tuckman:
We would save 10million pounds on Thatchers funeral if we applied her ideology and privatised her funeral outsourced it to the private sector with a view to awarding the contract to perform the funeral to the lowest bidder.
I think you’ll find that her funeral HAS been “outsourced to the private sector”, or are you saying that government employees are actually undertaking this funeral themselves??
Why not forget politics & give this woman the send off she deserves as a former Prime Minister who had the respect of the rest of the world, who had the courage of her convictions (however much they differ from your own) totally unlike the wishy washy tossers that inhabit Westminster these days, whatever party they represent.
tuckman:
We would save 10million pounds on Thatchers funeral if we applied her ideology and privatised her funeral outsourced it to the private sector with a view to awarding the contract to perform the funeral to the lowest bidder.
I think you’ll find that her funeral HAS been “outsourced to the private sector”, or are you saying that government employees are actually undertaking this funeral themselves??
Why not forget politics & give this woman the send off she deserves as a former Prime Minister who had the respect of the rest of the world, who had the courage of her convictions (however much they differ from your own) totally unlike the wishy washy tossers that inhabit Westminster these days, whatever party they represent.
that would have applied to Sadam Hussein also I imagine, are you suggesting that he should have been treated with respect?
having conviction and standing up for it is fine , if your conviction is right
When you are wrong it is not conviction but stubborness.
As far as I am concerened I neither celebrate her death nor mourn it but was glad when she ceased to have political influence.
Stubborness in turn usually gets justified by that old chestnut “I did what I thought was right”.
The biggest decision of that nature I’ll chalk up to her is putting a torpedo into General Belgrano in 1982… Not to have made that decision would have resulted in our entire fleet being in the south atlantic for a show only. Not good when you’ve committed everyone to the hilt by the time they left port back here in Blighty!
On the other hand, Blair’s decision to “go to war” with Iraq, and kill upwards of 100,000 innocents merely to get one bad guy smacks of stupidity, and sucking up to that nutter GWB…
SteveBarnsleytrucker:
They should cremate her on some of that British Coal she said was not viable and economical to dig for anymore in 1984 and where we now import from Russia and America for extortionate prices.
Spot on !
As it happens Thatcher didn’t want a state funeral,so why is it happening ? And why isn’t her son the arms dealing,tax exile multi millionaire Mark " get lost " Thatcher paying for Mummys funeral ?
The funeral guest/celebrity list looks like a right Who’s Who of kn0bs !
Why don’t they all who worshipped at the old bags feet have a whip round for her ?
£10M for her send off - a joke of a decision,but hardly surprising in this joke of a country.
Of course the government are wasting taxpayers money on a “State Funeral” for the ■■■■■. But this isn’t in recognition of what she did or did not do, because many in her party including government ministers didn’t agree with much of what she did to the country and it’s people, at the time, and even up until the present day.
It is being done to remind the “Plebs”…that’s you lot BTW…that the political elite will continue to do to us just as they please for their benefit, not ours, and we can all fekkin’ smile and accept it 'cos it aint gonna change anytime soon, if ever, as long as we are able hold you down. All aided of course by the “Corporate media” of which she was an integral part, as is Cameron et al to date. Not true? Just look at how at this very minute “History is being re-written” to begin her eventual political beatification.
Why don’t some of you “Wise up” ffs.
The Conservative party with Mrs. Thatcher as their leader won 3 General Elections.This Country was not flowing with milk and honey when they came to power in 1979.
alamcculloch:
The Conservative party with Mrs. Thatcher as their leader won 3 General Elections.This Country was not flowing with milk and honey when they came to power in 1979.
Before she came to power in 1979, Unemployment was just above 600,000. By 1983 she had it at just under 3.5 million.
alamcculloch:
The Conservative party with Mrs. Thatcher as their leader won 3 General Elections.This Country was not flowing with milk and honey when they came to power in 1979.
Steve Redgrave won 5 Gold medals at successive Olympic games. Does that qualify him for a “State funeral” then.
SteveBarnsleytrucker:
It wasn’t exactly flowing with milk and honey when she f----d off either.
Precisely.
And look at us now. Another “State funeral” for us all. The country is slowly dying but nobody gives a flying ■■■’ about us or throwing money at us.
I think that it would be interesting to hear from the older guys on here .How many are better off now than they were before 1979.I was laid off from a well paid job in 1975 then I was made redundant in March 1979 before Mrs. Thatchers time in office.What we had could not continue,State subsidised mines supplying subsidised British Steel supplying subsidised car factories.
alamcculloch:
The Conservative party with Mrs. Thatcher as their leader won 3 General Elections.This Country was not flowing with milk and honey when they came to power in 1979.
Suggest you check out all the economic figures related to economic growth,trade deficit,and value of the pound etc in real terms.This country has never had such a strong economy as that which we had during the days when the unions were at the peak of their strength.Which of course was the early 1970’s before we allowed the Tories and their allies in the so called Labour Party to throw it all away by joining the EU and then the global free market economy and then blaming the unions for the inevitable result.
that would have applied to Sadam Hussein also I imagine, are you suggesting that he should have been treated with respect?
having conviction and standing up for it is fine , if your conviction is right
When you are wrong it is not conviction but stubborness.
As far as I am concerened I neither celebrate her death nor mourn it but was glad when she ceased to have political influence.
Blimey del exactly when was it that her ideology ‘ceased to have political influence’.The fact is that ‘influence’ applied to her predecessor in the so called Labour Party and every leader we’ve had here since including her.
alamcculloch:
I think that it would be interesting to hear from the older guys on here .How many are better off now than they were before 1979.I was laid off from a well paid job in 1975 then I was made redundant in March 1979 before Mrs. Thatchers time in office.What we had could not continue,State subsidised mines supplying subsidised British Steel supplying subsidised car factories.
Those so called state subsidised mines and steel etc industries were in fact getting less in state subsidies than most other mining and steel etc industries in other countries.What actually happened was that British mines and steel etc industries couldn’t compete with coal and steel etc that was being dumped here at well below cost price which just made uk mined coal and steel etc ‘seem’ expensive.The result is where we are now being a net importer of energy and manufactured goods with most households being totally reliant on gas for their heating with a trade deficit to prove it.The fact is I was living in a household fuelled by British coal fired central heating and the heating bills were lower than now using gas and the economy now is actually living on borrowed money to pay for it’s import bill and borrowed time.
As for your job example I was one of the ‘very’ lucky school leavers in 1975 who got a job in a factory when I left school.I was made redundant in May 1980 and was left with the choice of a £ 30 per week pay cut working for the local council or the dole.The reason for all that was that Labour’s economic policies during the mid-late 1970’s were no different to those of Thatcher’s during the 1980’s.IE wage restraint,using blatant rigging of the Labour market,by throwing people out of work,used as a flawed method of controlling the price led inflation,which was actually caused by joining the EU,added to by the issue of the flood of imports caused by that membership.
alamcculloch:
I think that it would be interesting to hear from the older guys on here .How many are better off now than they were before 1979.I was laid off from a well paid job in 1975 then I was made redundant in March 1979 before Mrs. Thatchers time in office.What we had could not continue,State subsidised mines supplying subsidised British Steel supplying subsidised car factories.
Those so called state subsidised mines and steel etc industries were in fact getting less in state subsidies than most other mining and steel etc industries in other countries.What actually happened was that British mines and steel etc industries couldn’t compete with coal and steel etc that was being dumped here at well below cost price which just made uk mined coal and steel etc ‘seem’ expensive.The result is where we are now being a net importer of energy and manufactured goods with most households being totally reliant on gas for their heating with a trade deficit to prove it.The fact is I was living in a household fuelled by British coal fired central heating and the heating bills were lower than now using gas and the economy now is actually living on borrowed money to pay for it’s import bill and borrowed time.
As for your job example I was one of the ‘very’ lucky school leavers in 1975 who got a job in a factory when I left school.I was made redundant in May 1980 and was left with the choice of a £ 30 per week pay cut working for the local council or the dole.The reason for all that was that Labour’s economic policies during the mid-late 1970’s were no different to those of Thatcher’s during the 1980’s.IE wage restraint,using blatant rigging of the Labour market,by throwing people out of work,used as a flawed method of controlling the price led inflation,which was actually caused by joining the EU,added to by the issue of the flood of imports caused by that membership.
Don’t you usually bang on about how wrong it is that the rail network gets subsidised?
I like my gas central heating, a few of my mate’s who use oil have then got log burners, one lad was telling me how good it was and how cheap and I should get one. By the time he’s had it fitted, bought a chainsaw for some cheaper, sometimes free wood, ■■■■■■ about chopping it up, storing it. He doesn’t use it that much now because by the time he gets home from work it’s not worth getting it going. my gas bill is a quid and a bit a day for a house that’s warm when I get in.
alamcculloch:
I think that it would be interesting to hear from the older guys on here .How many are better off now than they were before 1979.I was laid off from a well paid job in 1975 then I was made redundant in March 1979 before Mrs. Thatchers time in office.What we had could not continue,State subsidised mines supplying subsidised British Steel supplying subsidised car factories.
Those so called state subsidised mines and steel etc industries were in fact getting less in state subsidies than most other mining and steel etc industries in other countries.What actually happened was that British mines and steel etc industries couldn’t compete with coal and steel etc that was being dumped here at well below cost price which just made uk mined coal and steel etc ‘seem’ expensive.The result is where we are now being a net importer of energy and manufactured goods with most households being totally reliant on gas for their heating with a trade deficit to prove it.The fact is I was living in a household fuelled by British coal fired central heating and the heating bills were lower than now using gas and the economy now is actually living on borrowed money to pay for it’s import bill and borrowed time.
As for your job example I was one of the ‘very’ lucky school leavers in 1975 who got a job in a factory when I left school.I was made redundant in May 1980 and was left with the choice of a £ 30 per week pay cut working for the local council or the dole.The reason for all that was that Labour’s economic policies during the mid-late 1970’s were no different to those of Thatcher’s during the 1980’s.IE wage restraint,using blatant rigging of the Labour market,by throwing people out of work,used as a flawed method of controlling the price led inflation,which was actually caused by joining the EU,added to by the issue of the flood of imports caused by that membership.
Don’t you usually bang on about how wrong it is that the rail network gets subsidised?
I like my gas central heating, a few of my mate’s who use oil have then got log burners, one lad was telling me how good it was and how cheap and I should get one. By the time he’s had it fitted, bought a chainsaw for some cheaper, sometimes free wood, [zb] about chopping it up, storing it. He doesn’t use it that much now because by the time he gets home from work it’s not worth getting it going. my gas bill is a quid and a bit a day for a house that’s warm when I get in.
Coal isn’t wood. One of the benefits of coal fired central heating,which you seem to have obviously missed,because you probably weren’t there and have never used it,was that you never let the thing go out at all it was going 24/7 through the Autumn and Winter months and as I’ve said we had a warm house 24/7.IE at night and during the day the thing was stoked up and left running on about half thermostat which trust me kept the house more than warm enough.All for less cost in real terms than using gas now even shutting it down through the night etc let alone leaving it going 24/7.The only advantage which gas has is the ability to use it to just heat the water through the summer months when the heating isn’t needed instead of using more expensive electric water heating.So the idea of using both gas and coal fired heating now would be ideal.With the win win situation of providing real competition between the two fuel types.As for a gas bill of a pound and a bit per day,IE less than £ 500 per year.I’d doubt it.The bill for this house is more like £ 500 per quarter during the autumn and winter months.
As for rail subsidy v road in that case it’s all about one domestic transport industry being put out of business by subsidy of another.Not the issue of cheap foreign subsidised imports at the expense of domestic industry thereby making ourselves dependent on imports.They are two totally different issues.
Solly:
Of course the government are wasting taxpayers money on a “State Funeral” for the ■■■■■. But this isn’t in recognition of what she did or did not do, because many in her party including government ministers didn’t agree with much of what she did to the country and it’s people, at the time, and even up until the present day.
It is being done to remind the “Plebs”…that’s you lot BTW…that the political elite will continue to do to us just as they please for their benefit, not ours, and we can all fekkin’ smile and accept it 'cos it aint gonna change anytime soon, if ever, as long as we are able hold you down. All aided of course by the “Corporate media” of which she was an integral part, as is Cameron et al to date. Not true? Just look at how at this very minute “History is being re-written” to begin her eventual political beatification.
Why don’t some of you “Wise up” ffs.
Lol I think you should wise up how great Britain would be had we had a combination of comrades Foot and Scargill running it. And next time you’re chatting with comrade Scargill ask him where all the money the strikers were sent from the Soviet union went to? Even in modern day Russia they have questioned where it went bad enough when the working class are ripped off by the ruling elite even worse tho when those who claim to represent us do it
alamcculloch:
I think that it would be interesting to hear from the older guys on here .How many are better off now than they were before 1979.I was laid off from a well paid job in 1975 then I was made redundant in March 1979 before Mrs. Thatchers time in office.What we had could not continue,State subsidised mines supplying subsidised British Steel supplying subsidised car factories.
Those so called state subsidised mines and steel etc industries were in fact getting less in state subsidies than most other mining and steel etc industries in other countries.What actually happened was that British mines and steel etc industries couldn’t compete with coal and steel etc that was being dumped here at well below cost price which just made uk mined coal and steel etc ‘seem’ expensive.The result is where we are now being a net importer of energy and manufactured goods with most households being totally reliant on gas for their heating with a trade deficit to prove it.The fact is I was living in a household fuelled by British coal fired central heating and the heating bills were lower than now using gas and the economy now is actually living on borrowed money to pay for it’s import bill and borrowed time.
As for your job example I was one of the ‘very’ lucky school leavers in 1975 who got a job in a factory when I left school.I was made redundant in May 1980 and was left with the choice of a £ 30 per week pay cut working for the local council or the dole.The reason for all that was that Labour’s economic policies during the mid-late 1970’s were no different to those of Thatcher’s during the 1980’s.IE wage restraint,using blatant rigging of the Labour market,by throwing people out of work,used as a flawed method of controllin g the price led inflation,which was actually caused by joining the EU,added to by the issue of the flood of imports caused by that membership.
Don’t you usually bang on about how wrong it is that the rail network gets subsidised?
I like my gas central heating, a few of my mate’s who use oil have then got log burners, one lad was telling me how good it was and how cheap and I should get one. By the time he’s had it fitted, bought a chainsaw for some cheaper, sometimes free wood, [zb] about chopping it up, storing it. He doesn’t use it that much now because by the time he gets home from work it’s not worth getting it going. my gas bill is a quid and a bit a day for a house that’s warm when I get in.
Coal isn’t wood. One of the benefits of coal fired central heating,which you seem to have obviously missed,because you probably weren’t there and have never used it,was that you never let the thing go out at all it was going 24/7 through the Autumn and Winter months and as I’ve said we had a warm house 24/7.IE at night and during the day the thing was stoked up and left running on about half thermostat which trust me kept the house more than warm enough.All for less cost in real terms than using gas now even shutting it down through the night etc let alone leaving it going 24/7.The only advantage which gas has is the ability to use it to just heat the water through the summer months when the heating isn’t needed instead of using more expensive electric water heating.So the idea of using both gas and coal fired heating now would be ideal.With the win win situation of providing real competition between the two fuel types.As for a gas bill of a pound and a bit per day,IE less than £ 500 per year.I’d doubt it.The bill for this house is more like £ 500 per quarter during the autumn and winter months.
As for rail subsidy v road in that case it’s all about one domestic transport industry being put out of business by subsidy of another.Not the issue of cheap foreign subsidised imports at the expense of domestic industry thereby making ourselves dependent on imports.They are two totally different issues.
Yeah I did spot wood isn’t coal, apparently you can keep a wood burner going 24/7, maybe it’s easier with coal? The point was there a bit of ■■■■■■■ about involved that I’m happy to pay a bit extra for the convenience, if that is the case? What would it cost in coal now? What would it cost now if the miners were still mining? My dual fuel anual bill is around 1k
mazzer:
Lol I think you should wise up how great Britain would be had we had a combination of comrades Foot and Scargill running it. And next time you’re chatting with comrade Scargill ask him where all the money the strikers were sent from the Soviet union went to? Even in modern day Russia they have questioned where it went bad enough when the working class are ripped off by the ruling elite even worse tho when those who claim to represent us do it
Now then. Seeing as this has turned into 20 questions by the tory acolytes I wonder, tell me where all the money from the sale of North Sea oil went. Or all the cash from undercover Saudi arms deals, and many others involving the worlds worst dictatorships. They were all favourites of hers…none more than Saddam… whom she wined and dined on many occasions.
The above highlighted is what is happening now.
BTW when you next sit with your tory friends which will be very few in Derry, or better still when you next meet Thatcher ask her why she allowed the hunger strikers to die without batting an eyelid?
alamcculloch:
I think that it would be interesting to hear from the older guys on here .How many are better off now than they were before 1979.I was laid off from a well paid job in 1975 then I was made redundant in March 1979 before Mrs. Thatchers time in office.What we had could not continue,State subsidised mines supplying subsidised British Steel supplying subsidised car factories.
Those so called state subsidised mines and steel etc industries were in fact getting less in state subsidies than most other mining and steel etc industries in other countries.What actually happened was that British mines and steel etc industries couldn’t compete with coal and steel etc that was being dumped here at well below cost price which just made uk mined coal and steel etc ‘seem’ expensive.The result is where we are now being a net importer of energy and manufactured goods with most households being totally reliant on gas for their heating with a trade deficit to prove it.The fact is I was living in a household fuelled by British coal fired central heating and the heating bills were lower than now using gas and the economy now is actually living on borrowed money to pay for it’s import bill and borrowed time.
As for your job example I was one of the ‘very’ lucky school leavers in 1975 who got a job in a factory when I left school.I was made redundant in May 1980 and was left with the choice of a £ 30 per week pay cut working for the local council or the dole.The reason for all that was that Labour’s economic policies during the mid-late 1970’s were no different to those of Thatcher’s during the 1980’s.IE wage restraint,using blatant rigging of the Labour market,by throwing people out of work,used as a flawed method of controllin g the price led inflation,which was actually caused by joining the EU,added to by the issue of the flood of imports caused by that membership.
Don’t you usually bang on about how wrong it is that the rail network gets subsidised?
I like my gas central heating, a few of my mate’s who use oil have then got log burners, one lad was telling me how good it was and how cheap and I should get one. By the time he’s had it fitted, bought a chainsaw for some cheaper, sometimes free wood, [zb] about chopping it up, storing it. He doesn’t use it that much now because by the time he gets home from work it’s not worth getting it going. my gas bill is a quid and a bit a day for a house that’s warm when I get in.
Coal isn’t wood. One of the benefits of coal fired central heating,which you seem to have obviously missed,because you probably weren’t there and have never used it,was that you never let the thing go out at all it was going 24/7 through the Autumn and Winter months and as I’ve said we had a warm house 24/7.IE at night and during the day the thing was stoked up and left running on about half thermostat which trust me kept the house more than warm enough.All for less cost in real terms than using gas now even shutting it down through the night etc let alone leaving it going 24/7.The only advantage which gas has is the ability to use it to just heat the water through the summer months when the heating isn’t needed instead of using more expensive electric water heating.So the idea of using both gas and coal fired heating now would be ideal.With the win win situation of providing real competition between the two fuel types.As for a gas bill of a pound and a bit per day,IE less than £ 500 per year.I’d doubt it.The bill for this house is more like £ 500 per quarter during the autumn and winter months.
As for rail subsidy v road in that case it’s all about one domestic transport industry being put out of business by subsidy of another.Not the issue of cheap foreign subsidised imports at the expense of domestic industry thereby making ourselves dependent on imports.They are two totally different issues.
Yeah I did spot wood isn’t coal, apparently you can keep a wood burner going 24/7, maybe it’s easier with coal? The point was there a bit of [zb] about involved that I’m happy to pay a bit extra for the convenience, if that is the case? What would it cost in coal now? What would it cost now if the miners were still mining? My dual fuel anual bill is around 1k
When you factor in the levels of employment in the mining industry and it’s supplying industries and resulting increase in demand for labour,thereby increasing spending power in the economy,and the increased tax revenues and trade deficit reduction owing to not being a net importer of energy,as opposed to the opposite situation caused by the loss of the mining industry,it’s a no brainer.
As for the price it’s not a fair comparison without comparing like with like in heating use however the gas bill alone for this house is ( a lot ) more than 1k per year.As for the total costs of using imported energy,amongst all the other imports of manufactured goods,v uk produced coal that situation can only get worse in the long term,as the value of the uk currency inevitably falls and/or foreign debt levels increase,in an environment of an import bill and trade deficit that exceeds our ability to pay for it and sustain it let alone the losses in tax revenues caused by the unemployment of having no domestic coal and steel industry amongst others.
One of the benefits of coal fired central heating,which you seem to have obviously missed,because you probably weren’t there and have never used it,was that you never let the thing go out at all it was going 24/7 through the Autumn and Winter months and as I’ve said we had a warm house 24/7.IE at night and during the day the thing was stoked up and left running on about half thermostat which trust me kept the house more than warm enough.All for less cost in real terms than using gas now even shutting it down through the night etc let alone leaving it going 24/7.The only advantage which gas has is the ability to use it to just heat the water through the summer months when the heating isn’t needed instead of using more expensive electric water heating.So the idea of using both gas and coal fired heating now would be ideal.With the win win situation of providing real competition between the two fuel types.As for a gas bill of a pound and a bit per day,IE less than £ 500 per year.I’d doubt it.The bill for this house is more like £ 500 per quarter during the autumn and winter months.