Toby there are two junctions on the M11 in Cambridgeshire with cctv which one were you on,
Mike-C:
extrucker:
If it helps getting poorly maintained trucks off the road, that cause congestion by either crashing or breaking down in live lane, must be a good thing??Your experience tells you poor maintainance is a large part responsible for crashes and breakdowns ?
Maybe it’s a built in design flaw 
A little while ago I was on my way to Rowley Regis, big rdc there, now closed.
Anyway coming up the M6 with 3.40 on the clock hits the back of the Q for the road works pushing everyone down the next junction … exits the the motorway, red route all the way to depot, arrives with 5.25 on the clock!
Printout and speed printout showing the stop start bit. Explanation on the printout. No bother at all from the company or the copper who checked it out about 6 weeks later. (no lights on the trailer that time)
Always puzzles me seeing trucks parked up on the entry ad exit slips.
Mike C, I seem to deal with more broken down trucks now than ever before. Perhaps it is companies cutting costs and cutting back on preventative maintenance? There seems to be more truck fires now than before. I receive a national incident report daily and there is hardly a day goes by without a truck fire and that’s just HA roads. It might be too many electronics? Actros seem to have a problem in traffic and you have to turn them off and reset. I have had this numerous times.I’m not sure if it is poor maintenance, but possibly a major cause??
extrucker:
Mike C, I seem to deal with more broken down trucks now than ever before. Perhaps it is companies cutting costs and cutting back on preventative maintenance? There seems to be more truck fires now than before. I receive a national incident report daily and there is hardly a day goes by without a truck fire and that’s just HA roads. It might be too many electronics? Actros seem to have a problem in traffic and you have to turn them off and reset. I have had this numerous times.I’m not sure if it is poor maintenance, but possibly a major cause??
I am paying attention to what you say as i know you’ll have been to more breakdowns and accidents than me and therefore have more intimate knowledge of there causes.
To the best of my knowledge there is nothing “maintainable” on a truck as regards the electrics, exception being the condition of the electric trailer leads. Apart from electric failures any other examples of lack of maintainance as regards accidents or breakdowns?
Daily i hear radio bulletins of lost loads and road closures to clean up the mess.
speedyguy:
Mike-C:
extrucker:
If it helps getting poorly maintained trucks off the road, that cause congestion by either crashing or breaking down in live lane, must be a good thing??Your experience tells you poor maintainance is a large part responsible for crashes and breakdowns ?
Maybe it’s a built in design flaw
I suppose if you roll your eyes and add a sarcastic comment it must mean i’ve asked a stupid question ?
So indulge me, and tell me some examples of poorly maintained trucks breaking down and or crashing. And indulge me even further and tell me how HATO’s may have a role to play in preventing such circumstances.
Big Jase:
Left hand down!:
Yes, yes, of course he did…In Toby’s case he’d have been gone by the point anyway so you’d have ended up looking like a right [zb]. Mind you, there wouldn’t be any noticeable difference from the norm there.
Except we still have your reg and will pass it to DVSA to pay a visit to your offices, go over all your Tacho records including the one at that moment that showed your tacho was on rest thus giving you a nice ticket anyway, best just not to stop on the shoulder but what would be the fun in that if you can’t cause an issue between the HA and you just for fun. Weird the things people do to get off.
So you’re a grass as well 
It’s better to stop on an off ramp as the traffic will be slowing down to exit the motorway, as opposed to on ramp where the traffic is speeding up.
( but what happens in March when HATO become a GovCo, I’m not sure.)
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Come the 01st April 2015 you will all soon find out 
Good luck 
Mike, I didn’t roll my eyes?
All the breakdowns in live lanes, it is usually an older truck that doesn’t look maintained, compared to a shiny new fleet truck, or an older truck that is ran by an owner driver.
This is only my experience. Off course any truck can breakdown.
Tyre blow outs can happen to anyone, but these are usually on trucks that don’t look as good as some.
If intel collated by HA can make DVSA aware of trucks/operators that have on going issues, so perhaps are not maintaining trucks as they should be, so action is taken, this can only mean less cowboys on the road. Operators who undercut professional operators and drive rates down being forced off the road is good, is it not??
Dipper_Dave:
Remember that recent TV show about the HA and how neutered they looked when the Police took control of the motorway due to a serious incident…talk about a load of nancies wishing they could be coppers.
You clearly have no clue but carry on with your ill informed thoughts.
Dipper_Dave:
In my heirachy of things this is how I prioritise those mucking about with the roads.
- The Police
- DVSA/VOSA
- Traffic Wardens
- Lollipop Ladies
- HATOS
Oh how sweet, I’d better not list where I hold all those PROFESSIONAL drivers who had the most basic driving test years ago, have had no further training (bar the DCPC which doesnt seem to have made any difference to some yet they still say “Ive been driving longer than you’ve been alive mate”.), have no clue about stopping on the hard shoulder, what signs actually means, how to secure loads, how to look where they are going, how to check their truck, how to stay clean and presentable and not drive at me waving their arms, oh and the guy this morning who was waving his arms at me doing 40 through roadworks protesting BECAUSE HE WAS TOO THICK TO SEE THE CAR IN FRONT OF ME ALSO DOING 40.
Dipper_Dave:
The reason they are bottom of my list is because they haven’t got the sense to use the matrix signs to protect their own workforce. Only yesterday I saw one of their front line soldiers moving the cones after a road closure in a live lane when pitch black and in doing so he was in so much danger it beggers belief. Every matrix sign on the approach had informed motorists the road was closed at that very junction leading the traffic into the nearside lane on approach.
So how would you like us to remove a closure then? Stop the traffic for 15 minutes when we can do it without stopping you. STOP PRESS,HIGHWAYS AGENCY REMOVES A ROAD CLOSURE WITHOUT STOPPING TRAFFIC YET DRIVER STILL COMPLAINS, you guys, honestly
Dipper_Dave:
Remember that recent TV show about the HA and how neutered they looked when the Police took control of the motorway due to a serious incident…talk about a load of nancies wishing they could be coppers.
You clearly have no clue but carry on with your ill informed thoughts.
Dipper_Dave:
In my heirachy of things this is how I prioritise those mucking about with the roads.
- The Police
- DVSA/VOSA
- Traffic Wardens
- Lollipop Ladies
- HATOS
Oh how sweet, I’d better not list where I hold all those PROFESSIONAL drivers who had the most basic driving test years ago, have had no further training, (bar the DCPC which doesnt seem to have made any difference to some yet they still say “Ive been driving longer than you’ve been alive mate”.) have no clue about stopping on the hard shoulder, what signs actually means, how to secure loads, how to look where they are going, how to check their truck, how to stay clean and presentable and not drive at me waving their arms, oh and the guy this morning who was waving his arms at me doing 40 through roadworks protesting BECAUSE HE WAS TOO THICK TO SEE THE CAR IN FRONT OF ME ALSO DOING 40.
Dipper_Dave:
The reason they are bottom of my list is because they haven’t got the sense to use the matrix signs to protect their own workforce. Only yesterday I saw one of their front line soldiers moving the cones after a road closure in a live lane when pitch black and in doing so he was in so much danger it beggers belief. Every matrix sign on the approach had informed motorists the road was closed at that very junction leading the traffic into the nearside lane on approach.
So how would you like us to remove a closure then? Stop the traffic for 15 minutes when we can do it without stopping you. STOP PRESS,HIGHWAYS AGENCY REMOVES A ROAD CLOSURE WITHOUT STOPPING TRAFFIC YET DRIVER STILL COMPLAINS, you guys, honestly
Truckbling:
Why are driver so scared of carrying on until they find a safe place to park?Read the rules lads, its perfectly acceptable to carry on to a safe place to park regardless of the fact you are out of driving time. You could call in to every service station on the M1 t ofind there is nowhere to park, no problem, carry on to the next until there is a safe place to park. It’s perfectly ok to do so providing you write on your print out.
Yes you could technically drive for 5 or 6 hours and get away with it, learn the rules!
why on earth with the likes of LHD want to do that? Nah, just stop and cause an issue, wee on the floor then ask us to taste it just to spark an row so he can come on here and be all tuff.
Big Jase does have a point about untidy drivers.
It is amazing that a tramp that has crawled out of a hedge backwards can get the keys to a £120,000 lorry and a load worth a million pounds.
And yes, i have met quite a few thick drivers.
Neanderthal grunting cave men.
It was a tad daft of me to stop on a slip road.
Hands up.We are only human.
extrucker:
Mike, I didn’t roll my eyes?
All the breakdowns in live lanes, it is usually an older truck that doesn’t look maintained, compared to a shiny new fleet truck, or an older truck that is ran by an owner driver.
This is only my experience. Off course any truck can breakdown.
Tyre blow outs can happen to anyone, but these are usually on trucks that don’t look as good as some.
If intel collated by HA can make DVSA aware of trucks/operators that have on going issues, so perhaps are not maintaining trucks as they should be, so action is taken, this can only mean less cowboys on the road. Operators who undercut professional operators and drive rates down being forced off the road is good, is it not??
It was speedy guy with the rolly eyes and quit witted design flaw comment.
Regarding lack of maintainance, of course it goes without saying no one wants badly maintained, or non maintained trucks on the road. I’d just question lack of maintainance as a reason for crashes and or break downs. Unless of course someone asserts to me that it is indeed the case.
Even if it was the case i couldn’t see how HATO could or should have a role to play in detecting such trucks. But its all up in the air until April next year anyway ?
118steve:
A little while ago I was on my way to Rowley Regis, big rdc there, now closed.Anyway coming up the M6 with 3.40 on the clock hits the back of the Q for the road works pushing everyone down the next junction … exits the the motorway, red route all the way to depot, arrives with 5.25 on the clock!
Printout and speed printout showing the stop start bit. Explanation on the printout. No bother at all from the company or the copper who checked it out about 6 weeks later. (no lights on the trailer that time)
Always puzzles me seeing trucks parked up on the entry ad exit slips.
im not having a dig here,but I would just soooooo love to be a fly on the wall watching you explain that to some frogplod,or spaniardo,voila!!!..3000 euro fine,truck impounded,and into the pokey if you complain,or,straight to the cashile for a backhander…hence why its 4-29 and park it where it is.
Truck aint moving until they get their 3000 euros.
They take the vehicle documents so you are stuffed like the Christmas turkey.
dieseldog999:
118steve:
A little while ago I was on my way to Rowley Regis, big rdc there, now closed.Anyway coming up the M6 with 3.40 on the clock hits the back of the Q for the road works pushing everyone down the next junction … exits the the motorway, red route all the way to depot, arrives with 5.25 on the clock!
Printout and speed printout showing the stop start bit. Explanation on the printout. No bother at all from the company or the copper who checked it out about 6 weeks later. (no lights on the trailer that time)
Always puzzles me seeing trucks parked up on the entry ad exit slips.
im not having a dig here,but I would just soooooo love to be a fly on the wall watching you explain that to some frogplod,or spaniardo,voila!!!..3000 euro fine,truck impounded,and into the pokey if you complain,or,straight to the cashile for a backhander…hence why its 4-29 and park it where it is.
Which leaves the question as to why a French fine for exceeding 4.5 hours in the UK is considered as being worse than a charge of dangerous or careless driving in the case of a truck that’s parked on the hard shoulder for a 15-45 minute here for example.Let alone in the case of running out of total driving hours.The whole issue seems like a deliberate catch 22 that’s being used by the British and EU to cause as much aggravation as possible.When all that’s needed is a clear EU hours regs amendment that allows the driving time limits to be exceeded in the case of finding somewhere safe to park in the event of ‘unforeseen’ circumstances.
toby1234abc:
Big Jase does have a point about untidy drivers.
It is amazing that a tramp that has crawled out of a hedge backwards can get the keys to a £120,000 lorry and a load worth a million pounds.
And yes, i have met quite a few thick drivers.
Neanderthal grunting cave men.
It was a tad daft of me to stop on a slip road.
Hands up.We are only human.
Surprised you did Tobes, I think your obsession with tea and biscuits with the TC is clouding your judgement.
Big Jase:
Dipper_Dave:
Remember that recent TV show about the HA and how neutered they looked when the Police took control of the motorway due to a serious incident…talk about a load of nancies wishing they could be coppers.You clearly have no clue but carry on with your ill informed thoughts.
Dipper_Dave:
In my heirachy of things this is how I prioritise those mucking about with the roads.
- The Police
- DVSA/VOSA
- Traffic Wardens
- Lollipop Ladies
- HATOS
Oh how sweet, I’d better not list where I hold all those PROFESSIONAL drivers who had the most basic driving test years ago, have had no further training (bar the DCPC which doesnt seem to have made any difference to some yet they still say “Ive been driving longer than you’ve been alive mate”.), have no clue about stopping on the hard shoulder, what signs actually means, how to secure loads, how to look where they are going, how to check their truck, how to stay clean and presentable and not drive at me waving their arms, oh and the guy this morning who was waving his arms at me doing 40 through roadworks protesting BECAUSE HE WAS TOO THICK TO SEE THE CAR IN FRONT OF ME ALSO DOING 40.
Dipper_Dave:
The reason they are bottom of my list is because they haven’t got the sense to use the matrix signs to protect their own workforce. Only yesterday I saw one of their front line soldiers moving the cones after a road closure in a live lane when pitch black and in doing so he was in so much danger it beggers belief. Every matrix sign on the approach had informed motorists the road was closed at that very junction leading the traffic into the nearside lane on approach.So how would you like us to remove a closure then? Stop the traffic for 15 minutes when we can do it without stopping you. STOP PRESS,HIGHWAYS AGENCY REMOVES A ROAD CLOSURE WITHOUT STOPPING TRAFFIC YET DRIVER STILL COMPLAINS, you guys, honestly
Have always strangely wondered if wombles have small willies. Not something I ever actually thought I’d learn the answer to TBH.