Wayne number 2 ha ha a ha ha.how many TM’s no the rules well enough for that.
Long distance clara:
Wayne number 2 ha ha a ha ha.how many TM’s no the rules well enough for that.
I did say SUPPOSED.
That’s why the infringement reports exist, they get a stack, get the driver to come in, say “you have these infringements, do you need any of them explaining?” - most of mine are “You’ve got 65 overspeeds in the last month, max speed 94kph, are you aware this is against the law??” my reply "Nope 
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I’ve had a few with odd minutes over, and left my tacho in about 3 times in the last 5 years too, do I need those explaining? Nope, Do they warrant dCPC? Nope.
I’ve done all 35hrs dCPC in 1 week, but I’d also done 7hrs a few months before I did the complete course, so have 42hrs dCPC, then did my ADR too which could’ve counted as another 21hrs dCPC, and I’ve learnt NOTHING.
If I need to go on a ferry and have to use the mode, I’ll end up asking the question or finding out the information, because it was irrelevent so didn’t sink in, everything else I already knew because it was relevent so I found it out
In reality there’s no need for the DCPC training in it’s current form, for any current classroom training that’s taking place there’s no reason why a driver could not refresh or gain the required knowledge by studying in his own time or in companies time where that’s agreed, and doing a short test every few years to ensure the knowledge has been absorbed.
A system like this would be far more benefit than the current system where you have to attend a lecture by someone who may or may not know what he’s talking about, but of course it probably wouldn’t raise as much revenue.
It’s easy for people who are making a business out of the DCPC training to dismiss anyone who disagrees with it as moaners but where is the justification of the current system or the expense that goes with it, isn’t it about time the trainers explained to us why the current system is so much more beneficial than a simple system whereby a driver absorbs knowledge and takes a short test to show that he has the required knowledge without any of this unnecessary course attendance.
Some of us aren’t against ongoing training we’re just against the money making scheme that’s now in existence
Firstly wayne, I honestly do nt believe for 1 second in 42 hrs of training you learned nothing. If that is true I do believe it is possible to shut off to learning and not allow yourself to learn.
Tacho people like yourself argue the point well others just moan. The current format does need changing I agree but is that down to JAUPT or trainers and companys not working together. Price is the issue here and is what dictates a course not how it is run, content or relevance.
Test would be great but imo the day would be longer to allow for the test and also the retest for again imo the amount of people who would fail it because of their attitude towards learning. As for reading up on legislation yourself and doing a test imo I do not think many would bother as wayne said he basically knows it all already.
Long distance clara:
Firstly wayne, I honestly do nt believe for 1 second in 42 hrs of training you learned nothing. If that is true I do believe it is possible to shut off to learning and not allow yourself to learn.
Tacho people like yourself argue the point well others just moan. The current format does need changing I agree but is that down to JAUPT or trainers and companys not working together. Price is the issue here and is what dictates a course not how it is run, content or relevance.Test would be great but imo the day would be longer to allow for the test and also the retest for again imo the amount of people who would fail it because of their attitude towards learning. As for reading up on legislation yourself and doing a test imo I do not think many would bother as wayne said he basically knows it all already.
Why?
I never said I didn’t learn anything at the time, just that I haven’t learnt anything that’s stuck because it’s irrelevent to me.
If or when it becomes relevent, I’ll have to find out the info myself AGAIN, same as if I didn’t do the dCPC in the 1st place.
Everything relevent, I already knew, because it’s my job to find it out to stay legal, there’s some amazing sites around with information, and amazing people on sites like this to answer questions if you don’t understand the info on the other sites.
Long distance clara:
The current format does need changing I agree but is that down to JAUPT or trainers and companys not working together.
Neither, it’s down to the ridiculous way the EU set up the regulations for the DCPC
Long distance clara:
Price is the issue here and is what dictates a course not how it is run, content or relevance.
But that’s my point, in my opinion there is no need for a compulsory formal course for any of the current courses that are classroom based as a driver could learn by self study.
Of course other people may disagree with me on this but I’m a firm believer that for most people self study or home study if you prefer is the best and most efficient way to learn and absorb knowledge.
All the information is out there these days and can be obtained easily and for free.
Long distance clara:
Test would be great but imo the day would be longer to allow for the test and also the retest for again imo the amount of people who would fail it because of their attitude towards learning.
I’m not advocating a test at the end of a formal course I’m suggesting a system of home study or where a company agrees work-time study and a short test every few years to ensure the driver has kept up with modern regulations/techniques ec’t.
Long distance clara:
As for reading up on legislation yourself and doing a test imo I do not think many would bother
If people didn’t bother to do the research and keep up-to date on modern ways/regulations/technique they would indeed fail the test and after a period to allow them to catch up and do a retest would not be able to drive.
Surely the EU stated purpose of the DCPC is to raise the profile and skill level of the driver thereby increasing road safety and fuel efficiency and to encourage young people to enter the road transport industry as LGV drivers, anyone who couldn’t be bothered to learn over lets say a 5 year period would be forced out of the job leaving room for people who are interested in becoming better at their job, though frankly in reality I suspect only a very small minority of die-hard fools would actually be forced out of the industry 
AS I see it the EU stated purpose of the DCPC would be fulfilled by the system I’m suggesting and at a much lower cost to the industry both in monetary terms and in terms of inconvenience when drivers are on courses, where the current system is inefficient and costly to the transport industry and in many cases to the individual drivers.
Whilst the current system of course attendance may have some effect in raising the drivers skill and knowledge level for some drivers, it will do nothing to raise the profile of the professional driver in the long run because whilst attendance is compulsory, learning isn’t, clearly the opposite should be the case, keeping up with modern ways and regulations through study/learning should be compulsory and course attendance should not because it doesn’t fulfil the mandate of increasing road safety or anything else that the DCPC EU directive claims that the drivers certificate of professional competence is set-up for.
The only reason cpc was introduced was to get money out of drivers! Why? Because lgv drivers took part in fuel blockades in the year 2000 halting the governments planned duty increases, so to get it’s own back it introduced cpc!
So don’t think all the BS about health and safety are real
I did the intelligence insulting EPIC course. Learnt nothing because it was the same as before. Same crap cyclist safety video with the terminally up herself Penny " I’ve driven a rally car whoopie do" Mallory, and lots of lectures about tipping tarmac (which we don’t do so why waffle about it?
Ah I know, take that out plus the nauseating introductions and the course wouldn’t last half a day.
bee chris:
i have the DCPC, its £69 per 7 hours over 5 days, £345, i can do mine on sat so no lose of income. but its a waste of money. i know they wont put this on car drivers too many voters .
of course your losing income you earn the wage to pay it back out to do your job vicious cycle that
containers_only:
The only reason cpc was introduced was to get money out of drivers! Why? Because lgv drivers took part in fuel blockades in the year 2000 halting the governments planned duty increases, so to get it’s own back it introduced cpc!So don’t think all the BS about health and safety are real
The Driver CPC was actually introduced because of EU Directive 2003/59/EC, so unless the fuel blockade was EU wide which it wasn’t I’m afraid your theory doesn’t hold water
I do to some extent agree that the idea of it being for road safety ec’t is BS but I was just quoting what JAUPT and the EU bureaucrats claim.
JAUPT:
Just Another Useless Poxy Tax
Long distance clara:
Firstly wayne, I honestly do nt believe for 1 second in 42 hrs of training you learned nothing. If that is true I do believe it is possible to shut off to learning and not allow yourself to learn.Tacho people like yourself argue the point well others just moan. The current format does need changing I agree but is that down to JAUPT or trainers and companys not working together. Price is the issue here and is what dictates a course not how it is run, content or relevance.
Test would be great but imo the day would be longer to allow for the test and also the retest for again imo the amount of people who would fail it because of their attitude towards learning. As for reading up on legislation yourself and doing a test imo I do not think many would bother as wayne said he basically knows it all already.
Wasting your time Clara. Some drivers know everything about their job. See them everyday on the road or in the waiting rooms spilling out the same old drivel. You can’t polish a turd but you can roll it in glitter 
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yellowasp:
Long distance clara:
Firstly wayne, I honestly do nt believe for 1 second in 42 hrs of training you learned nothing. If that is true I do believe it is possible to shut off to learning and not allow yourself to learn.Tacho people like yourself argue the point well others just moan. The current format does need changing I agree but is that down to JAUPT or trainers and companys not working together. Price is the issue here and is what dictates a course not how it is run, content or relevance.
Test would be great but imo the day would be longer to allow for the test and also the retest for again imo the amount of people who would fail it because of their attitude towards learning. As for reading up on legislation yourself and doing a test imo I do not think many would bother as wayne said he basically knows it all already.
Wasting your time Clara. Some drivers know everything about their job. See them everyday on the road or in the waiting rooms spilling out the same old drivel. You can’t polish a turd but you can roll it in glitter
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If you’re referring to me there yellowasp, then surely it’s my job to know everything about my job, and if I don’t know it, to find it out.
As I’ve said in my previous posts, I know NOTHING more now after doing 42hrs dCPC (63 if you count the 21hrs ADR which I didn’t have logged due to having already completed my 35 required and it would’ve gained me NOTHING) than I did before, this is because I’d ask questions, do research and take pride in the job.
For gods sake man, it’s not rocket science, some things are complicated so it’s nice to have them put in laymans terms, some things are irrelevent so are soon forgotten.
I did my ADR course with someone who is highly regarded as one of, if not the, best instructors in the country, you know what I remember from that?? It’s not your job… Pretty much sums it up.
And that’s a course I paid for, was interested in, and was relevent to me at the time, yet 99% of it was irrelevent information, and the other 1% was someone elses job.
I’ve freely admitted that I don’t know EVERY rule in EVERY book, and that’s AFTER completing the dCPC courses, so once again I say, they’re USELESS!!
I don’t understand split daily rests, and the setting on a digitach for ferry crossings. I also don’t need to to do my job.
Muckaway:
I don’t understand split daily rests, and the setting on a digitach for ferry crossings. I also don’t need to to do my job.
Split daily rests is easy, but let’s say I stuck you in a classroom for 7hrs, told you everything you already know + those 2 items, would you remember them 2 months later? what about a year later?
If you needed to know them 2 items, would you just ask on here, or would you book a dCPC course at a cost of 1 day of your life (which will include lots of repeated stuff you already know) and £79?
If you are paying more than £40 you are being mugged.
This is a conversation that has no outcome a bit like religon 
I have said before that a lot on here are very clued up but in my job i see the dim of the dim. the genuinely do not know and the could not care.
Ferry split rest GB rules are a waste but as i said earlier it is down to cost. A training company could not afford to pay out for taylor made courses, the company will not pay for taylor made courses. if the two work together it could be better e.g a company agrees x amount of drivers for the full 5 years. the trainer could the accredit the course the company wants. this is very succesful and is well recieved by both company and drivers as it is relevant.
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I cant speak for others but I have a full Clean CE licence, I have a City and Guilds in mechanics, I have my national cpc going for my international in December. DSA RTITB ITSSAR SSSTS First Aid instructor. Run my own business and have delivered a tin of beans through to plant and have also driven wagon and drag and rear wheel steer. Auto semi uto and manual. I think thats it.
Maybe you have hit the nail on the head, i agree some instructors should not be at the ffont of the class as they have not driven a mile in your shoes.
I would say do your homework before booking the course. I still learn on every course and i do this every week so i find it really hard to see how others know it all.
I have done some dcpc training.
I learned nothing that I did not know previously and found it to be a complete waste of time and money. 
Is it a surprise that this ridiculous farce is only ever defended by those that make money from it? 
The whole point about the DCPC is that it is totally unneccessary. It should be the employer who is responsible for ensuring that all of thier employees are sufficiently trained to carry out the work expected. It shouldn’t matter if your a truck driver, a gas fitter, a brain surgeon or an airline pilot. Surely our very strict Health & Safety laws would make this a requirement. with so much litigation going on for wrongful dissmissal, corporate manslaughter etc, any employer who makes someone perform a job that they have not been adequately trained to do, is being extremely careless. Any company that values it’s employees should have a proper training update program to make thier employees aware of changes in the law etc.
When to drivers hours regulations changed last, how many companies actually took the time and effort to teach thier drivers? How many just put up a memo in the drivers waiting room? how many didn’t bother? Yes, you could argue that as a licence holder, it is the drivers responsibility to keep up to date with changes in the job, but i bet even Ryanair will make sure thier pilots get taught anything new, and don’t just hope they will read about it on www.PilotnetUK!
Do you think that BA would put a pilot in charge of a boeing 747 without checking that he/she is fully trained in all aspects of the job? Do you think they would rely on the pilots to pay for and up date thier own training?
Even a tesco car park attendant gets training update at regular intervals, do they have to pay for it themselves? I left school in the late 1960’s. My first job was in a supermarket, trainee butcher. Even back then, the company gave me regular training updates, where i would work in a different shop for a week,with a senior manager who would check my work and correct/update me on new methods.
This whole thing is designed to make money for the governments, and take the responsibilities away form the employers. I am waiting for the first driver to be convicted of of something because he has a DCPC and should have known the law, or a company successfully defending a wrongful dissmissal claim for the same reason, then we will see how many will still want to accept this farce!