They eat guinea pigs in Peru,they must have small appetites. 
Carryfast:
switchlogic:
Carryfast:
switchlogic:
Ok still not getting it then. It wasn’t horse meat it was horse DNA in most cases and it wasn’t polish beef being imported it was a filler substance which makes up a large part of cheap burgers. No one buys Tesco Value burgers for the quality of the meat. Understand that now?Oh right.I get it.It’s a cheap burger that should contain a small amount of beef.In addition to which a large part of it can be made up of a ‘filler substance’.Which in this case just happened to be a ‘filler substance’ made of horse when it should have been made of ■■.
Beef.
Which,as I’ve said,we are one of the world’s best producers of.So why the need to go to Poland for so called Polish beef ‘filler’,that’s actually horse,when we’ve got plenty of ‘beef’ of our own.But maybe too many people can’t afford to buy proper burgers,made with just decent quality beef meat,instead of mostly so called ‘filler’,because British wages are being paid in worthless mickey mouse money and most of our decent beef,that could go into those so called ‘value burgers’ ( which are obviously anything but considering the accepted definition of the word ‘value’ ) is going for export.
Carryfast I know we don’t see eye to eye and I know I don’t have a high opinion of your intellegence but you’re not quite as stupid as this post makes you sound surely?
As I said it’s not me who’s lost around 60,000,000 euros worth of business because I decided to import beef filler from Poland that turned out to be horse instead of using British beef for sale in British burgers.
I suppose it all depends on your definition of stupid.But no suprise that common sense would seem stupid to a total moron.If the cap fits wear it.
Wasn’t much common sense in that post or any other you’ve made on this topic. You have a very strange naieve view of the food industry. You overthink things to the point where you come up will these silly childish conspiracies then call me a total moron. Good work. Im sure if you ask mummy nicely she’ll buy you some nice lobster, and maybe your favourite juice. Run along now.
switchlogic:
Carryfast:
switchlogic:
Carryfast:
switchlogic:
Ok still not getting it then. It wasn’t horse meat it was horse DNA in most cases and it wasn’t polish beef being imported it was a filler substance which makes up a large part of cheap burgers. No one buys Tesco Value burgers for the quality of the meat. Understand that now?Oh right.I get it.It’s a cheap burger that should contain a small amount of beef.In addition to which a large part of it can be made up of a ‘filler substance’.Which in this case just happened to be a ‘filler substance’ made of horse when it should have been made of ■■.
Beef.
Which,as I’ve said,we are one of the world’s best producers of.So why the need to go to Poland for so called Polish beef ‘filler’,that’s actually horse,when we’ve got plenty of ‘beef’ of our own.But maybe too many people can’t afford to buy proper burgers,made with just decent quality beef meat,instead of mostly so called ‘filler’,because British wages are being paid in worthless mickey mouse money and most of our decent beef,that could go into those so called ‘value burgers’ ( which are obviously anything but considering the accepted definition of the word ‘value’ ) is going for export.
Carryfast I know we don’t see eye to eye and I know I don’t have a high opinion of your intellegence but you’re not quite as stupid as this post makes you sound surely?
As I said it’s not me who’s lost around 60,000,000 euros worth of business because I decided to import beef filler from Poland that turned out to be horse instead of using British beef for sale in British burgers.
I suppose it all depends on your definition of stupid.But no suprise that common sense would seem stupid to a total moron.If the cap fits wear it.
Wasn’t much common sense in that post or any other you’ve made on this topic. You have a very strange naieve view of the food industry. You overthink things to the point where you come up will these silly childish conspiracies then call me a total moron. Good work. Im sure if you ask mummy nicely she’ll buy you some nice lobster, and maybe your favourite juice. Run along now.
I think you’ve missed the bit where I said that it’s not me who’s lost 60,000,000 euro’s worth of business because of Polish burger ‘filler’ imports. 
But no surprise that you’d think it’s strange and naive to point out that the government is probably zb scared of putting the excact description of what affordable so called ‘value’ food products actually consist of because that would show the real ‘value’ of the mickey mouse currency,which people are being paid,as so called wages or pensions etc for all the hours they put in at work.
While the question,of Polish ‘beef’ imports,which are actually horse,for use in burgers sold in the British market,while our own British beef gets exported,remains.
Errrrr, you didn’t need to point out twice that you didn’t lose a €60 mil contract Carryfast. We all know you’re a strange man living with his mum in Surry. Not Larry Can’t Remember His Surname of AIBP.
As for rest, you seem to be only person I’ve met that is surprised that cheap burgers are not 100% beef. Filler is just that. Its not fresh beef and its not labelled as beef on the packing. So we (or in this case Ireland) are importing filler from Poland, not beef. Can’t see how you are finding that concept so hard to grasp. Buy cheap meat you get nasty rubbish. Why dont you pop into a supermarket for a change and have a look. There is plenty of good quality British and Irish meat on the shelves, there is no consipracy to send it abroad, there is a huge amount on sale in this country. I deliver plenty of it all the time. Including from the two Irish factories involved in this. One of which used to be one of our biggest customers.
Geoffo:
Why Is eating horse meat so ‘Taboo’ In the UK ■■
It’s because generally horses are seen as pets and play things. Would you eat your cat? or dog? or goldfish?
I believe the problem stems from when people don’t want to eat ‘cute’ animals or ones they could give a name to.
If you had a pet cow, chicken, pig or sheep that you had given a name to and loved as a pet, could you eat it?
Another problem is the worryingly increasing number of kids and even adults who don’t know what they are eating or where it came from.
If you buy a pack of burgers for a quid you can’t expect premium meat. It’s not as if we are leaving are shops empty at the sake of Chinese consumers.
It is still possible to eat good food at a reasonable price just most people are to lazy to do it.
Go in a truckstop and spend a tenner on some crap that’s sat there all day when you can cook a decent meal for half the price
kr79:
If you buy a pack of burgers for a quid you can’t expect premium meat. It’s not as if we are leaving are shops empty at the sake of Chinese consumers.
It is still possible to eat good food at a reasonable price just most people are to lazy to do it.
Go in a truckstop and spend a tenner on some crap that’s sat there all day when you can cook a decent meal for half the price
I think it’s more a case of the government saying that it’s possible for a family to live on the minimum wage.No one is going to buy a pack of cheap ‘value’ burgers for dinner if they could afford to buy the same amount in steak.While if we open the British beef market up to the demand from China it’ll obviously increase prices of the decent stuff even more.But incomes obviously won’t be allowed to increase to pay for that situation.
But your idea was exactly what those union leaders and membership of the 1970’s said when wages weren’t increased in line with price increases.If you’re only prepared to pay zb wages with money that’s worth zb all then don’t expect a premium job done at the end of the day that’s even if we decide to turn up for work instead of striking for a better wage.
mucker85:
Geoffo:
Why Is eating horse meat so ‘Taboo’ In the UK ■■It’s because generally horses are seen as pets and play things. Would you eat your cat? or dog? or goldfish?
I believe the problem stems from when people don’t want to eat ‘cute’ animals or ones they could give a name to.
If you had a pet cow, chicken, pig or sheep that you had given a name to and loved as a pet, could you eat it?
Another problem is the worryingly increasing number of kids and even adults who don’t know what they are eating or where it came from.
Maybe that’s because horses are ( rightly ) seen more as pets than a source of food in a nation which isn’t starving and with no shortage of beef reared for food.
The worrying increase,in those who don’t know what they’re eating,is probably because people have every right,in one of the richest countries in the world,with no food shortage issues ( especially in the case of beef ),to think that their hard earned wages will buy a burger made with premium cuts of beef not horse ‘filler’ or offal.
switchlogic:
Errrrr, you didn’t need to point out twice that you didn’t lose a €60 mil contract Carryfast. We all know you’re a strange man living with his mum in Surry. Not Larry Can’t Remember His Surname of AIBP.As for rest, you seem to be only person I’ve met that is surprised that cheap burgers are not 100% beef. Filler is just that. Its not fresh beef and its not labelled as beef on the packing. So we (or in this case Ireland) are importing filler from Poland, not beef. Can’t see how you are finding that concept so hard to grasp. Buy cheap meat you get nasty rubbish. Why dont you pop into a supermarket for a change and have a look. There is plenty of good quality British and Irish meat on the shelves, there is no consipracy to send it abroad, there is a huge amount on sale in this country. I deliver plenty of it all the time. Including from the two Irish factories involved in this. One of which used to be one of our biggest customers.
So there’s a huge amount of premium beef but it’s being sold at delicacy prices in real terms.I pointed out the value of the loss of that contract twice for your benefit not mine.If it had been my firm I’d have been looking for some decent British beef to put in the burgers instead of Polish ‘filler’.In which case everyone would have been happy including the customers who’d got more value for their money than they’d bargained for.
Carryfast:
If it had been my firm I’d have been looking for some decent British beef to put in the burgers instead of Polish ‘filler’.In which case everyone would have been happy including the customers who’d got more value for their money than they’d bargained for.
Problem is that idealistic way of thinking is wrong.
Your burgers would be more expensive than the competition and your customers would go elsewhere. Not only would you go bust you would have to lay off your staff and your suppliers might go bust because they no longer have a company to supply.
Get real and try to live in the real world we all have to live in now. If you won’t do something cheap enough there will be someone else who will.
Well Carryfast it wasn’t your firm. You’ve never run your own company, you have no real first hand experience of the food industry, you seemingly have no idea how it works, nor do you seem to have any idea how much quality meat costs so you know what? I reckon AIBP will do ok without your advice and easily get over this slight hurdle. They are after all a massive company who were simply caught out by a dodgy supplier. Im sure if you can make 100% prime cut beef burgers for knock down value prices and make a profit then all the supermarkets will love to know how.
You amaze me in that you seem to think you know best about everything, I’ve never met anyone with such a giant know all attitude and ego.
switchlogic:
Well Carryfast it wasn’t your firm. You’ve never run your own company, you have no real first hand experience of the food industry, you seemingly have no idea how it works, nor do you seem to have any idea how much quality meat costs so you know what? I reckon AIBP will do ok without your advice and easily get over this slight hurdle. They are after all a massive company who were simply caught out by a dodgy supplier. Im sure if you can make 100% prime cut beef burgers for knock down value prices and make a profit then all the supermarkets will love to know how.You amaze me in that you seem to think you know best about everything, I’ve never met anyone with such a giant know all attitude and ego.
+1 Well put
Carryfast:
kr79:
If you buy a pack of burgers for a quid you can’t expect premium meat. It’s not as if we are leaving are shops empty at the sake of Chinese consumers.
It is still possible to eat good food at a reasonable price just most people are to lazy to do it.
Go in a truckstop and spend a tenner on some crap that’s sat there all day when you can cook a decent meal for half the priceI think it’s more a case of the government saying that it’s possible for a family to live on the minimum wage.No one is going to buy a pack of cheap ‘value’ burgers for dinner if they could afford to buy the same amount in steak.While if we open the British beef market up to the demand from China it’ll obviously increase prices of the decent stuff even more.But incomes obviously won’t be allowed to increase to pay for that situation.
But your idea was exactly what those union leaders and membership of the 1970’s said when wages weren’t increased in line with price increases.If you’re only prepared to pay zb wages with money that’s worth zb all then don’t expect a premium job done at the end of the day that’s even if we decide to turn up for work instead of striking for a better wage.
Not realy I see people going in the supermarket paying 5 and six quid for ready meals when you can make it from scratch for half the price.
mucker85:
Carryfast:
If it had been my firm I’d have been looking for some decent British beef to put in the burgers instead of Polish ‘filler’.In which case everyone would have been happy including the customers who’d got more value for their money than they’d bargained for.Problem is that idealistic way of thinking is wrong.
Your burgers would be more expensive than the competition and your customers would go elsewhere. Not only would you go bust you would have to lay off your staff and your suppliers might go bust because they no longer have a company to supply.
Get real and try to live in the real world we all have to live in now. If you won’t do something cheap enough there will be someone else who will.
Or there’s another scenario in which the customers just decide to walk away from the cheap offal,filler and whatever burgers at any price ( as opposed to value burgers )and just decide to buy some decent bacon to put in a sandwich instead.But my point is that there’s a big difference between customers buying cheap zb compared to looking for value for money.
kr79:
Carryfast:
kr79:
If you buy a pack of burgers for a quid you can’t expect premium meat. It’s not as if we are leaving are shops empty at the sake of Chinese consumers.
It is still possible to eat good food at a reasonable price just most people are to lazy to do it.
Go in a truckstop and spend a tenner on some crap that’s sat there all day when you can cook a decent meal for half the priceI think it’s more a case of the government saying that it’s possible for a family to live on the minimum wage.No one is going to buy a pack of cheap ‘value’ burgers for dinner if they could afford to buy the same amount in steak.While if we open the British beef market up to the demand from China it’ll obviously increase prices of the decent stuff even more.But incomes obviously won’t be allowed to increase to pay for that situation.
But your idea was exactly what those union leaders and membership of the 1970’s said when wages weren’t increased in line with price increases.If you’re only prepared to pay zb wages with money that’s worth zb all then don’t expect a premium job done at the end of the day that’s even if we decide to turn up for work instead of striking for a better wage.
Not realy I see people going in the supermarket paying 5 and six quid for ready meals when you can make it from scratch for half the price.
i don’t think that you’d get much decent beef for £5 let alone £2.50.But it’s no suprise that when workers ask for more money that’s called inflation but when the shopkeepers make burgers with loads of offal and/or filler instead of decent beef that’s called profit.
You can get a ■■■■ nice piece of rump for £5. Good meat can be had at a good price, I buy it all the time. Cheap burgers exist because people want them. Its not hard to find reasonably priced quality meat in the UK. In fact right now I’m cooking 350g of Welsh Topside steak that cost me £3.60.
switchlogic:
You can get a ■■■■ nice piece of rump for £5. Good meat can be had at a good price, I buy it all the time. Cheap burgers exist because people want them. Its not hard to find reasonably priced quality meat in the UK. In fact right now I’m cooking 350g of Welsh Topside steak that cost me £3.60.
So assuming that the burger manufacturers can buy decent British beef at wholesale prices a lot less than that.Why are they bothering with flogging burgers made with offal and/or ‘filler’ of whatever type imported from Poland and why are burgers made with the cheaper prime cuts of beef more expensive than a piece of steak from one of the more expensive cuts.
Because they are a business not a charity. People know burgers are full of crap yet still buy and eat them.
You are the only ones who think they are made up of the finest beef. Everyone else knows its the old crap.
kr79:
Because they are a business not a charity. People know burgers are full of crap yet still buy and eat them.
You are the only ones who think they are made up of the finest beef. Everyone else knows its the old crap.
That doesn’t really answer the question concerning burgers made with the cheaper cuts of beef being around double the price of buying an even better cut of beef according to the example given previously.
Cheap cuts like brisket etc aren’t ‘finest beef’ but it’s better than offal and ‘filler’ from Poland.People only buy ‘value’ burgers full of that type of zb because they can’t afford to buy the better ones made with those cheaper prime cuts.Which isn’t surprising when those better ones cost around £2 per 100g.But as I said I don’t remember the unions ever being able to say that they’re not a charity when they’ve been blamed for asking for more money to compensate for the shopkeeper mentality of ever less value in products for ever higher prices.
FFS carry fast unless you buy fresh burgers from a good butcher they are full of crap. Wether they are Birdseye or tesco value.
I used to see the Jeremy Kyle scumbags round my way in farm foods loading up the trolley with crap from farm foods but still had enough cash to buy booze and ■■■■.
You go and buy four ready meals from them places at 3 quid a pop that’s 12 quid for a family of four. You can make a decent stew or spaghetti bollegnase from scratch for a lot less.