Wheel,what can I say!! Wheel nut,they are some romanians who talk,write and behave,like most of the people from this country!
The topic wasn’t about a romanian got fined in france,is was about anyone who is this business and soner or later he might get caught,in this way! Like,I said before, the reason,I posted the incident,if is something to learn from it,to don’t be caught again,me or anyone from here, then I feel much better.Less money in the pochet,but feel better!!
Coffeeholic:
Not the first time a copper doesn’t actually know the regulations.
maybe not but it took him 45 minutes to get back to me so I assume he had a reasonable sniff
ro trucker:
Evening,Guys
Looks like it,I opened the Pandorra box!!! I just come in dorrs,from a week away!
Cause,I cause,the discusion here,I need to bring some more facts: From the last three years,at a advice from a Vosa guy,I never put a tacho in,over weekends. I just close at Friday or Sat the tacho,with the mileage and kms in it. And started a new tacho after 24 or 45 hr brake,from the same mileage,obviously. This procedure it was fine,for Vosa,Bag,and even for the most scrupulous austrian counterpart,until Thursday,when the Gendarmerie,say’s to me cause I haven’t got the tacho for the period of the week end’s,I been liable for that fine,2385 euros. like someone said here,u dont have preatty much other options,at the moment. They have power to inpound the truck,until you pay the fine,and after if u want go to court,it’s up to you! Cut the story,short: she said to me if ain’t got the tacho’s for that days’,I need to have paper for holiday or brake,or whatever.
And,by change,I been stopped by Vosa at Ashford,this morning,and the confirmed to me,the gerndarmerie was wrong. They looked in tachos,and they said,no problem,it’S FINE TO HAVE THE WEEKLY BREAK,WITHOUT THE TACHO IN!!!
now here’s the problem, VOSA say its ok to take tacho out everynight if staying in the truck and also for weekends whereas most europeans leave the tacho in everynight, well at least thats how the gendarmes and the guardia civil like it to be done and seeing as they impose the fines i follow the well known saying “when in rome” etc.
We do 45s away, but the didgi card is left in the head when we do it, and a few of us has been checked and never had a problem.
Another point on the french fines, is always ask for a Contestation form, which means that you contest the fine, because without this form being filled, you have no chance of getting your money back.
I will try to find a link on this form and post it ,it looks very similar in colour to our vehicle registration document.
Klunk
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We do 45s away, but the didgi card is left in the head when we do it, and a few of us has been checked and never had a problem.
Another point on the french fines, is always ask for a Contestation form, which means that you contest the fine, because without this form being filled, you have no chance of getting your money back.
I will try to find a link on this form and post it ,it looks very similar in colour to our vehicle registration document.
Klunk
Thank you,Klunk
It would be very apreciated! I don’t know if I would have a chance to see that money back, Acording to them; I’ve got missing tachos for the week-ends period. Even if the mileage was the same,and the time for the closing tacho to the time for the opening tacho,it was the time coresponding with brake,which I should take in that week, F… knows, what happening with laws,in this days!!!
All the best,and be safe on a roads!!! God bless us!
~The French have always operated slightly differently to everyone else.
It was they, I believe, who initiated the requirement for an attestation form in the first place.
Although the regulations don’t require you to have an attestation form or to have a weekend rest disc, the French do. For everyone else, that your week ending milage and chart lines match up with your week start milage and chart lines is good enough.
We have learned, through many other stories like yours, that keeping the French happy keeps your money in your pocket. Its easier to comply with their strange requirements than to waste a lot of time arguing, or even worse, try to get your money back.
Simon:
~The French have always operated slightly differently to everyone else.
It was they, I believe, who initiated the requirement for an attestation form in the first place.
Although the regulations don’t require you to have an attestation form or to have a weekend rest disc, the French do. For everyone else, that your week ending milage and chart lines match up with your week start milage and chart lines is good enough.
We have learned, through many other stories like yours, that keeping the French happy keeps your money in your pocket. Its easier to comply with their strange requirements than to waste a lot of time arguing, or even worse, try to get your money back.
One thing I have always found in France is that they really like it if you try to speak to them in French, I only have school French but they are always surprised at this and say “Ah, vous parlez Francais?” and so I reply, in French “Not very well but I will try, I prefer to speak French when I am in France”, and their attitude visibly softens immediately.
I don’t care how much brown-nosing I do so long as my money stays in my pocket
This thread is a great laugh!! Not the first or last time the regs get misinterpreted!!
It’s like those Brits who bought property in Spain without taking legal advice about Spanish property laws!!
They wouldn’t do it in the UK!
dessy:
:lol:It’s like those Brits who bought property in Spain without taking legal advice about Spanish property laws!!
They wouldn’t do it in the UK!
Sound advice there from a veteran continental boy.
innit
So TheTaff who has been sat in Valencia since Wednesday evening and is loading this morning hasn’t been on a weekly rest break? Mind you, he has spent most of that time in the bar across the road so perhaps he hasn’t been sleeping in the truck (ask WBIS about Taff’s sleeping habits).
I have to say that though it is not really required, I tend to log every minute I do abroad. I put a tacho in and leave it in for 24 hours … breaks as well. The problem of ‘getting up at 3am to change it’ is solved by changing it at night. I don’t care if I use three cards over a two day period because i have always worked on the basis that if Mr Gendarme can SEE all the relevant breaks on a card instead of having to stand there doing mental arithmetic in his head, he is happy. Same as I never do a four and a half hour drive or take only a 45 minute break. I know for a fact the French think four and a half driving is too long and 45 minutes is too short. Maximum driving I do is 4 hours and always take an hour break. On long haul, it doesn’t really extend your day by much.
Three hrs drive, and hours break, three hrs drive, an hours break followed by a final three hrs drive makes for an 11 hr day.
routier:
dessy:
:lol:It’s like those Brits who bought property in Spain without taking legal advice about Spanish property laws!!
They wouldn’t do it in the UK!Sound advice there from a veteran continental boy.
innit
Ohhhh! I’m sorry mate! I didn’t know this was an exclusive board!! 
TheBear:
I know for a fact the French think four and a half driving is too long and 45 minutes is too short.
I’ve heard this said many times before and yet on our firm one of our nightly runs takes between 4h 10m and 4h 30m according to traffic flow on the rocade at Bdx. Drivers on that run are regularly subject to ‘controles’ by the gendarmes but they never have any problems for driving up to the maximum permitted time. Perhaps they take a different stance when dealing with foreign trucks, or as someone else already said perhaps it simply an unfortunate case of getting stopped by a ‘flic’ who just doesn’t like truckers?
~ Craig
Craig 111:
TheBear:
I know for a fact the French think four and a half driving is too long and 45 minutes is too short.I’ve heard this said many times before and yet on our firm one of our nightly runs takes between 4h 10m and 4h 30m according to traffic flow on the rocade at Bdx. Drivers on that run are regularly subject to ‘controles’ by the gendarmes but they never have any problems for driving up to the maximum permitted time. Perhaps they take a different stance when dealing with foreign trucks, or as someone else already said perhaps it simply an unfortunate case of getting stopped by a ‘flic’ who just doesn’t like truckers?
~ Craig
I have been hearing it for years from British drivers, but our runs at Transalliance GBE were timed to the minute and if you needed a break after 3 hours they were on the bord computer to see why you had stopped. I imagine if you said you needed a break they would have argued the case.
There are ways and means of getting an extra break though
Is there a ‘no win no fee’ recovery service available. ie somebody fights your case and takes 5-10% of what they get back? Is there a need for such a service?
BobbyH:
Is there a ‘no win no fee’ recovery service available. ie somebody fights your case and takes 5-10% of what they get back? Is there a need for such a service?
It may be a new niche, if you trust the Brits to tell you the truth, some don’t you see!
BobbyH:
Is there a ‘no win no fee’ recovery service available. ie somebody fights your case and takes 5-10% of what they get back? Is there a need for such a service?
sort of, my boss uses a company recommended by our insurance who deal with any fines in france, they pay the fine and then represent us in court to see how much the fine is and if we are due a refund.
Vascoingles:
toby1234abc:
That may explain why the Taliban drivers HIDE at the weekend,with curtains drawn all over the weekend,so when they do a spot check,the cab doors are locked,and the driver will lay on the bunk untill the old bill leave,as like you said,they should be in a hotel that the boss must pay for,that is the biggest load of bulls excrement that I have read in a long time, nowhere in the legislations does it say that a 45 hour break cannot be taken in the vehicle
I’m with you on this… I don’t care what people “think it means” If it isn’t in black and white then it isn’t a fact.
jimti:
Vascoingles:
toby1234abc:
That may explain why the Taliban drivers HIDE at the weekend,with curtains drawn all over the weekend,so when they do a spot check,the cab doors are locked,and the driver will lay on the bunk untill the old bill leave,as like you said,they should be in a hotel that the boss must pay for,that is the biggest load of bulls excrement that I have read in a long time, nowhere in the legislations does it say that a 45 hour break cannot be taken in the vehicle
I’m with you on this… I don’t care what people “think it means” If it isn’t in black and white then it isn’t a fact.
But it is in fact right there in the regulations in black and white.
where does it say you CANNOT take your 45 hrs in a truck?