immunity.We didn’t try to hide from Measles,in fact the opposite herd immunity sooner rather than later by community spread, so why this.

How do you explain the low recovery figure.When it would be expected to be either zero or the 80% + it’s unusual/impossible to have only 1/6th of the population able to produce anti bodies to a virus.We either do or we don’t with a just few exception hence 80% + of the population to get herd immunity and we won’t get 80% + without showing that pro rata v the case numbers.

It’s either a fake virus with an equally fake recovery figure to maintain project fear.

Or it’s a bioweapon with zero recovery by anti bodies but made out to be recoverable using a bs figure to maintain public order regarding what they know is a Titanic type situation ( the abysmal if not non existent recovery/natural immunity ) figures v case numbers say we will inevitably sink as cases accelerate ).Bearing in mind we can’t sustain a lock down indefinitely.As soon as it’s lifted we go back to the same increase in cases v recoveries.

Also the government having already implemented a massive delegation of authority to local councils and police are the same protocols as were stated for a strategic nuclear attack.

My view is a bioweapon release damned by their own words previously in that regard and we should respond against China accordingly and ask questions after.

This is more like the truth.

[albion]

Harry Monk:

albion:
Looking at the pictures and death rates coming out of Italy and Spain and I am taking it seriously.

Friends brother in law died, 60, no underlying health conditions.

There is no doubt a very nasty virus going around, and there are no doubt a considerable number of fatalities, although with a few exceptions these have almost exclusively been among those who were near the end of their natural lifespan or who had serious underlying health issues.

That’s not to say that it isn’t sad for those affected but with the inevitable near-destruction of the economy caused by the shutdown and the equally enormous societal problems we will have to face, possibly for generations as a result, I really do think we are seriously in contravention of the ancient truism “Burn not your house to fright the mouse away”.

You might well be right Harry, above my pay grade. I was talking about my personal perspective. I decided to reduce going out etc before the lockdown instructions. I’m lucky that I can do that.

It would be interesting to see what would gave happened if the government had said carry on going out shopping, the pub etc. I suspect that 1. the government would have been given grief for not taking it seriously and 2. the NHS couldnt cope at all and we would hear of people dying in ambulances and corridors.

The outcry would be never ending …

I’m glad I dont have to make any decisions.

[dozy]

3 wheeler:

dozy:
Spent most of the week coughing , had the [zb] , but have been frozen not hot , but not really felt ill , afaik no-one in Grantham has been diagnosed with it so not sure as my Mrs
Believes how I’d of got it , unless it was from week before I packed up
Other than that no no-0ne with it
Nb daughter is nurse & there are wards with folks with covid dieing at her hospital ,
I’m guessing that’s big3 angle , is this really as bad as there making out , in mine & my Mrs isolated ( well mostly ) world no
Talk to daughter , it’s real & no joke , people are dieing of it

You are not correct Pal, the guy who owns the hot tub place at Gonerby moor has died and there 133 in Lincolnshire been tested positive

Bloody hell didn’t know that , maybe the mrs was right , I just put it down as bug

[franglais]

Carryfast:

Franglais:
Try this.
Do nothing: COVID 19 could take out 1%, that’s over 500,000.
Lock down about 20,000 deaths?
.
Still trying to get a handle on the numbers? 500,000 is more than the total number of combined military and civilian war deaths in the UK and Crown Colonies from the whole of the 1939-1945.
Do nowt, and all the WW2 deaths concentrated in about a year.

If we supposedly get natural immunity on exposure ( supposedly like Charles ) then why are we trying to avoid exposure at all costs.Also why are known recoveries running at only 1 in 6 of known cases when we need 80% + to claim natural immunity.We didn’t try to hide from Measles,in fact the opposite herd immunity sooner rather than later by community spread, so why this.

How do you explain the low recovery figure.When it would be expected to be either zero or the 80% + it’s unusual/impossible to have only 1/6th of the population able to produce anti bodies to a virus.We either do or we don’t with a just few exception hence 80% + of the population to get herd immunity and we won’t get 80% + without showing that pro rata v the case numbers.

It’s either a fake virus with an equally fake recovery figure to maintain project fear.

Or it’s a bioweapon with zero recovery by anti bodies but made out to be recoverable using a bs figure to maintain public order regarding what they know is a Titanic type situation ( the abysmal if not non existent recovery/natural immunity ) figures v case numbers say we will inevitably sink as cases accelerate ).Bearing in mind we can’t sustain a lock down indefinitely.As soon as it’s lifted we go back to the same increase in cases v recoveries.

Also the government having already implemented a massive delegation of authority to local councils and police are the same protocols as were stated for a strategic nuclear attack.

My view is a bioweapon release damned by their own words previously in that regard and we should respond against China accordingly and ask questions after.

There is so much here, that is so confused or plain wrong.
.
In the UK there were over 1,400 deaths from measles. It also causes meningitis causing permanent brain damage, and ear infections that can lead to deafness.
When ignored it isn’t a few red spots and a bit of a minor inconvenience.
.
Cue those who misunderstand words such as “can”, “could”, “might” , etc…
.
The successful programme of vaccination has been it’s own worst* enemy. Because we don’t see examples of harm from this disease in our own circles, It is too easy to ignore it.
.
.

• apart from the ex-doctor Andrew Wakefield of course.

Edit Whoops those deaths were in one year, 1940. Just s typo by me, not a conspiracy!

[dipper_dave]

Carryfast:
My view is a bioweapon release damned by their own words previously in that regard and we should respond against China accordingly and ask questions after.

It’s an interesting view and not one I can discount totally.

My view is that it’s one of many virus’s that have made a species jump not the first not the last and by no means the worst.

It’s about time more people awaken to the theory (or fact depending on hysteria level) that the survival of the human race is not only dependent on how we treat the planet but how we co-excist with those we share it with…

Omg I’m channeling Greta

[franglais]

Dipper_Dave:

Carryfast:
My view is a bioweapon release damned by their own words previously in that regard and we should respond against China accordingly and ask questions after.

It’s an interesting view and not one I can discount totally.

My view is that it’s one of many virus’s that have made a species jump not the first not the last and by no means the worst.

It’s about time more people awaken to the theory (or fact depending on hysteria level) that the survival of the human race is not only dependent on how we treat the planet but how we co-excist with those we share it with…

Omg I’m channeling Greta

All of that, plus,
It seems highly likely that we exist in a quantum universe…
Or in layman’s terms
“Stuff happens.” Get used to it.

[dieseldog999]

Yorkielad:
Listened to a doctor/professor on the radio tonight answering questions on Covid19,he was explaining where it originated e.t.c.
In 2002/2003 the SARS outbreak was identified as starting in a wet market in China making the leap from a bat to a cat then to a human,Same thing is believed to have happened this time,it was warned after the outbreak of SARS that this could happen again,having live animals together that wouldn’t normally come together has caused the same thing to happen originating in the same country in the same conditions as last time…

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
looks like itl be third time lucky for some as its back to business as usual.

redstate.com/bonchie/2020/0 … -outbreak/

[winseer]

Jimmy McNulty:
They are building temporary hospitals and morgues

Funeral plans are cancelled and cremations are closed procedures, the ashes to be sent to the familys door

Serious operations are being cancelled, cancer patients requiring surgery to keep them alive are being postponed and the NHS and the prison service and all related are beginning to consider who they prioritize and who gets left to die.

We are a week or two from the peak.

It’s real, very real - to ignore it on the basis that John in the Daily Star that died from it had bad Aids and cancer twice and smoked 160 a day is a little bit naive

We’ve yet to see a high-profile person get it in front of us, and then die from it in front of us.
I read that Eddie Large had died today, but nothing was said of the heart attack that put him in hospital beforehand, making him another “underlying medical conditions” victim at the end of the day.

We have various celebrities announcing “they have it”, plus our own heir to the throne, and prime minister…
…yet those formerly famous people that are dying - we didn’t get told beforehand in a big announcement that “they have it”…
How come? How long can these two seperate groups behaving like they are the same - continue?

“Re-lable, Mis-Lable, Distract, Distort, and wear society down with the biggest excuse for a crisis since the American establishment sent as many younger generation as possible with no jobs nor prospects to a battlefild to die on.”
I’m not convinced I’m wrong yet with regards for the way this pathogen has been stage managed through the media - from the very beginning.
We still have yet to pull up our drawbridge mandated for any time after June 23rd 2016, nor shut down our airports - which, - let’s face it - should have been done at the very latest just before we were standing six feet apart in supermarket queues.

[the-snowman]

Winseer:
Some “Uncle Albert” wisdom there.
I would draw attention to paraphrasing something more along the lines of what Stalin said…
“The numbers mean nothing. How you count those numbers - mean everything.”
"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3D_v4Q-9JcA

[sidevalve]

For the benefit of all you conspiracy theorists, and those who think it’s all a government con; this is from a mate of mine in our Harley club, who’s a nurse in a London hospital.

You can trust me when I say he’s the last bloke to make a drama out of a crisis.

This update from 30th March;

Right, dinner time.
Bare with me mad ramblings, as this is therapy for me.
Today has finally hit home how ■■■■ this is.
Its no longer just old folk, or ones with multiple problems.
Were now seeing younger folk, with no prior, being admitted.

I am now officially ■■■■ scared. You dont know who or where its going to hit next. The toll it takes on your mind is getting worse. Me mate said its a bit like when he was in northern ireland. You cant see the enemy, you dont know when, or who its going to hit next. Your frightened your going to take it home, and pass it on. Theres a few of you i know, whos wives, partners work on the ambulances, or in hospital. Look after them. Tell them you love them, as you never know if they will come home. Lifes too short for petty squables and grudges.
Make things right now, you might not get another chance.

Were now having to send 2 nurses per ward for a quick itu training course as the regular itu mob are dropping like flies.

Stay the ■■■■ in the house, as much as you can.
Write yer will, if youve owt to leave.
Ive done mine over the weekend.

Knowing my luck i will win the lottery and then cop covid.
Lifes a ■■■■■■■■

[sidevalve]

And this from yesterday…

Situation slightly worse with confirmed, but only 1 death.
One of our colleagues has just gone into ITU.
This is when it hits you, a young fit persons got it, and gone down hill rapidly. All we can do is watch and hope they get out, along with the others.

Another one of my colleagues got symptoms so weve lost them for a week at least. Were running on bare bones. Everyones knackerd due to doing extra shifts to cover.
Im glad to say all my colleagues on ward have stepped up,
And gone above and beyond. They new starters have been dropped in at the ■■■■ end, but have learned to swim pretty ■■■■ quick. Its worse for them, as they have family back in phillipines who are ill, and dont have the access to health care, that we take for granted. They cant even travel home to see them. So if you know any snowflakes that moan theres no pub, or cant go out, remind them it could be a ■■■■ site worse.

[carryfast]

albion:

Harry Monk:

albion:
Looking at the pictures and death rates coming out of Italy and Spain and I am taking it seriously.

Friends brother in law died, 60, no underlying health conditions.

There is no doubt a very nasty virus going around, and there are no doubt a considerable number of fatalities, although with a few exceptions these have almost exclusively been among those who were near the end of their natural lifespan or who had serious underlying health issues.

That’s not to say that it isn’t sad for those affected but with the inevitable near-destruction of the economy caused by the shutdown and the equally enormous societal problems we will have to face, possibly for generations as a result, I really do think we are seriously in contravention of the ancient truism “Burn not your house to fright the mouse away”.

You might well be right Harry, above my pay grade. I was talking about my personal perspective. I decided to reduce going out etc before the lockdown instructions. I’m lucky that I can do that.

It would be interesting to see what would gave happened if the government had said carry on going out shopping, the pub etc. I suspect that 1. the government would have been given grief for not taking it seriously and 2. the NHS couldnt cope at all and we would hear of people dying in ambulances and corridors.

The outcry would be never ending …

I’m glad I dont have to make any decisions.

The idea that this thing ( if its real ) only mainly takes out the old and weak while the young recover is a 2 + 2 = 5 conclusion.It’s just that the old have less tolerance to stuff gong wrong so crash sooner and easier.That’s not the same thing as saying that usually only they will crash.When it supposedly mainly kills by inducing cytokine storm killing the lungs and/or the liver and that means anyone’s lungs or liver.That’s like saying that Sepsis only mainly affects the old and/or unhealthy nothing to worry about for the young and/or healthy.

The Italian and Spanish reports say that most older deaths are the result of Triage and palliative with ICU’s being reserved for younger healthier patients.The majority of those younger and healthier on ventilators also don’t make it bearing in mind that the sedation used for it is similar to palliative terminal sedation anyway which means that you’re already effectively in an induced coma.It’s just that in that case the hope is the lungs will dry out and if there’s a cytokine storm the body will withstand it, before the drug cocktail used in the syringe driver to sedate the patient, doesn’t result in a coma which the patient isn’t going to wake up from regardless.It’s obvious that being 20 or 70 + isn’t going to make much difference to that.

So getting back to the real question here is why the abysmal impossible to believe recovery figures and what are those figures really hiding.

Ironically I’d find the possibility that they are hiding a long drawn out apocalyptic unrecoverable bioweapon escape situation easier to handle.

While the more terrifying idea, that it’s a fake false flag event, being used as a pretext for an agenda 21 type stunt, is what I call really scary.

The fact that the US hasn’t even made any links and suggestions, based on Chi Haotian’s own words in 2005, combined with the circumstancial evidence we’ve now got, of an effectively unrecoverable alien virus, originating from where China’s Porton Down happens to be, is making me now think the unthinkable 45 the latter/55 the former.

Only based on the fact that ( as yet ) there have been no forced admissions on the basis of qurantine ‘care’ of people who are walking when they go in but who will never come out.The next thing their relatives know is their incinerated remains arrive on the door step.Maybe after a ‘testing’ programme has been carried to out to provide the pretext for taking them away.You know like it’s only a shower block you need a shower.

Over to Manalishi.

[winseer]

It is the government’s reaction that is the con…

Wouldn’t a truly scared government had at very least locked down the BORDERS before thinking about putting us all out of work?

Instead we still have open borders, and we’re told to stay at home and wait for doomsday, whilst people repatriating - come home, and bring ever more disease back with them, including secondaries that can easily be palmed off as “Coronavirus deaths”…

The public are easily buying the current pack of lies being circulated - so why not go the whole hog, and ram the rest of the bull down our throat whilst they are at it?

Our borders should have been cut off at the knees at any time between December and now - Better late than never.

That it STILL has yet to be done - exposes that the establishment are not the ones worried about Coronavirus - that’s the problem of those who have now and already been disenfranchised by the side effects of locking down the economy without locking down the actual spreaders of the disease…

At the end of all this - when we’re all offered the “Green new deal” - it will look like a step UP from where we have got down to by that point…
Makes the whole damned green argument - rather more palatable - don’t it?
THAT would be the “Conspiracy”…

Meanwhile, Putin announces a cut to Oil productions, and the markets are now totally flying on the back of it…
Full recovery for the rich - leaving us who’ve already been kicked into the gutter IN that gutter.
Great!

I’m starting to think that it would have been better to have elected Corbyn to crush our economy instead, since at least his version would have sent rich people into exile, and devalued our currency to such an extent that all our debts got wiped out…

What a con! Vote Conservative to get a “least worst form of Brexit, and a least worst PM”
What do we get? A much WORSE version of crushing the economy that we got scared off voting Labour to avoid!
At the next election - the main two parties have both had their chances…
I reckon we should vote a parliament full of Left and Right wingers with absolutely no one in between… NOT this Boris Johnson who gets elected on a right-wing ticket only to shift sharply back to the center the monent he’s in office FFS… A parliament with Communist party, UKIP, Brexit Party, and even types like Robinson as “Independents” - looks decidedly better than what we’ve been shoehorned into right now - don’t it?

Parliament - ALL of them - KNEW - and that’s why they called the bloody election for December rather than wait until now for it!!

THAT is the “Conspiracy” !

[carryfast]

Franglais:

Carryfast:
If we supposedly get natural immunity on exposure ( supposedly like Charles ) then why are we trying to avoid exposure at all costs.Also why are known recoveries running at only 1 in 6 of known cases when we need 80% + to claim natural immunity.We didn’t try to hide from Measles,in fact the opposite herd immunity sooner rather than later by community spread, so why this.

How do you explain the low recovery figure.When it would be expected to be either zero or the 80% + it’s unusual/impossible to have only 1/6th of the population able to produce anti bodies to a virus.We either do or we don’t with a just few exception hence 80% + of the population to get herd immunity and we won’t get 80% + without showing that pro rata v the case numbers.

It’s either a fake virus with an equally fake recovery figure to maintain project fear.

Or it’s a bioweapon with zero recovery by anti bodies but made out to be recoverable using a bs figure to maintain public order regarding what they know is a Titanic type situation ( the abysmal if not non existent recovery/natural immunity ) figures v case numbers say we will inevitably sink as cases accelerate ).Bearing in mind we can’t sustain a lock down indefinitely.As soon as it’s lifted we go back to the same increase in cases v recoveries.

Also the government having already implemented a massive delegation of authority to local councils and police are the same protocols as were stated for a strategic nuclear attack.

My view is a bioweapon release damned by their own words previously in that regard and we should respond against China accordingly and ask questions after.

There is so much here, that is so confused or plain wrong.
.
In the UK there were over 1,400 deaths from measles. It also causes meningitis causing permanent brain damage, and ear infections that can lead to deafness.
When ignored it isn’t a few red spots and a bit of a minor inconvenience.
.
Cue those who misunderstand words such as “can”, “could”, “might” , etc…
.
The successful programme of vaccination has been it’s own worst* enemy. Because we don’t see examples of harm from this disease in our own circles, It is too easy to ignore it.
.
.

• apart from the ex-doctor Andrew Wakefield of course.

There was no measles vaccination we all got measles by all accounts although I can’t remember it I was in a very bad way with it with delirious fever.

They say if you did’nt catch it while very young it was far worse if you caught it late.My mum’s old friend actually didn’t get immunity to it the first time she caught it and she actually caught it again later she was even worse than me by all accounts with worries about septicaemia.

However before vaccination herd immunity to it was obviously the default/only option.I’ve never had a measles vaccination in my life.So which part of that don’t you understand.

What changed in this case and why from the original plan of letting herd immunity sort it to let’s run and try to hide from it.

Oh wait the idea of herd immunity won’t fit the script of enforced quarantine down the line.

Or it won’t work ‘if’ they are lying about what is really an unrecoverable bioweapon release situation.In which case obviously the bunker approach maintains public order while slowing down the apocalypse to manageable levels.

Take your pick.Whichever it is this probably ain’t going to have a happy ending the clue as I said is in the impossible recovery figures.Those figures are hiding something.

[norfolkinclue1]

Winseer:
It is the government’s reaction that is the con…

Wouldn’t a truly scared government had at very least locked down the BORDERS before thinking about putting us all out of work?

Instead we still have open borders, and we’re told to stay at home and wait for doomsday, whilst people repatriating - come home, and bring ever more disease back with them, including secondaries that can easily be palmed off as “Coronavirus deaths”…

The public are easily buying the current pack of lies being circulated - so why not go the whole hog, and ram the rest of the bull down our throat whilst they are at it?

Our borders should have been cut off at the knees at any time between December and now - Better late than never.

That it STILL has yet to be done - exposes that the establishment are not the ones worried about Coronavirus - that’s the problem of those who have now and already been disenfranchised by the side effects of locking down the economy without locking down the actual spreaders of the disease…

At the end of all this - when we’re all offered the “Green new deal” - it will look like a step UP from where we have got down to by that point…
Makes the whole damned green argument - rather more palatable - don’t it?
THAT would be the “Conspiracy”…

Meanwhile, Putin announces a cut to Oil productions, and the markets are now totally flying on the back of it…
Full recovery for the rich - leaving us who’ve already been kicked into the gutter IN that gutter.
Great!

I’m starting to think that it would have been better to have elected Corbyn to crush our economy instead, since at least his version would have sent rich people into exile, and devalued our currency to such an extent that all our debts got wiped out…

What a con! Vote Conservative to get a “least worst form of Brexit, and a least worst PM”
What do we get? A much WORSE version of crushing the economy that we got scared off voting Labour to avoid!
At the next election - the main two parties have both had their chances…
I reckon we should vote a parliament full of Left and Right wingers with absolutely no one in between… NOT this Boris Johnson who gets elected on a right-wing ticket only to shift sharply back to the center the monent he’s in office FFS… A parliament with Communist party, UKIP, Brexit Party, and even types like Robinson as “Independents” - looks decidedly better than what we’ve been shoehorned into right now - don’t it?

Parliament - ALL of them - KNEW - and that’s why they called the bloody election for December rather than wait until now for it!!

THAT is the “Conspiracy” !

FYI your comment regarding Eddie Large, every single news outlet I have read today, every media link that mentioned his passing all made it very clear he was in hospital due to heart failure. God only knows where you think this stuff up, but you opening paragraph of your previous post was utter manure, I tend to treat the rest with a similar view.
Don’t get me wrong, everyone has a right to an opinion, I just find your current posts exceptionally crass at best.

[robroy]

Norfolkinclue1:

Winseer:
It is the government’s reaction that is the con…

Wouldn’t a truly scared government had at very least locked down the BORDERS before thinking about putting us all out of work?

Instead we still have open borders, and we’re told to stay at home and wait for doomsday, whilst people repatriating - come home, and bring ever more disease back with them, including secondaries that can easily be palmed off as “Coronavirus deaths”…

The public are easily buying the current pack of lies being circulated - so why not go the whole hog, and ram the rest of the bull down our throat whilst they are at it?

Our borders should have been cut off at the knees at any time between December and now - Better late than never.

That it STILL has yet to be done - exposes that the establishment are not the ones worried about Coronavirus - that’s the problem of those who have now and already been disenfranchised by the side effects of locking down the economy without locking down the actual spreaders of the disease…

At the end of all this - when we’re all offered the “Green new deal” - it will look like a step UP from where we have got down to by that point…
Makes the whole damned green argument - rather more palatable - don’t it?
THAT would be the “Conspiracy”…

Meanwhile, Putin announces a cut to Oil productions, and the markets are now totally flying on the back of it…
Full recovery for the rich - leaving us who’ve already been kicked into the gutter IN that gutter.
Great!

I’m starting to think that it would have been better to have elected Corbyn to crush our economy instead, since at least his version would have sent rich people into exile, and devalued our currency to such an extent that all our debts got wiped out…

What a con! Vote Conservative to get a “least worst form of Brexit, and a least worst PM”
What do we get? A much WORSE version of crushing the economy that we got scared off voting Labour to avoid!
At the next election - the main two parties have both had their chances…
I reckon we should vote a parliament full of Left and Right wingers with absolutely no one in between… NOT this Boris Johnson who gets elected on a right-wing ticket only to shift sharply back to the center the monent he’s in office FFS… A parliament with Communist party, UKIP, Brexit Party, and even types like Robinson as “Independents” - looks decidedly better than what we’ve been shoehorned into right now - don’t it?

Parliament - ALL of them - KNEW - and that’s why they called the bloody election for December rather than wait until now for it!!

THAT is the “Conspiracy” !

FYI your comment regarding Eddie Large, every single news outlet I have read today, every media link that mentioned his passing all made it very clear he was in hospital due to heart failure. God only knows where you think this stuff up, but you opening paragraph of your previous post was utter manure, I tend to treat the rest with a similar view.

You’re better than me mate, … I normally only get through halfway first paragraph of any of his ■■■■ long winded posts,…and only then when I can be arsed to bother .