UKtramp:
You are wasting your time Dr Damon, you cannot educate some people, I find it disheartening as whatever you know different, there will always be the ones who disbelieve in which that in itself is fine. The disheartening part is when you get called every name under the sun by some delinquent who thinks they know better. I am a refrigeration consultant with a worldwide reputation and was willing to give some useful information on reefers which would be helpful to some even just interesting to others. What do I get for this in return, called a troll, I don’t know anything. Sad really when you can offer something to help de mystify certain aspects of the job. Don’t waste your time, your not going to get any thanks for it, the few on here that are intelligent enough to take note or debate with you, get down trodden by the many fools on here who cannot see beyond their noses. The decent guys on here are evident but their posts are becoming fewer due to they cannot be doing with it either.
A refrigeration consultant with a worldwide reputation who clearly doesn’t know the difference between your and you’re. Nob.
the nodding donkey:
Dr Damon:
Carryfast:
Dr Damon:
The article I could not post the other night can still not be posted but for anyone that’s interested have a read…same sheinman story but shorter version.
ENJOY… 
Let’s assume the nerds actually succeed in their plan.
Do you really expect us all to rejoice and celebrate their plan to stop us all doing what we like to do being driving things. 
No and that’s the problem really. It it was all about truck drivers getting their wages doubled there would be no pathetic answers and derogatory comments.
A lot of this has been brought on by ourselves (the human race) so stop complaining and think of the positives. Main one is lives will be saved.
I don’t think you actually realise that the article that you have linked to, is a big and clever worded advertisement for mr. Sheinman’s investment company, which is based on the old “it’s new, it’s high tech, it’s the future, invest and get rich” etos, where waffle and hot air are whipped up by a man wearing thin spectacles into a frenzy, sold for $billions, and quietly forgotten about when it turns out to be a white elephant.
Self driving trucks will not take away our jobs in our, and probably not our children’s lifetime. It will need a full overhaul of the whole infastructure of transport, including passenger transport and private transport. You can not design/programme a truck that can deliver 20 packs of plywood to a building site in the city…
Oh do you not,well sorry but I do and I also know that jobs are not safe in the longer term. No you cannot design a truck to deliver to a building site but in the long run that is not the way it will work.
There will be gradual changes in the next ten years and if all goes well then everything will start moving a lot faster with very big changes.
As I said before everyone is thinking along the same lines as yourself but in reality it’s not gonna happen that way.
Carryfast:
Dr Damon:
As much as I find the future fascinating it also makes me quite sad because deep down I am one big petrol head!
So you’re saying that if you told any/every so called ‘petrol head’ and professional driver that they/we all have to hand their/our driving licences in with immediate effect,they’d/we’d find it fascinating although they’d/we’d also just be ‘quite sad’ about it.You’re avin a larf.When any true so called ‘petrol head’,would see the idea for what what it actually is.That being an abhorrent invasion and removal of accepted freedoms.All to make a few nerds and investors better off.Ironically many of the world’s ‘investor’s’ of course being so called petrol heads themselves who’d find a massive empty missing space,where they once chose to spend the cash,that those investments earn’t,for their enjoyment.
As I said this isn’t going to result in some small scale bs Luddite type protest.In this case there are way more potential losers than winners spanning every sector of society and the economy from taxi,bus and truck drivers to ( very ) rich and influential car enthusiasts.In which the removal of the freedom to drive would have equally massive implications.
As usual Carryfast you have it all wrong in your head. Drivers will not have to hand in their licenses but they will not be let loose to cause accidents as they do now.
Instead of dreaming up how everything is going to happen just wait and see. Definitely more winners than losers as well.
UKtramp:
You are wasting your time Dr Damon, you cannot educate some people, I find it disheartening as whatever you know different, there will always be the ones who disbelieve in which that in itself is fine. The disheartening part is when you get called every name under the sun by some delinquent who thinks they know better. I am a refrigeration consultant with a worldwide reputation and was willing to give some useful information on reefers which would be helpful to some even just interesting to others. What do I get for this in return, called a troll, I don’t know anything. Sad really when you can offer something to help de mystify certain aspects of the job. Don’t waste your time, your not going to get any thanks for it, the few on here that are intelligent enough to take note or debate with you, get down trodden by the many fools on here who cannot see beyond their noses. The decent guys on here are evident but their posts are becoming fewer due to they cannot be doing with it either.
A refrigeration consultant with a worldwide reputation you say…how on earth did you end up at the bottom of the truck drivers pile working for stobrats!!!
I enjoy it. I haven’t ended up driving for Stobart because I have hit a brick wall. Big difference, I chose too.
irc5468:
UKtramp:
You are wasting your time Dr Damon, you cannot educate some people, I find it disheartening as whatever you know different, there will always be the ones who disbelieve in which that in itself is fine. The disheartening part is when you get called every name under the sun by some delinquent who thinks they know better. I am a refrigeration consultant with a worldwide reputation and was willing to give some useful information on reefers which would be helpful to some even just interesting to others. What do I get for this in return, called a troll, I don’t know anything. Sad really when you can offer something to help de mystify certain aspects of the job. Don’t waste your time, your not going to get any thanks for it, the few on here that are intelligent enough to take note or debate with you, get down trodden by the many fools on here who cannot see beyond their noses. The decent guys on here are evident but their posts are becoming fewer due to they cannot be doing with it either.
A refrigeration consultant with a worldwide reputation who clearly doesn’t know the difference between your and you’re. Nob.
I am sure he does irc but why does that make him a nob? Clearly there are a lot of nobs on here who cannot even string a sentence together and do not even have the ability to discuss a subject but you pick on Uk tramp who is 10 times more interesting than some.
Maybe you are a little jealous of his ability?
By the way UK tramp after reading your post I will tell you before I joined this forum I observed it for a long time just out of interest.
When I decided to join I decided my forum name would be my nickname which is used by all my friends and even most of my family.
They call me Doc simply because my initials are DRD.
Since joining it has amazed me at some of the derogotory comments just because I called myself Dr Damon. One poster the other day said no way I drove a truck as I worded things differently or something stupid like that and all because of my forum name.(unbelievable)
Some on here really crack me up. Can you imagine if my initials had been PC!
Oh do you not,well sorry but I do and I also know that jobs are not safe in the longer term. No you cannot design a truck to deliver to a building site but in the long run that is not the way it will work.
There will be gradual changes in the next ten years and if all goes well then everything will start moving a lot faster with very big changes.
As I said before everyone is thinking along the same lines as yourself but in reality it’s not gonna happen that way
I’m in no doubt, that at some time in the future (and possibly sooner than we forsee), driving will be automated to a greater degree. We already have had cruise control for decades, and now the addition of radar and automatic brakes has given us adaptive cruise control, which, once the steering can be reliably integrated, will give us a true ‘auto pilot’ to drive down long tedious roads. From that, it is only a small step to connect the ‘auto pilot’ to a GPS/Sat Nav, and enter the destination where you want the truck (or car) to go. Of that there is no doubt in my mind, and like the cruise control, it will help to make our life a bit easier.
But the crucial stumble block is integration. It is impossible to factor in every little detail that we process every second of every day. Other, non automated, vehicles are one problem. Unexpected obstructions in the road. And what when you arrive at your destination. You can not integrate an automated system with a busy industrial estate. Or the A406 Hanger Lane. Or a housewife on the school run on the B4396,blocking the lane, shouting at the automated truck that ‘it shouldn’t be there…’. Until all (transport) infastructure is completely integrated, and that means abolishing all private autonomous transport, we are going to need drivers to be on hand.
the nodding donkey:
Oh do you not,well sorry but I do and I also know that jobs are not safe in the longer term. No you cannot design a truck to deliver to a building site but in the long run that is not the way it will work.
There will be gradual changes in the next ten years and if all goes well then everything will start moving a lot faster with very big changes.
As I said before everyone is thinking along the same lines as yourself but in reality it’s not gonna happen that way
I’m in no doubt, that at some time in the future (and possibly sooner than we forsee), driving will be automated to a greater degree. We already have had cruise control for decades, and now the addition of radar and automatic brakes has given us adaptive cruise control, which, once the steering can be reliably integrated, will give us a true ‘auto pilot’ to drive down long tedious roads. From that, it is only a small step to connect the ‘auto pilot’ to a GPS/Sat Nav, and enter the destination where you want the truck (or car) to go. Of that there is no doubt in my mind, and like the cruise control, it will help to make our life a bit easier.
But the crucial stumble block is integration. It is impossible to factor in every little detail that we process every second of every day. Other, non automated, vehicles are one problem. Unexpected obstructions in the road. And what when you arrive at your destination. You can not integrate an automated system with a busy industrial estate. Or the A406 Hanger Lane. Or a housewife on the school run on the B4396,blocking the lane, shouting at the automated truck that ‘it shouldn’t be there…’. Until all (transport) infastructure is completely integrated, and that means abolishing all private autonomous transport, we are going to need drivers to be on hand.
You are quite correct,there are many problems to overcome but a lot have been resolved already.
Now you are on the right lines when you say about abolishing private transport .Eventually there will be no private vehicles on the roads and that’s 100% going to happen whether we like it or not.
“No private vehicles on the roads”. Now that is a bold statement Doc, I don’t doubt for one minute that that would be the ideal solution, but if you think that the Americans jealousy hold onto their right to bear arms trying to take their guns away would be far less problematic that trying to take their cars from them!
What everyone is forgetting is the coming civil and religious wars in vast swathes of europe, which may well trigger the inevitable escalation of the USA, Russia (with their new and incalcubly rich Arab allies) and China as they wrestle for control of the worlds natural resources.
What some here forsee as the wonderful one govt utopian future via their rose tint specs is going to be vastly different after WW3, autonomous vehicles will play their part but they will more likely be militarized things traversing the now almost uninhabitable wastelands, much like unmanned drones now traverse the skies dealing death and destruction, where the once again resorted to tribal survivors eek out a meagre existence killing each other for scraps.
Mad Max a more likely scenario than Terminator, though in all scenarios proletariat human life will be cheap, much like it already is for those not establishment or elite especially where socialism, even if it calls itself conservatism, it isn’t, rules.
The world cannot sustain nor pay for the uncontrollable population growths from the third world, the mass exodus from such places has only just begun, it will become an unstoppable flood in a faster time frame than people might imagine.
Dr Damon:
You are quite correct,there are many problems to overcome but a lot have been resolved already.
Now you are on the right lines when you say about abolishing private transport .Eventually there will be no private vehicles on the roads and that’s 100% going to happen whether we like it or not.
So exactly how doesn’t that mean the same thing as removing the freedom to drive as I said along the lines of summary removal of driving licences ?.Petrol head bs.More like anti car control freak.While the idea of anyone thinking that this agenda isn’t all about removing all drivers from the scene is deluded.What transport operator is going to want to pay for all this technology in addition to still having to pay the driver’s wages.While if you’re saying that the technology can’t work without a driver then how does that fit the definition of automation.
Re: Here it is…
Unread postby UKtramp » Tue Oct 31, 2017 12:12 am
You are wasting your time Dr Damon, you cannot educate some people, I find it disheartening as whatever you know different, there will always be the ones who disbelieve in which that in itself is fine. The disheartening part is when you get called every name under the sun by some delinquent who thinks they know better. I am a refrigeration consultant with a worldwide reputation and was willing to give some useful information on reefers which would be helpful to some even just interesting to others. What do I get for this in return, called a troll, I don’t know anything. Sad really when you can offer something to help de mystify certain aspects of the job. Don’t waste your time, your not going to get any thanks for it, the few on here that are intelligent enough to take note or debate with you, get down trodden by the many fools on here who cannot see beyond their noses. The decent guys on here are evident but their posts are becoming fewer due to they cannot be doing with it either.
if thats what y think y come on here
Reckitt & Colman and United Carriers had autonomy 40 years ago, the trucks were running round the site unmanned, in the case of UCL they delivered parcels to the right trunk.
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Dr Damon:
You are quite correct,there are many problems to overcome but a lot have been resolved already.
Now you are on the right lines when you say about abolishing private transport .Eventually there will be no private vehicles on the roads and that’s 100% going to happen whether we like it or not.
This is brilliant!!!
You really think the UK government would allow this to happen,how exactly would it then offset the billions of pounds lost on fuel duty/road tax every year?!
xichrisxi:
Dr Damon:
You are quite correct,there are many problems to overcome but a lot have been resolved already.
Now you are on the right lines when you say about abolishing private transport .Eventually there will be no private vehicles on the roads and that’s 100% going to happen whether we like it or not.
This is brilliant!!!
You really think the UK government would allow this to happen,how exactly would it then offset the billions of pounds lost on fuel duty/road tax every year?!
They certainly will allow it, they actually will not have a choice.
It certainly will not happen overnight but it WILL happen in the next couple of decades.
xichrisxi:
Dr Damon:
Now you are on the right lines when you say about abolishing private transport .Eventually there will be no private vehicles on the roads and that’s 100% going to happen whether we like it or not.
This is brilliant!!!
You really think the UK government would allow this to happen,how exactly would it then offset the billions of pounds lost on fuel duty/road tax every year?!
Not to mention the electoral fallout when everyone is told to surrender their driving licence unless they can show an essential reason to keep it.Although to be fair I really do think that the government is mad enough to actually do it. 
Although if it was going to happen then surely the anti car loon running London would have already banned all non essential private car use within London’s borders.At which point we’d see a mass exodus to outside of the zb hole’s borders as his ‘loyal’ subjects all vote with their feet,or is that car keys. 
the maoster:
“No private vehicles on the roads”. Now that is a bold statement Doc, I don’t doubt for one minute that that would be the ideal solution, but if you think that the Americans jealousy hold onto their right to bear arms trying to take their guns away would be far less problematic that trying to take their cars from them!
Hey Maoster on another subject did you hear Yamaha have built a robotic bike and it did a lap against The Doctor.
The Doc won by 30 secs but Yamaha are adamant they can build a bike soon that can beat any human!
Impressive or what!
Dr Damon:
the maoster:
“No private vehicles on the roads”. Now that is a bold statement Doc, I don’t doubt for one minute that that would be the ideal solution, but if you think that the Americans jealousy hold onto their right to bear arms trying to take their guns away would be far less problematic that trying to take their cars from them!
Hey Maoster on another subject did you hear Yamaha have built a robotic bike and it did a lap against The Doctor.
The Doc won by 30 secs but Yamaha are adamant they can build a bike soon that can beat any human!
Impressive or what!
So tell us what’s the point of this robot bike.Are you seriously suggesting that any biker will buy one so he can sit at home watching the tele or talking about his robot bike with fellow robot bike enthusiasts on a robot bike forum.While it drives itself round the Isle of Man etc.Oh wait I’ve got it they all buy a robot bike for its own amusement then use a bicycle for themselves.Have you actually thought this through.
I saw that in MCN or some other. It is impressive no doubt, but I reckon they’d struggle to fill the grandstands with spectators though . Mind you, I think they’ll struggle to do that once Vale retires anyway.