mazzer:
Lol I think you should wise up how great Britain would be had we had a combination of comrades Foot and Scargill running it. And next time you’re chatting with comrade Scargill ask him where all the money the strikers were sent from the Soviet union went to? Even in modern day Russia they have questioned where it went bad enough when the working class are ripped off by the ruling elite even worse tho when those who claim to represent us do it
Now then. Seeing as this has turned into 20 questions by the tory acolytes I wonder, tell me where all the money from the sale of North Sea oil went. Or all the cash from undercover Saudi arms deals, and many others involving the worlds worst dictatorships. They were all favourites of hers…none more than Saddam… whom she wined and dined on many occasions.
The above highlighted is what is happening now.
BTW when you next sit with your tory friends which will be very few in Derry, or better still when you next meet Thatcher ask her why she allowed the hunger strikers to die without batting an eyelid?
I think there was more dodgy dealing done between Thatcher and Gorbachev concerning the benefits to Russian energy exports by closing down the British mining industry and flogging off our oil and gas reserves,now making us dependent on imported energy than anything that Scargill might have been stupid enough to negotiate.As for Scargill,unlike Thatcher,I think in his case it was just a lack of judgement and a lot of stupidity in following the bs socialist cause instead of just keeping to the issues of wage levels and keeping British jobs for British workers.Somehow I think he knows that was his big mistake but he doesn’t want to admit it.
mazzer:
Lol I think you should wise up how great Britain would be had we had a combination of comrades Foot and Scargill running it. And next time you’re chatting with comrade Scargill ask him where all the money the strikers were sent from the Soviet union went to? Even in modern day Russia they have questioned where it went bad enough when the working class are ripped off by the ruling elite even worse tho when those who claim to represent us do it
Now then. Seeing as this has turned into 20 questions by the tory acolytes I wonder, tell me where all the money from the sale of North Sea oil went. Or all the cash from undercover Saudi arms deals, and many others involving the worlds worst dictatorships. They were all favourites of hers…none more than Saddam… whom she wined and dined on many occasions.
The above highlighted is what is happening now.
BTW when you next sit with your tory friends which will be very few in Derry, or better still when you next meet Thatcher ask her why she allowed the hunger strikers to die without batting an eyelid?
Not once did I state that I was a tory but at the time there was nothing else on offer callaghen had failed because the unions wanted him to do their bidding. As I said it hurts a lot more when the people who claim to represent the working class rip us off anf i’d include Blair in that. As regards to dictatorships the left weren’t to slow to cosy up to some of the most despicable people in recent history as late as the 80’s people on the left still thought Stalin a good egg despite what was coming out of the soviet union about how many of his own people he had killed. With regard to the hunger strikers they fought for their cause and gave their lives for it and although thatcher didn’t give in at the time all of their concessions were later agreed to yes, it was a needless waste of lives but change did come out of it but a pity the men had to die to achieve it. And one thing you cannot blame the irish for is the debacle that either labour or the tories make of the country as in the north here we can vote for neither party
mazzer:
Lol I think you should wise up how great Britain would be had we had a combination of comrades Foot and Scargill running it. And next time you’re chatting with comrade Scargill ask him where all the money the strikers were sent from the Soviet union went to? Even in modern day Russia they have questioned where it went bad enough when the working class are ripped off by the ruling elite even worse tho when those who claim to represent us do it
I suppose I guessed you were a Tory by your disdain for the above mentioned as highlighted. Just as you suspect I’m a Labour supporter because I despise Thatcher and anything other Torys do. Simple mistake as anyone can make one eh?
BTW do you believe that it is only Labour supporters who have Unions?
Anyway I think it should be the supporters of Thatcher who pay for her “State circus”? You should all have a “Whip-around” for her and save us who dislike her from contributing.
mazzer:
Lol I think you should wise up how great Britain would be had we had a combination of comrades Foot and Scargill running it. And next time you’re chatting with comrade Scargill ask him where all the money the strikers were sent from the Soviet union went to? Even in modern day Russia they have questioned where it went bad enough when the working class are ripped off by the ruling elite even worse tho when those who claim to represent us do it
I suppose I guessed you were a Tory by your disdain for the above mentioned as highlighted. Just as you suspect I’m a Labour supporter because I despise Thatcher and anything other Torys do. Simple mistake as anyone can make one eh?
BTW do you believe that it is only Labour supporters who have Unions?
Anyway I think it should be the supporters of Thatcher who pay for her “State circus”? You should all have a “Whip-around” for her and save us who dislike her from contributing.
lol ok fair one I sit somewhere in the middle but think that we can both agree that both parties have made a right balls of the last 30 years when it comes to looking after the likes of us
BFN.
If the mines were still open & supplying us with our energy needs you can guarantee that your fuel bill would be more than the current gas equivalent, mining is an expensive industry & any subsidies made to it by the government would be claimed back in tax by us the tax payer … the country will never be any good as long as those at the top can sit in the house of commons & fall asleep during debates & claim upwards of £300 a day attendance allowance plus all the other expenses they entitled to claim …all paid for by us the tax payer , but its ok because they do it for the interest of the people & the country, after all , were all in it together…!
Explaining why he jointly objected to a motion cancelling Prime Minister’s Questions tomorrow to allow ministers to go to Baroness Thatcher’s funeral, the Bolsover MP Dennis Skinner asked ‘where does it all end?’
He claims people in his constituency and across Yorkshire are ‘fed up’ with special arrangements being made for the former Prime Minister.
“It seems to go on and on, and then suddenly they’re saying there’s no question time on Wednesday. Cameron will not have answered questions for five full weeks. Lady Thatcher was very divisive and someone has to mirror those views and that’s what I’m doing.”
mazzer:
lol ok fair one I sit somewhere in the middle but think that we can both agree that both parties have made a right balls of the last 30 years when it comes to looking after the likes of us.
Agreed, but I have to add something to that. What has happened to us over the last 30yrs was no accident. It was deliberately designed to be that way by the “Hidden Unions”, as I like to call them, you know, those champions of Neo-liberalism who acted behind closed doors and paid for Thatcher and Reagan to do their bidding in parliament and congress so they could shaft us. But as usual it ain’t these odious people who have been blamed. That accolade is always reserved for the usual suspects, the Trade Unions. Couldn’t be any other way in Britain.
That said I still loath the “Witch”, and reiterate, let those who loved her pay for her “State Circus”.
midlifetrucker:
A high proportion of it is probably security because kids who werent even alive in her power days want to demonstrate. Of course to demonstrate you have to have a clear diary i.e. do bugger all all day.
Like or hate her she still was a UK statesperson with far bigger cahunas than anyone in either side today. Everything she did she believed in and believed rightly or wrongly it was for the good of the country.
mazzer:
Not once did I state that I was a tory but at the time there was nothing else on offer callaghen had failed because the unions wanted him to do their bidding. As I said it hurts a lot more when the people who claim to represent the working class rip us off anf i’d include Blair in that. As regards to dictatorships the left weren’t to slow to cosy up to some of the most despicable people in recent history as late as the 80’s people on the left still thought Stalin a good egg despite what was coming out of the soviet union about how many of his own people he had killed. With regard to the hunger strikers they fought for their cause and gave their lives for it and although thatcher didn’t give in at the time all of their concessions were later agreed to yes, it was a needless waste of lives but change did come out of it but a pity the men had to die to achieve it. And one thing you cannot blame the irish for is the debacle that either labour or the tories make of the country as in the north here we can vote for neither party
Being a so called Labour Party leader doing the bidding of ’ the unions’ was actually what Callaghan had been elected for considering that by ‘unions’ we’re not talking about some alien enemy within.We’re actually talking about a large/majority part of the British workforce at the time who the Labour Party being the Labour Party were there fore and foremost to represent.He actually failed because he implemented exactly the same type of economic policies as Thatcher did after him.Those policies ran totally contrary to the interests of that majority of the British workforce.
The issue of left and right is just a simplistic stereotypical erroneous view of the make up of the Labour Party as it stood at the time.There were plenty of trade union members who were also Labour supporters who supported policies which varied right across the spectrum,from what the loony left would regard as fascism to trade union activeties which many like Thatcher would view ( wrongly ) as Bolshevism.The actual aim of those views,just like in the case of US unions,was all about keeping wage levels high to pay for an ever increasing standard of living and jobs nothing more than that.IE the American economy and society of the 1950’s/60’s.
Basically Socialism and Communism are the politics of envy in which their aim is to bring everyone down to the same low level IE if they can’t get what they want then they’ll make sure that no one else can get ahead either.Usually with exceptions made by the leadership to that for themselves using force against anyone who disagrees with them.IE the Russian and Chinese systems since the Russian and Chinese revolutions and to a lesser extent Thatcher’s actions against British workers ( the enemy within as she described them ).
There’s a big difference between the two ideologies and trade union aims.No suprise that the leaders of the Western US type economic system eventually decided to adopt the ideas of the leaders of the Socialist/Communist type systems in order to keep more of the wealth for themselves at the expense of the workforce under them.
Make no mistake the so called Conservative right under Thatcher’s leadership was/still is closer to the aims and ideas of Communist ideology than the so called Labour left under Shore would have been.As for Callaghan,Blair,and Brown their actions,regarding keeping more of the wealth for the leaders of the system,at the expense of the nation’s workers and like Thatcher the ever closer ties to Russia and the Chinese Communist Party,speak louder than words.
Which just leaves the question as to wether that sell out might have been partly the result of the Russian and Chinese governments taking the cold war beyond the brink and those with the most to lose in western society,who held most of the wealth,decided to back down and keep their money with a few kick backs for themselves from the commies in addition,rather than press the button.
mazzer:
Lol I think you should wise up how great Britain would be had we had a combination of comrades Foot and Scargill running it. And next time you’re chatting with comrade Scargill ask him where all the money the strikers were sent from the Soviet union went to? Even in modern day Russia they have questioned where it went bad enough when the working class are ripped off by the ruling elite even worse tho when those who claim to represent us do it
Now then. Seeing as this has turned into 20 questions by the tory acolytes I wonder, tell me where all the money from the sale of North Sea oil went. Or all the cash from undercover Saudi arms deals, and many others involving the worlds worst dictatorships. They were all favourites of hers…none more than Saddam… whom she wined and dined on many occasions.
The above highlighted is what is happening now.
BTW when you next sit with your tory friends which will be very few in Derry, or better still when you next meet Thatcher ask her why she allowed the hunger strikers to die without batting an eyelid?
the ■■■■■■■ hunger strikers? did they bat an eyelid when they killed innocents or helped those who did? dont ■■■■■■■ tell me bobby sands wasnt a ■■■■■■■ terrorist…
andrew.s:
the [zb] hunger strikers? did they bat an eyelid when they killed innocents or helped those who did? dont [zb] tell me bobby sands wasnt a [zb] terrorist…
Oooh! the anger. Calm down sonny, stop cursing so much, as he was in good company with your beloved Thatcher.
Now then. Seeing as this has turned into 20 questions by the tory acolytes I wonder, tell me where all the money from the sale of North Sea oil went. Or all the cash from undercover Saudi arms deals, and many others involving the worlds worst dictatorships. They were all favourites of hers…none more than Saddam… whom she wined and dined on many occasions.
Shoot CF! I was keeping Gorbachev as the trump card. You’ve spoiled it now fs. 
