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Dr Damon:
Cavey the point of building this robobike is not to carry people. I am not going to go into any great detail because I do not have time but to ride a Moto GP bike with well over 200 bhp and capbable of speeds well in excess of 200mph takes an awful lot of skill, physical effort and a hell of lot of concentration. To get to the level of skill to ride one sucessfully takes years and years of practice and dedication.

If Yamaha can build a robobike which is capable of beating the best humans in the world what does that tell you? They are already almost there. It is already capable of beating most of us mere mortals.
That tells me robots can make a far better job than any human even with something as complex as racing a GP bike. They can also do that without having a heart attack, losing their temper or getting fatigued.

Do you see where it’s going? Over to you?

The technology for autonomous racing cars or even racing motorbike, while quite amazing, isn’t the biggest problems for those developing automated vehicles for road use. The biggest problem is getting it to interact safely with us, strange unpredictable humans, while we sort of accept road deaths and injuries from human controlled vehicles it’s unlikely that this will be accepted from autonomous vehicles.
I’m not just talking about autonomous vehicles sharing the roads with vehicles with drivers, actually they see that the first autonomous vehicles, especially trucks, will be used on in autonomous mode on motorways/highways, where traffic (should) be going the same direction and there aren’t pedestrians, cyclists and loads of junctions.

It would seem very probable for fully autonomous vehicles to actually work in the urban environment, it will require massive infrastructure changes to separate the autonomous vehicles from people and where this isn’t possible the speed of the vehicles will have to be reduced to very low levels. The problems is as humans we are not only unpredictable, but also will take advantage of our situation in an environment where vehicles are programmed to avoid a collision, so in a place with loads of pedestrians and cyclists you might find you autonomous vehicle comes to a standstill as each time it tries to move it has to avoid a person who knows it has to avoid them.

However large infrastructure changes have taken place in the past to accommodate new transport technology, the canal network was built to increase the speed and weight of goods moved inland, the rail network was built for similar reasons and also allowed people to move away from their places of employment and commute, and the Motorway network was built to supposedly allow rapid movement of people and freight.

As for the original link, like many of those articles, it has more to do with start up companies trying to attract shareholders or major industry buyers, as for this article published in Feb 2017, it made it look as the company had made some sort of break through, but Otto had already made it’s much publicised delivery of Beer, along a 120 miles of interstate, although the driver had to get it onto and off the Interstate and the truck was surrounded by Police and cars driven by Otto personal throughout the journey and the driver remained in the cab to take over control.

Why did Otto make this publicised run? Well Otto had been bought out by Uber and Uber is massively in debt and is reliant on its investors for its survival, publicity events like this keep them believing one day they will get their payout. However having seen some of the prices paid for these autonomous vehicles start-ups it reminds me of the Dot.com bubble.

From everything I’ve read and heard about autonomous trucks, at the moment most of the big players are working on Platooning technology and that will be with us very shortly, the fully autonomous, level 5, trucks are further away and as I said earlier might require infrastructure changes before it can be used universally, also the technology used for an autonomous car cannot be simply transferred onto a truck, the dynamic of a large goods vehicle are far different than they are for a car and that’s before we get into the social impact of mass automation of peoples jobs.

Why do truck drivers think that they are exempt from the drive to automate them out of existence? Go into any major warehouse today and you might struggle to find a human worker; Walmart has made most of their stock checkers redundant because a drone can do the job faster, more accurately and a lot cheaper.

Ye, there will always be driving jobs that resist automation - oversize loads for example, but most will eventually succumb to the march of progress, just as weavers lost their jobs 300 years ago when John Kay invented his ‘Flying Shuttle’, so drivers will have to find some other way (or other place) to earn a crust.

The first to go will be shunters - they will be replaced by a youth in an office with a computer - maybe the youth themself will be replaced eventually. The inter-depot trunking will be automated and lastly, store deliveries.

Amazon has been having fun with stories of drone deliveries, but I suspect that white-van-man will be around for a good while yet. Of course, he will not need to actually drive - just ride with the van to do the last few yards of the delivery.

This process is happening everywhere and is speeding up. I had a tour round Ford’s engine plant at Bridgend way back last century - it was an erie experience to see all that automation with barely a white coat to sort out any glitches. Have a good look at BMW’s engine plant in China and count how many workers they employ on the factory floor youtube.com/watch?v=-fnSnCGQZKk You can be sure that many of the back-office functions like sales, purchasing and invoicing all happen with minimal human intervention.

The biggest problem of all this is that when no workers at all are needed in manufacturing - where will the customers come from, and who will pay the taxes to support the unemployed.

Santa:
Why do truck drivers think that they are exempt from the drive to automate them out of existence? Go into any major warehouse today and you might struggle to find a human worker; Walmart has made most of their stock checkers redundant because a drone can do the job faster, more accurately and a lot cheaper.

Ye, there will always be driving jobs that resist automation - oversize loads for example, but most will eventually succumb to the march of progress, just as weavers lost their jobs 300 years ago when John Kay invented his ‘Flying Shuttle’, so drivers will have to find some other way (or other place) to earn a crust.

The first to go will be shunters - they will be replaced by a youth in an office with a computer - maybe the youth themself will be replaced eventually. The inter-depot trunking will be automated and lastly, store deliveries.

Amazon has been having fun with stories of drone deliveries, but I suspect that white-van-man will be around for a good while yet. Of course, he will not need to actually drive - just ride with the van to do the last few yards of the delivery.

This process is happening everywhere and is speeding up. I had a tour round Ford’s engine plant at Bridgend way back last century - it was an erie experience to see all that automation with barely a white coat to sort out any glitches. Have a good look at BMW’s engine plant in China and count how many workers they employ on the factory floor youtube.com/watch?v=-fnSnCGQZKk You can be sure that many of the back-office functions like sales, purchasing and invoicing all happen with minimal human intervention.

The biggest problem of all this is that when no workers at all are needed in manufacturing - where will the customers come from, and who will pay the taxes to support the unemployed.

The last paragraph says it all.
There exists a choice of next lines. Work out who’s posting them?
“Come the revolution!”
“But to be fair the obvious flaw is that the so called powers won’t let us…”
"But the IS fighters will have started a jihad and we’ll all be in a post apocalyptic society… "
“But I’ll be exempt as it’s me advising all these experts”
“But I’ll be exempt as my job is soo much harder than anyone else’s”
“But I’ll be exempt because I’m such a great driver”
■■

Trick question really. The last option could be any/all of us!

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Santa:
Why do truck drivers think that they are exempt from the drive to automate them out of existence?

Ye, there will always be driving jobs that resist automation - oversize loads for example, but most will eventually succumb to the march of progress, just as weavers lost their jobs 300 years ago when John Kay invented his ‘Flying Shuttle’, so drivers will have to find some other way (or other place) to earn a crust.

The first to go will be shunters - they will be replaced by a youth in an office with a computer - maybe the youth themself will be replaced eventually. The inter-depot trunking will be automated and lastly, store deliveries.

The biggest problem of all this is that when no workers at all are needed in manufacturing - where will the customers come from, and who will pay the taxes to support the unemployed.

The problem isn’t so much that driving will be automated, but so many jobs risk automation, estimates vary from 30 to 47%, including some very highly qualified jobs, and how society is going to handle this?

If it’s left to the free market, global economy then it will be about short term profit without any consideration for those who lose out the gap between the have and have-nots will increase and history shows that that is the seeds to bloody revolution, especially when have-nots include those with who are better educated and qualified.

Franglais:

Santa:
Why do truck drivers think that they are exempt from the drive to automate them out of existence? Go into any major warehouse today and you might struggle to find a human worker; Walmart has made most of their stock checkers redundant because a drone can do the job faster, more accurately and a lot cheaper.

Ye, there will always be driving jobs that resist automation - oversize loads for example, but most will eventually succumb to the march of progress, just as weavers lost their jobs 300 years ago when John Kay invented his ‘Flying Shuttle’, so drivers will have to find some other way (or other place) to earn a crust.

The first to go will be shunters - they will be replaced by a youth in an office with a computer - maybe the youth themself will be replaced eventually. The inter-depot trunking will be automated and lastly, store deliveries.

Amazon has been having fun with stories of drone deliveries, but I suspect that white-van-man will be around for a good while yet. Of course, he will not need to actually drive - just ride with the van to do the last few yards of the delivery.

This process is happening everywhere and is speeding up. I had a tour round Ford’s engine plant at Bridgend way back last century - it was an erie experience to see all that automation with barely a white coat to sort out any glitches. Have a good look at BMW’s engine plant in China and count how many workers they employ on the factory floor youtube.com/watch?v=-fnSnCGQZKk You can be sure that many of the back-office functions like sales, purchasing and invoicing all happen with minimal human intervention.

The biggest problem of all this is that when no workers at all are needed in manufacturing - where will the customers come from, and who will pay the taxes to support the unemployed.

The last paragraph says it all.
There exists a choice of next lines. Work out who’s posting them?
“Come the revolution!” That’ll be me then :laughing:
“But to be fair the obvious flaw is that the so called powers won’t let us…”
"But the IS fighters will have started a jihad and we’ll all be in a post apocalyptic society… "
“But I’ll be exempt as it’s me advising all these experts”
“But I’ll be exempt as my job is soo much harder than anyone else’s”
“But I’ll be exempt because I’m such a great driver”
■■

Trick question really. The last option could be any/all of us!

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Is that Comrade Muckles the Champagne Socialist from Sandringham?
Or Citizen “Wolfie” Muckles of Tooting?

Any more to confess there sins and apply for re-education?

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Franglais:
The last paragraph says it all.
There exists a choice of next lines. Work out who’s posting them?
“Come the revolution!”
“But to be fair the obvious flaw is that the so called powers won’t let us…”
"But the IS fighters will have started a jihad and we’ll all be in a post apocalyptic society… "
“But I’ll be exempt as it’s me advising all these experts”
“But I’ll be exempt as my job is soo much harder than anyone else’s”
“But I’ll be exempt because I’m such a great driver”
■■

Trick question really. The last option could be any/all of us!

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What would a revolution achieve - sending us all back to pre-industrial revolution times. or even earlier?
"a post apocalyptic society… "is not out of the question, but there is not really much we can do about it.
Becoming an expert is probably the way to go - but if you are old enough to drive a truck now - forget it.
Yes - as I said, there will still be a need for some “drivers”. It is uneconomic to fully automate something that rarely happens, so long/wide loads will still need a crew.
A really great driver could probably get work doing circus stunts.

Santa:

Franglais:
The last paragraph says it all.
There exists a choice of next lines. Work out who’s posting them?
“Come the revolution!”
“But to be fair the obvious flaw is that the so called powers won’t let us…”
"But the IS fighters will have started a jihad and we’ll all be in a post apocalyptic society… "
“But I’ll be exempt as it’s me advising all these experts”
“But I’ll be exempt as my job is soo much harder than anyone else’s”
“But I’ll be exempt because I’m such a great driver”
■■

Trick question really. The last option could be any/all of us!

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What would a revolution achieve - sending us all back to pre-industrial revolution times. or even earlier?
"a post apocalyptic society… "is not out of the question, but there is not really much we can do about it.
Becoming an expert is probably the way to go - but if you are old enough to drive a truck now - forget it.
Yes - as I said, there will still be a need for some “drivers”. It is uneconomic to fully automate something that rarely happens, so long/wide loads will still need a crew.
A really great driver could probably get work doing circus stunts.

It’s not what a Revolution achieves, normally for the normal person it replaces one totalitarian regime with another, but it’s what happens when a large section of society have very little and there is a small elite that have all the wealth and power.

muckles:

Santa:

Franglais:
The last paragraph says it all.
There exists a choice of next lines. Work out who’s posting them?
“Come the revolution!”
“But to be fair the obvious flaw is that the so called powers won’t let us…”
"But the IS fighters will have started a jihad and we’ll all be in a post apocalyptic society… "
“But I’ll be exempt as it’s me advising all these experts”
“But I’ll be exempt as my job is soo much harder than anyone else’s”
“But I’ll be exempt because I’m such a great driver”
■■

Trick question really. The last option could be any/all of us!

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What would a revolution achieve - sending us all back to pre-industrial revolution times. or even earlier?
"a post apocalyptic society… "is not out of the question, but there is not really much we can do about it.
Becoming an expert is probably the way to go - but if you are old enough to drive a truck now - forget it.
Yes - as I said, there will still be a need for some “drivers”. It is uneconomic to fully automate something that rarely happens, so long/wide loads will still need a crew.
A really great driver could probably get work doing circus stunts.

It’s not what a Revolution achieves, normally for the normal person it replaces one totalitarian regime with another, but it’s what happens when a large section of society have very little and there is a small elite that have all the wealth and power.

Probably true. Do people revolt for something better? Yes. But it’s when they perceive themselves to be really downtrodden and ANYTHING would be better that a spark will ignite the whole mess.

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Franglais:
Carryfast: to spell out what I meant: a two wheeled form of transport, (one that is small efficient and only needs carry one person) that doesn’t need a skilful rider/driver.

Let’s get this right the average taxi passenger would prefer to sit in the pouring rain or freezing snow on a robot bike.With all the aggro of having to concentrate and cooperate with and trust the robot rider when leaning through corners and negotiating hazards etc than go by robot taxi or just use a bicycle. :open_mouth: :laughing:

Which still leaves the question of paying for the fare in a world where automation v human jobs and wages has gone past the tipping point.Let alone the removal of what fun factor remained in driving/riding human controlled vehicles privately and/or for a living.It’s all a bleedin nightmare and pointless vision of the future however you look at it.All that to create a needless captive market so as to subsidise the equally pointless roles of those like Dr Damon.

Carryfast:

Franglais:
Carryfast: to spell out what I meant: a two wheeled form of transport, (one that is small efficient and only needs carry one person) that doesn’t need a skilful rider/driver.

Let’s get this right the average taxi passenger would prefer to sit in the pouring rain or freezing snow on a robot bike.With all the aggro of having to concentrate and cooperate with and trust the robot rider when leaning through corners and negotiating hazards etc than go by robot taxi or just use a bicycle. :open_mouth: [emoji38]

Which still leaves the question of paying for the fare in a world where automation v human jobs and wages has gone past the tipping point.Let alone the removal of what fun factor remained in driving/riding human controlled vehicles privately and/or for a living.It’s all a bleedin nightmare and pointless vision of the future however you look at it.All that to create a needless captive market so as to subsidise the equally pointless roles of those like Dr Damon.

The average passenger probably wants cheap quick and private. All there on a bike.
There are already bikes out there with weather protection but most current bikers are hairy arsed roughy toughy types who eschew such things. Some of the blokes on bikes are tough too.
There is no need for a human shaped robot rider for a passenger to hold onto.

Come on Carryfast ! Use your imagination a bit !

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Juddian:
All i can see is a lot of waffling ■■■■■■■■ hoping to attract dimwits with more money than sense to ‘‘invest’’ (lose) in the best snake oil movie ever made.

Why i’m replying to the forum troll i have no bloody idea :unamused:
slaps self round the kisser with a wet fish :neutral_face:

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Santa:
The biggest problem of all this is that when no workers at all are needed in manufacturing - where will the customers come from, and who will pay the taxes to support the unemployed.

I’d guess that there are proportionally more jobs in all modes of the transport sector from taxi drivers to train drivers vulnerable to automation,than in the manufacturing sector.Which will probably be the tipping point that proves the Luddites right.At which point the issue of wage levels will become increasingly obsolete.When the real issue is redundancy terms and out of work benefit levels paid for by the earnings of automation,in the form of corporation taxes.

Which still leaves the question of how does the private car/bike manufacturing and marketing industries,including the multi ££$$ tuning and classic/ enthusiast/competition markets,survive anyway in an environment in which no one is allowed to drive/ride nor use private transport,as described by Dr Damon.In addition to the knock on effects,of the loss of wages earn’t in the transport and automotive industry and marketing sectors,on other sectors of the economy.

IE Dr Damon’s plan will most likely result in the tipping point where automation makes itself redundant either because jobless workers don’t buy stuff.While removing the right to drive obviously also takes out a massive part of the automotive manufacturing and marketing sectors because most people buy cars/motorbikes because they like to drive/ride them and they choose to use private transport.

In which case given just the choice between the robot bus,bicycle or robot taxi most people will probably choose the cheaper former alternatives either by choice or necessity.That’s if they can even afford the bus fare in this jobless,joyless utopian nightmare. :open_mouth: :unamused:

Carryfast:

Santa:
The biggest problem of all this is that when no workers at all are needed in manufacturing - where will the customers come from, and who will pay the taxes to support the unemployed.

I’d guess that there are proportionally more jobs in all modes of the transport sector from taxi drivers to train drivers vulnerable to automation,than in the manufacturing sector.Which will probably be the tipping point that proves the Luddites right.At which point the issue of wage levels will become increasingly obsolete.When the real issue is redundancy terms and out of work benefit levels paid for by the earnings of automation,in the form of corporation taxes.

Which still leaves the question of how does the private car/bike manufacturing and marketing industries,including the multi ££$$ tuning and classic/ enthusiast/competition markets,survive anyway in an environment in which no one is allowed to drive/ride nor use private transport,as described by Dr Damon.In addition to the knock on effects,of the loss of wages earn’t in the transport and automotive industry and marketing sectors,on other sectors of the economy.

IE Dr Damon’s plan will most likely result in the tipping point where automation makes itself redundant either because jobless workers don’t buy stuff.While removing the right to drive obviously also takes out a massive part of the automotive manufacturing and marketing sectors because most people buy cars/motorbikes because they like to drive/ride them and they choose to use private transport.

In which case given just the choice between the robot bus,bicycle or robot taxi most people will probably choose the cheaper former alternatives either by choice or necessity.That’s if they can even afford the bus fare in this jobless,joyless utopian nightmare. :open_mouth: :unamused:

It ain’t my plan fella.

Franglais:

Carryfast:

Franglais:
Carryfast: to spell out what I meant: a two wheeled form of transport, (one that is small efficient and only needs carry one person) that doesn’t need a skilful rider/driver.

Let’s get this right the average taxi passenger would prefer to sit in the pouring rain or freezing snow on a robot bike.With all the aggro of having to concentrate and cooperate with and trust the robot rider when leaning through corners and negotiating hazards etc than go by robot taxi or just use a bicycle. :open_mouth: [emoji38]

Which still leaves the question of paying for the fare in a world where automation v human jobs and wages has gone past the tipping point.Let alone the removal of what fun factor remained in driving/riding human controlled vehicles privately and/or for a living.It’s all a bleedin nightmare and pointless vision of the future however you look at it.All that to create a needless captive market so as to subsidise the equally pointless roles of those like Dr Damon.

The average passenger probably wants cheap quick and private. All there on a bike.
There are already bikes out there with weather protection but most current bikers are hairy arsed roughy toughy types who eschew such things. Some of the blokes on bikes are tough too.
There is no need for a human shaped robot rider for a passenger to hold onto.

Come on Carryfast ! Use your imagination a bit !

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Like some others on here Carryfast only sees it his way. No other way is possible.

Franglais:

Captain Caveman 76:

Dr Damon:
Cavey the point of building this robobike is not to carry people. I am not going to go into any great detail because I do not have time but to ride a Moto GP bike with well over 200 bhp and capbable of speeds well in excess of 200mph takes an awful lot of skill, physical effort and a hell of lot of concentration. To get to the level of skill to ride one sucessfully takes years and years of practice and dedication.

If Yamaha can build a robobike which is capable of beating the best humans in the world what does that tell you? They are already almost there. It is already capable of beating most of us mere mortals.
That tells me robots can make a far better job than any human even with something as complex as racing a GP bike. They can also do that without having a heart attack, losing their temper or getting fatigued.

Do you see where it’s going? Over to you?

So, theoretically speaking, you’d have a perfect racing machine that does everything perfectly. It outperforms humans so there’s no point racing one because you’d never beat it. Since any other robobike would also be perfect and do everything exactly as it should without making mistakes, there’s no point racing against that either. So you have a perfect racing machine that is pointless racing.

Your scientists are so preoccupied with whether they could, they didn’t stop to think if they should. (Ian Malcolm, Jurassic Park, 1993).

What I actually meant in my question was; would YOU ride a motorbike that did everything for you? As in commuting or for fun.

An automated bike for fun? Of course not.
An automated bike (a safe one) for commuting? With a little bit of weather protection, in an increasingly densely populated urban environment. . I can see a market there.

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That already exists. Its called a bus.

Carryfast:

Dr Damon:

Carryfast:

Dr Damon:
Hey Maoster on another subject did you hear Yamaha have built a robotic bike and it did a lap against The Doctor.
The Doc won by 30 secs but Yamaha are adamant they can build a bike soon that can beat any human!

Impressive or what!

So tell us what’s the point of this robot bike.Are you seriously suggesting that any biker will buy one so he can sit at home watching the tele or talking about his robot bike with fellow robot bike enthusiasts on a robot bike forum.While it drives itself round the Isle of Man etc.Oh wait I’ve got it they all buy a robot bike for its own amusement then use a bicycle for themselves.Have you actually thought this through. :unamused:

Surely you can work that one out by yourself. :unamused: Maybe not.

No I don’t get it.Assuming you’re saying that it will still need a human rider to lean it into the corners and keep the handle bars straight ?.While it does all the other fun stuff like the skill of knowing when to apply the power and how much and correcting power slides and timing of usphifts and downshifts and correct braking inputs ?.Or maybe that’s also too much for it. I’m struggling to see the point of it all either way other than a pointless charity exercise to pay a bunch of control freak nerds to fix something that isn’t broke and a solution to a non existent problem.

With the lose lose in all cases of cutting ( cheating ) humans out of a previously enjoyable pastime and use of the human brain if not also their living. :confused:

When did I say it will need a human to lean it into corners? And none of what you mention is too much for it. The robobike would already do it a lot better than the average human being and soon will be able to do it better than the top current riders in the world.

Now forget racing just think what they can achieve in transport in coming years. No fatigue,no heart attacks, no road rage, far less fatalities (if any) and everything carried out proficiently without mistakes.

What a wonderful world it will be!

the nodding donkey:

Franglais:

Captain Caveman 76:

Dr Damon:
Cavey the point of building this robobike is not to carry people. I am not going to go into any great detail because I do not have time but to ride a Moto GP bike with well over 200 bhp and capbable of speeds well in excess of 200mph takes an awful lot of skill, physical effort and a hell of lot of concentration. To get to the level of skill to ride one sucessfully takes years and years of practice and dedication.

If Yamaha can build a robobike which is capable of beating the best humans in the world what does that tell you? They are already almost there. It is already capable of beating most of us mere mortals.
That tells me robots can make a far better job than any human even with something as complex as racing a GP bike. They can also do that without having a heart attack, losing their temper or getting fatigued.

Do you see where it’s going? Over to you?

So, theoretically speaking, you’d have a perfect racing machine that does everything perfectly. It outperforms humans so there’s no point racing one because you’d never beat it. Since any other robobike would also be perfect and do everything exactly as it should without making mistakes, there’s no point racing against that either. So you have a perfect racing machine that is pointless racing.

Your scientists are so preoccupied with whether they could, they didn’t stop to think if they should. (Ian Malcolm, Jurassic Park, 1993).

What I actually meant in my question was; would YOU ride a motorbike that did everything for you? As in commuting or for fun.

An automated bike for fun? Of course not.
An automated bike (a safe one) for commuting? With a little bit of weather protection, in an increasingly densely populated urban environment. . I can see a market there.

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That already exists. Its called a bus.

Ha and how long do you wait for them only to be jerked back and forward by someone who cannot use air brakes properly!

Dr Damon:

Carryfast:

Dr Damon:

Carryfast:
So tell us what’s the point of this robot bike.Are you seriously suggesting that any biker will buy one so he can sit at home watching the tele or talking about his robot bike with fellow robot bike enthusiasts on a robot bike forum.While it drives itself round the Isle of Man etc.Oh wait I’ve got it they all buy a robot bike for its own amusement then use a bicycle for themselves.Have you actually thought this through. :unamused:

Surely you can work that one out by yourself. :unamused: Maybe not.

No I don’t get it.Assuming you’re saying that it will still need a human rider to lean it into the corners and keep the handle bars straight ?.While it does all the other fun stuff like the skill of knowing when to apply the power and how much and correcting power slides and timing of usphifts and downshifts and correct braking inputs ?.Or maybe that’s also too much for it. I’m struggling to see the point of it all either way other than a pointless charity exercise to pay a bunch of control freak nerds to fix something that isn’t broke and a solution to a non existent problem.

With the lose lose in all cases of cutting ( cheating ) humans out of a previously enjoyable pastime and use of the human brain if not also their living. :confused:

When did I say it will need a human to lean it into corners? And none of what you mention is too much for it. The robobike would already do it a lot better than the average human being and soon will be able to do it better than the top current riders in the world.

Now forget racing just think what they can achieve in transport in coming years. No fatigue,no heart attacks, no road rage, far less fatalities (if any) and everything carried out proficiently without mistakes.

What a wonderful world it will be!

The problem with the boffins is, that they will create a world that doesn’t need humans…

the nodding donkey:

Franglais:

Captain Caveman 76:

Dr Damon:
Cavey the point of building this robobike is not to carry people. I am not going to go into any great detail because I do not have time but to ride a Moto GP bike with well over 200 bhp and capbable of speeds well in excess of 200mph takes an awful lot of skill, physical effort and a hell of lot of concentration. To get to the level of skill to ride one sucessfully takes years and years of practice and dedication.

If Yamaha can build a robobike which is capable of beating the best humans in the world what does that tell you? They are already almost there. It is already capable of beating most of us mere mortals.
That tells me robots can make a far better job than any human even with something as complex as racing a GP bike. They can also do that without having a heart attack, losing their temper or getting fatigued.

Do you see where it’s going? Over to you?

So, theoretically speaking, you’d have a perfect racing machine that does everything perfectly. It outperforms humans so there’s no point racing one because you’d never beat it. Since any other robobike would also be perfect and do everything exactly as it should without making mistakes, there’s no point racing against that either. So you have a perfect racing machine that is pointless racing.

Your scientists are so preoccupied with whether they could, they didn’t stop to think if they should. (Ian Malcolm, Jurassic Park, 1993).

What I actually meant in my question was; would YOU ride a motorbike that did everything for you? As in commuting or for fun.

An automated bike for fun? Of course not.
An automated bike (a safe one) for commuting? With a little bit of weather protection, in an increasingly densely populated urban environment. . I can see a market there.

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That already exists. Its called a bus.

But we’re talking about a vehicle that will come to you as a taxi would, and you wouldn’t have to sit next to the village idiot. Being smaller lighter and more manoeuvrable than a car type taxi it’ll be cheaper nippiier and more energy efficient.

Look, if you want it explained better I’m inviting mu… discerning investors to a symposium in Billy’s Bar soon. Free soggy plastic wrapped sandwiches will be provided. Just bring along your cheque books.

It will probably come sooner than many on here think. Good or bad I’m not sure at all, but it’ll come.

As an aside heard an interesting line: We thought It’d be near impossible to build a computer to play chess well. Now we can beat Grand Masters. But we can’t yet design a computer/robot to make a cup of tea in a strange kitchen.
Maybe goes to disprove what I’ve been asserting?
Are wr chess Masters or tea makers?

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