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[robroy]

Sploom:
Its a good thing to be concerned about children being brainwashed.A good place to look would be the TV.And their favourite movies.
Looking back,I was influenced a lot by what was on TV,even thoigh it might be hard to admit it.

Ok.but are you not actively retaliating because you accept in the back of your mind I am right about the potential bad and long term effects on children?..you come across as a bit passive and casual on all this stuff,.as if it is normal and more widespread…it ain’t !
You are in a very small minority in fact.

Yes I agree with you on us being influenced by tv as kids. I certainly do not find it hard to admit it,.and why would I (or you) be.?

I too.was influenced by tv as a kid,.but certainly not brainwashed.
For example…we used to watch John Wayne westerns, cop shows ,.and war movies and go out to play and re.enact them, using our fingers as guns…but the main difference is, …then we eventually grew out of it.

We also used to watch those influential films voluntarily,.we were not forced into it with the threat of a horrible fictitious fate if we did not.

Being influenced as kids by films, tv,.and now computer games, is a whole different ball game to being influenced by force, via an indoctrination into a religious cult or sect would you not say?
I certainly would.

Your comparing apples with oranges mate.

[sploom]

My point is you cant drum religion into children anyway.I have two children one is a non believer.
But doesnt seem affected by what I believe.Yes we read the Bible and what I believe,but that was only a short timr
Nobody likes the idea of a hell,but at the same time,if you believe in God as good,He therefore has to punish evildoers.Just like in a court of law,you expect the judge to pass a just sentence on the criminal.So,you cant take Hell out of the equation once you become a born again Christian.
If you dont believe in God or the afterlife then its not an issue for you.It sounds like you made your mind up for good on this

[robroy]

Sploom:
My point is you cant drum religion into children anyway.I have two children one is a non believer.
But doesnt seem affected by what I believe.Yes we read the Bible and what I believe,but that was only a short timr
Nobody likes the idea of a hell,but at the same time,if you believe in God as good,He therefore has to punish evildoers.Just like in a court of law,you expect the judge to pass a just sentence on the criminal.So,you cant take Hell out of the equation once you become a born again Christian.
If you dont believe in God or the afterlife then its not an issue for you.It sounds like you made your mind up for good on this

Ok, thanks for that mate…I’ve got a rational and concise answer at last, without the more usual jargon and rhetoric laden speech, garnished with Bible quotes,.that you guys usually come back with…
And also for resisting kicking off,.and it turning nasty…(despite all the stick I’ve been giving you over all this. )

So… how do you feel about that, that despite your efforts one of your kids has not swalowed all this stuff,.at what point did they tell you., how old was he/she,.and how did you react?
(I can only liken it to one of my lads telling me they now support Man Utd or Sunderland. )
So do you still both get on?

I was always taught when I was a kid that ‘God always forgave you’’ as he was ‘‘A true forgiving God’’ as long as you ‘‘Renounced your sins on the day of judgenent’’.

I always had problems with that one, the word God (a God) used as an indefinite article as a part of speech,.'‘a ‘’ god rather than just ‘God’ rather as a unique being,…so they contradict themselves by accepting other ‘gods’ exist,.
Also in the Commandments…’'You shall have no other god than me ‘’ same thing,.the admission of acceptance of the existence of other gods,.therefore a contradiction of their/your stated beliefs.
Anyway I digress.

So a scenario for you, where you have been a complete ■■■■ all your life,.you die and then suddenly you realise all this stuff has been true after all , , and you are stood waiting your turn to face judgement…
Of course you are going to say ‘‘Forgive Lord me for I have sinned’’ surely you would be a fool not to.
Especially if the choice of (as I likened it to before ).Blackpool or Scunthorpe is chucked at you, (or if you want to refer to another religion, 50 virgins waiting for your attention. )

So bearing that in mind,.who exactly goes to Hell (or Scunthorpe ) only the Premier League faces of absolute ‘sinners’, like Hitler, Himmler , Vlad the Impaler,?..(and Maradonna )

Bloody hell, !! . (Resisted using the JC words ) I’ve just read that back,.and it’s actually ME using religious terms and quotes now …
You are starting to get through to me after all mate.

[the_nodding_donkey]

Leaving aside the level of delusion, and severity of preaching of the individual devotees, there are two main issues with religion, which are the biggest problem overall.

1. The perceived obligation of an individual to comply with something, over which they had no choice or knowledge prior.
   I was born into this world, without any say. I did not get an option. I did not get asked, “would you like…”. To confer on me
   than, an obligation to worship an imaginary overlord, on pain of eternal burning in a hell, is ludicrous. It’s what a dictator in a
   third world country does.

2. Religions obsession with punishing everybody who does not comply with their particular, narrow, interpretation of their
   religion. Christian vs Islam , catholic vs protestant, shi’ite vs sunni, Muslim vs Hindu, … and these are just the ones
   believing in the same story, for pity sake… let’s not start about the religious genocide perpetrated by all religions against
   those not believing, or believing in alternatives.

Religion is evil. Not in its base believe, by an individual, in how we got here, and where we may go, but in its organised form, where it has created a divided world, full of pain and hatred.

Well done religion

[sploom]

I dont like it but nothing I van do if my children arent all believers.I dont treat them any differently.Yes,God will forgive all your sins,even no matter how vile they are,but only if you have geniune repentance.But,heres the thing,repentance is a gift of the spirit.All these gifts are taken away at death,so I dont advise you making a plan to deal with this issue after death because you wont have the ability to repent then and therefore wont be forgiven.Now is the acceptable time to repent and turn to God.If you wait till you die,its too late,youve blown it then,you have to pay the punishments for breaking the commandements. Thou shalt not steal,thou shalt not lie,(have you only ever told the truth?)there you go,you know if you broke even one of them,…
Jesus came once to deal with sin,He will come again but this time it will be to slaughter and to ■■■■,He will be merciless in the execution of His justice,but the justice will be no more than divine justice demands.Its purley a reaction to your sin,but He offers you mercy today,the narrow path is open to you.A lot of religions say you need to do good works to get to Heaven but the problem is ,there arent enough good works left just to cover your one little sin.Here is a video which sums up my beliefs
youtube.com/watch?v=wu2xtAhpYRQ

oh,there wont be 50 virgins,not intrested anyway,rather be having a cup of tea|!

[yorkshire_tramper]

There are some positives that come out of religion for the non believers so it isn’t all bad but on the whole there is more negatives that outweigh the positive side. However as I have stated in past posts on this subject, believers get a sense of well being and belonging through their faith whichever religious domain they follow. Religion really suppresses the truth of existence and is far simpler to say tghat God created everything. Science has come a very long way since the scriptures were written and can be explained and proven whereas religion has never been able to prove anything other than to state ridiculous sayings. An example is the apostle Paul himself stating that to be wise they really become fools. Another way of suppressing the truth by ridiculing the academic. I think Robroy hit the nail on the head with his description of the devil and his old style toasting fork, I personaly didn’t think that the devil had hoofs, I always thought he just wore platform shoes. If you analyse the bible as a rational individual and look at the scientific proof, then it doesn’t take very long to see the massive contradiction and why religious people cannot explain the exisitence of god in any other way other than to give odd quotes such as he is all around us and “he only takes the good early” in explaining why a child has tragically died. Science can prove most things but religion cannot.

[robroy]

Sploom:
I dont like it but nothing I van do if my children arent all believers.I dont treat them any differently.Yes,God will forgive all your sins,even no matter how vile they are,but only if you have geniune repentance.But,heres the thing,repentance is a gift of the spirit.All these gifts are taken away at death,so I dont advise you making a plan to deal with this issue after death because you wont have the ability to repent then and therefore wont be forgiven.Now is the acceptable time to repent and turn to God.If you wait till you die,its too late,youve blown it then,you have to pay the punishments for breaking the commandements. Thou shalt not steal,thou shalt not lie,(have you only ever told the truth?)there you go,you know if you broke even one of them,…
Jesus came once to deal with sin,He will come again but this time it will be to slaughter and to ■■■■,He will be merciless in the execution of His justice,but the justice will be no more than divine justice demands.Its purley a reaction to your sin,but He offers you mercy today,the narrow path is open to you.A lot of religions say you need to do good works to get to Heaven but the problem is ,there arent enough good works left just to cover your one little sin.Here is a video which sums up my beliefs
youtube.com/watch?v=wu2xtAhpYRQ

oh,there wont be 50 virgins,not intrested anyway,rather be having a cup of tea|!

Ah well,.I see the rationality theme didn’t last long, back to the preaching and the sermons.
And please do NOT think I ‘‘Have a plan after death’’ I take that as an insult to my intelligence, when you’re dead you’re dead…end of.
I was merely making a hypothetical scenario to make my point.
But after reading your preachings it’s a ‘‘Scunthorpe/Hell here I come’’.

As for your link,.I gave it a chance, but I started to glaze over when it just turned into the usual religious claptrap propaganda, spouted by the usual ‘type’ of person, a bit like Joseph Goebbles in a dog collar type of thing. (Loved the guy dressed like Alan Partridge btw, he’s really going to further your cause )
Loved the bit when it was said ‘It PROVED’ the bible was right’’ or words to that effect.

So here’s a video for you that sprang to mind when I started to watch it, that sums up MY opinions.

youtu.be/35K6vQRt67g

google.com/search?q=talking … s-wiz-serp

[robroy]

Yorkshire Tramper:
There are some positives that come out of religion for the non believers so it isn’t all bad but on the whole there is more negatives that outweigh the positive side. However as I have stated in past posts on this subject, believers get a sense of well being and belonging through their faith whichever religious domain they follow. Religion really suppresses the truth of existence and is far simpler to say tghat God created everything. Science has come a very long way since the scriptures were written and can be explained and proven whereas religion has never been able to prove anything other than to state ridiculous sayings. An example is the apostle Paul himself stating that to be wise they really become fools. Another way of suppressing the truth by ridiculing the academic. I think Robroy hit the nail on the head with his description of the devil and his old style toasting fork, I personaly didn’t think that the devil had hoofs, I always thought he just wore platform shoes. If you analyse the bible as a rational individual and look at the scientific proof, then it doesn’t take very long to see the massive contradiction and why religious people cannot explain the exisitence of god in any other way other than to give odd quotes such as he is all around us and “he only takes the good early” in explaining why a child has tragically died. Science can prove most things but religion cannot.

Watch you don’t get splinters up your arse sat on that fence bud.
‘Is you in, or is you out’’ ?
I can’t make up my mind here .

[yorkshire_tramper]

robroy:
‘Is you in, or is you out’’ ?
I can’t make up my mind here .

Well I most certainly do not subscribe to the religious thinking myself, I can see and think I know why some do. There are always two sides to every story that is a fact. Just because I do not agree with something it doesn’t necessarily mean that my side of the story is correct. A direct answer to you would be I am out. I do wonder though, how many of us would edge our bets at the moment of reckoning and actually say a prayer? I know the majority is all mumbo jumbo and I have had a bad experience with religion but it still remains a mystery about an afterlife which may not be unreasonable.

[the_nodding_donkey]

robroy:

Yorkshire Tramper:
There are some positives that come out of religion for the non believers so it isn’t all bad but on the whole there is more negatives that outweigh the positive side. However as I have stated in past posts on this subject, believers get a sense of well being and belonging through their faith whichever religious domain they follow. Religion really suppresses the truth of existence and is far simpler to say tghat God created everything. Science has come a very long way since the scriptures were written and can be explained and proven whereas religion has never been able to prove anything other than to state ridiculous sayings. An example is the apostle Paul himself stating that to be wise they really become fools. Another way of suppressing the truth by ridiculing the academic. I think Robroy hit the nail on the head with his description of the devil and his old style toasting fork, I personaly didn’t think that the devil had hoofs, I always thought he just wore platform shoes. If you analyse the bible as a rational individual and look at the scientific proof, then it doesn’t take very long to see the massive contradiction and why religious people cannot explain the exisitence of god in any other way other than to give odd quotes such as he is all around us and “he only takes the good early” in explaining why a child has tragically died. Science can prove most things but religion cannot.

Watch you don’t get splinters up your arse sat on that fence bud.
‘Is you in, or is you out’’ ?
I can’t make up my mind here .

I made up my mind a long time ago.

I dont know if there is a god. I doubt it, but, I dont have proof either way. But, if there is indeed a god, as they say, and their story is true, then i know which side I prefer to be on when the final say comes…

We have Death
We have War
We have Pestilence
And Famine is around the corner…

-\m/ 666 -\m/

[robroy]

Yorkshire Tramper:

robroy:
‘Is you in, or is you out’’ ?
I can’t make up my mind here .

Well I most certainly do not subscribe to the religious thinking myself, I can see and think I know why some do. There are always two sides to every story that is a fact. Just because I do not agree with something it doesn’t necessarily mean that my side of the story is correct. A direct answer to you would be I am out. I do wonder though, how many of us would edge our bets at the moment of reckoning and actually say a prayer? I know the majority is all mumbo jumbo and I have had a bad experience with religion but it still remains a mystery about an afterlife which may not be unreasonable.

I think it was General Eisenhower who said ‘‘There are no atheists in a foxhole’’.
But that ain’t being a believer, that’s being a chancer.

Even if there is some kind of ‘afterlife’ it does not have to be coming from a religious perspective.
How many times have people seen or experienced unexplained things, concerning people who are dead ?..that remain unexplained.
That is a different argument and subject matter completely.
It does not prove they have gone to Heaven, Hell, or any other fictitious place.

[yorkshire_tramper]

robroy:
Even if there is some kind of ‘afterlife’ it does not have to be coming from a religious perspective.
How many times have people seen or experienced unexplained things, concerning people who are dead ?..that remain unexplained.
That is a different argument and subject matter completely.
It does not prove they have gone to Heaven, Hell, or any other fictitious place.

True but then it does sort of all lead into a belief that others don’t have, religios or not.

[cav551]

As someone who reckons that most of the stories are fanciful to say the least, and that religion is to blame for a very sizeable chunk of the world’s troubles, I just wonder what our ex-military veteran members, who are ex Afghan or Iraq, have to say on this and how they felt at the time?

[narc]

robroy:
The air has never been cleaner, truck emissions have never been cleaner.
So don’t believe all the green hype and b/s put about by those with a vested interest.

I remember following convoys of trucks in the 80s , 150 and 180 Gardners and 220 ■■■■■■■ (google em ) fully loaded,.struggling uphill, (no jokes about ‘Uphill.Gardeners’ please) with clouds of what looked like thick fog,.with the stink of fuel and strong exhaust fumes getting in your cab all day.

Only potential health issues are in your own hands, lack of excercise, not eating properly and if when you do eat it’s fried greasy crap, bringing on indigestion and worse…ulcers.

Then there’s the piece de resistance…'‘The.Farmer Giles’'with sitting on yer arse all day, and constipation with eating previously mentioned crap.

Love the reference to wearing masks, implying it is ridiculous (which it is btw) …think back 2 years.

Spot on !

[the_maoster]

cav551:
As someone who reckons that most of the stories are fanciful to say the least, and that religion is to blame for a very sizeable chunk of the world’s troubles, I just wonder what our ex-military veteran members, who are ex Afghan or Iraq, have to say on this and how they felt at the time?

As an eighteen year old I was picked to do a “close confirmation “ of a car bomb just off of The Falls Road. A close confirmation involves quite simply walking up to the suspect vehicle and confirming whether or not it is actually a bomb (it was in this case) the reason I was picked according to the nice Paratrooper was that (a) I’m cheaper and more expendable than the ATO robot, and (b) I was the youngest!

They call it the long walk, and believe me it’s not only long but it’s lonely too. Every step of the way I promised God that I’d attend every church service I could. On the way back I redoubled my prayers

Later on in that same tour I was part of a patrol in South Armagh that was setting up an ambush on the back of some solid intelligence reports. Before we left camp they made us attend a church service where the Protestant vicar/priest told us that we would be doing Gods work by killing Catholics!!!

That was it for me, I was out of religion big style.

[sploom]

Ok,I watched your video.
I just tried to answer the question you asked me.You did ask me if the matter can be dealt with after death,so I gave you ,hopefully,the Biblical response.I only presumed you hadnt been perfect because nobody else is perfect so that would have made you unique.This sort of thing is best talked about face to face because its hard to communicate these ideas just writing in a forum without coming across the wrong way.When I try and evangelise at work,nobody minds because you can use facial expressions and so on when talking about the sensitive issues.This is missing when you write electronically,if that makes sense

[yorkshire_tramper]

Sploom:
Ok,I watched your video.
I just tried to answer the question you asked me.You did ask me if the matter can be dealt with after death,so I gave you ,hopefully,the Biblical response.I only presumed you hadnt been perfect because nobody else is perfect so that would have made you unique.This sort of thing is best talked about face to face because its hard to communicate these ideas just writing in a forum without coming across the wrong way.When I try and evangelise at work,nobody minds because you can use facial expressions and so on when talking about the sensitive issues.This is missing when you write electronically,if that makes sense

Not sure, but I get the feeling that Robroy might not feel any different talking in person with or without the facial expressions. I also suspect the facial expressions from him may differ to yours too. Just a hunch that I have.

[sploom]

the maoster:

cav551:
As someone who reckons that most of the stories are fanciful to say the least, and that religion is to blame for a very sizeable chunk of the world’s troubles, I just wonder what our ex-military veteran members, who are ex Afghan or Iraq, have to say on this and how they felt at the time?

As an eighteen year old I was picked to do a “close confirmation “ of a car bomb just off of The Falls Road. A close confirmation involves quite simply walking up to the suspect vehicle and confirming whether or not it is actually a bomb (it was in this case) the reason I was picked according to the nice Paratrooper was that (a) I’m cheaper and more expendable than the ATO robot, and (b) I was the youngest!

They call it the long walk, and believe me it’s not only long but it’s lonely too. Every step of the way I promised God that I’d attend every church service I could. On the way back I redoubled my prayers

Later on in that same tour I was part of a patrol in South Armagh that was setting up an ambush on the back of some solid intelligence reports. Before we left camp they made us attend a church service where the Protestant vicar/priest told us that we would be doing Gods work by killing Catholics!!!

That was it for me, I was out of religion big style.

So now that youre out of organised religion,why not read the Bible and see what that has to offer you.I had similar feelings when I was diagnosed with cancer(cured now,thankfully),I had that fear rip through me,all the things that gave me security,health,money,family,bang,the ground fell beneath my feet,but I just eventually said a prayer to God to rescue me and then a great sense of peace followed on.Never spent any time worrying about cancer since that dsy

[the_nodding_donkey]

Sploom:

the maoster:

cav551:
As someone who reckons that most of the stories are fanciful to say the least, and that religion is to blame for a very sizeable chunk of the world’s troubles, I just wonder what our ex-military veteran members, who are ex Afghan or Iraq, have to say on this and how they felt at the time?

As an eighteen year old I was picked to do a “close confirmation “ of a car bomb just off of The Falls Road. A close confirmation involves quite simply walking up to the suspect vehicle and confirming whether or not it is actually a bomb (it was in this case) the reason I was picked according to the nice Paratrooper was that (a) I’m cheaper and more expendable than the ATO robot, and (b) I was the youngest!

They call it the long walk, and believe me it’s not only long but it’s lonely too. Every step of the way I promised God that I’d attend every church service I could. On the way back I redoubled my prayers

Later on in that same tour I was part of a patrol in South Armagh that was setting up an ambush on the back of some solid intelligence reports. Before we left camp they made us attend a church service where the Protestant vicar/priest told us that we would be doing Gods work by killing Catholics!!!

That was it for me, I was out of religion big style.

So now that youre out of organised religion,why not read the Bible and see what that has to offer you.I had similar feelings when I was diagnosed with cancer(cured now,thankfully),I had that fear rip through me,all the things that gave me security,health,money,family,bang,the ground fell beneath my feet,but I just eventually said a prayer to God to rescue me and then a great sense of peace followed on.Never spent any time worrying about cancer since that dsy

So, the cure to cancer is praying to god?

But, you must have done something bad for god to give you cancer in the first place.

[the_maoster]

^^^^ Firstly I’m pleased that you have recovered successfully from cancer and I hope (not pray) that it remains that way. Secondly, I’m not out of organised religion, I’m out of religion period. I was never into religion but had it forced upon me at school etc. The truth is I’ve witnessed too many body bags filled in the name of religion that I feel well placed to categorically state that there is no God, there is no higher being, it is all a big cosmic accident.