And to keep it in perspective. I found one for Orys
Jeżeli kierowca dokona takiego wyboru, dzienne okresy
odpoczynku i skrócone tygodniowe okresy odpoczynku poza
bazą można wykorzystywać w pojeździe, o ile posiada on
odpowiednie miejsce do spania dla każdego kierowcy i pojazd
znajduje siÄ™ na postoju.
It is like a Russian ADR lesson Dave, like shooting fish in a barrel.
do you really think that those police forces who are experts for taking money under any pretext would be missing this if they thought they had the slightest chance of getting away with it ? i.e, Mossos in Cataluña, red caps in the north both of whom are extremely strict.
Wheel Nut:
Notice the word REDUCED is now missing and it doesn’t detract anything, but someone somewhere has written reduced into the regulation and had that regulation translated into every language of the union.
Exactly, Malc.
Some junior pen pusher has inserted the word “reduced” for what ever reason and this has been missed by the proof readers and has subsequently been passed into the regulations.
I asumed if you parked up Friday night and start Monday am,as long as the mileage or the km`s had not moved while on a 45 off,it is not a problem.Heard rumours of drivers going off super market shopping and on to a nearby beach on a week end off.How they accounted for the movement was their worry.
Wheel Nut:
Notice the word REDUCED is now missing and it doesn’t detract anything, but someone somewhere has written reduced into the regulation and had that regulation translated into every language of the union.
Exactly, Malc.
Some junior pen pusher has inserted the word “reduced” for what ever reason and this has been missed by the proof readers and has subsequently been passed into the regulations.
Which means it is now part of the regulation. Everyone ignores it but it is there.
Vascoingles:
do you really think that those police forces who are experts for taking money under any pretext would be missing this if they thought they had the slightest chance of getting away with it ? i.e, Mossos in Cataluña, red caps in the north both of whom are extremely strict.
I think they have missed it and it was only pointed out on this forum by Neil and myself (clique clique)
Rob K:
I’m so glad I never went through with doing euro work all those years ago and stuck to the mainland here.
Err, we live on an island, that’s the Mainland over there =========> where France is.
Haha at last someone who does not think England is the center of the Universe. You know what the Europeans say, " thank God he put the English on an island " and yes they do say the English not the British. lol
Whether the junior pen pusher made a mistake, he made the same mistake again in your new linked article, with a small change.
Where a driver chooses to do this, daily rest periods and reduced weekly rest periods taken away from base may be taken in a vehicle, as long as it has specially fitted sleeping facilities for each driver as foreseen by the constructor’s design, and it is stationary.
or
Where a driver chooses to do this, daily rest periods and
reduced weekly rest periods away from base may be taken in a
vehicle, as long as it has suitable sleeping facilities for each
driver and the vehicle is stationary.
Vascoingles:
do you really think that those police forces who are experts for taking money under any pretext would be missing this if they thought they had the slightest chance of getting away with it ? i.e, Mossos in Cataluña, red caps in the north both of whom are extremely strict.
I think they have missed it and it was only pointed out on this forum by Neil and myself (clique clique)
just got off the phone to one of the redcaps here in the town, he is adamant that it is perfectly legal to take a 45 in the vehicle and that will do me quite nicely ta
Vascoingles:
do you really think that those police forces who are experts for taking money under any pretext would be missing this if they thought they had the slightest chance of getting away with it ? i.e, Mossos in Cataluña, red caps in the north both of whom are extremely strict.
I think they have missed it and it was only pointed out on this forum by Neil and myself (clique clique)
just got off the phone to one of the redcaps here in the town, he is adamant that it is perfectly legal to take a 45 in the vehicle and that will do me quite nicely ta
Not the first time a copper doesn’t actually know the regulations.
Yes, although having said that I have never heard of a prosecution for taking a 45 hour rest in a truck, and as this is the standard model for most eastern European operators working in western Europe, I’m sure we would have done by now if this was enforced.
Harry Monk:
Yes, although having said that I have never heard of a prosecution for taking a 45 hour rest in a truck, and as this is the standard model for most eastern European operators working in western Europe, I’m sure we would have done by now if this was enforced.
It’s not enforced. Now I no longer go over the water I think I will email the French and Spanish authorities to advise them of this missed opportunity. Could solve their debt problems in a couple of weekends.
ro trucker:
Hi,Guys
It’s my first post on here,but I’m a daily on forum. It’s happend to me the other day. Stoped by the Gendarmerie,at a exit of Rungis market. They gone through the whole tachos, al fine,all weekly breaks. After one and half hour,come back to me,and they said I’ve got a problem. Even if a got the weekly brakes taken, the 24 hrs and 45 hrs,cause I’ve haven’t the paper from company confirming the weekly rest,is not valid the weekly-brake. They said,I could be jumping in other truck and driving for 24 or 45 hrs,and got back to my truck to carry on. Is most stupid thing I ever heard. I been stopped many,many times by VOSA or,even the Gendarmerie,or BAG in Germany. To cut the story short,I been fined with 2385 euros, and need to pay,cause the wouldn’t release the truck, . To not missed the cherry from the cake,they only accept cash or cheque, they not even bother to have a terminal,to be able to pay with credit card. Spend another £95 on transfers fee from W. Union. So,that was my ended,my last journey through France. Never take another load to France!!!
I would like to see the ticket the French gave you, can you scan it and send it to me, or post it on the thread, just remove your name and company details if you can, maybe we can work out what the huge deposit was actually taken for.
Son, been there, seen that done that, paid the fines.Truth is, you dont have the time or availability to contest the fine, all the experts here havent actually told you how, from here to contest the fine and get your money back, cos in all reality, you cant.You have been held to ransome and robbed, so have i, its part of doing buisness abroad.
Evening,Guys
Looks like it,I opened the Pandorra box!!! I just come in dorrs,from a week away!
Cause,I cause,the discusion here,I need to bring some more facts: From the last three years,at a advice from a Vosa guy,I never put a tacho in,over weekends. I just close at Friday or Sat the tacho,with the mileage and kms in it. And started a new tacho after 24 or 45 hr brake,from the same mileage,obviously. This procedure it was fine,for Vosa,Bag,and even for the most scrupulous austrian counterpart,until Thursday,when the Gendarmerie,say’s to me cause I haven’t got the tacho for the period of the week end’s,I been liable for that fine,2385 euros. like someone said here,u dont have preatty much other options,at the moment. They have power to inpound the truck,until you pay the fine,and after if u want go to court,it’s up to you! Cut the story,short: she said to me if ain’t got the tacho’s for that days’,I need to have paper for holiday or brake,or whatever.
And,by change,I been stopped by Vosa at Ashford,this morning,and the confirmed to me,the gerndarmerie was wrong. They looked in tachos,and they said,no problem,it’S FINE TO HAVE THE WEEKLY BREAK,WITHOUT THE TACHO IN!!!
ro trucker:
Evening,Guys
Looks like it,I opened the Pandorra box!!! I just come in dorrs,from a week away!
Cause,I cause,the discusion here,I need to bring some more facts: From the last three years,at a advice from a Vosa guy,I never put a tacho in,over weekends. I just close at Friday or Sat the tacho,with the mileage and kms in it. And started a new tacho after 24 or 45 hr brake,from the same mileage,obviously. This procedure it was fine,for Vosa,Bag,and even for the most scrupulous austrian counterpart,until Thursday,when the Gendarmerie,say’s to me cause I haven’t got the tacho for the period of the week end’s,I been liable for that fine,2385 euros. like someone said here,u dont have preatty much other options,at the moment. They have power to inpound the truck,until you pay the fine,and after if u want go to court,it’s up to you! Cut the story,short: she said to me if ain’t got the tacho’s for that days’,I need to have paper for holiday or brake,or whatever.
And,by change,I been stopped by Vosa at Ashford,this morning,and the confirmed to me,the gerndarmerie was wrong. They looked in tachos,and they said,no problem,it’S FINE TO HAVE THE WEEKLY BREAK,WITHOUT THE TACHO IN!!!
I don’t believe anymore of this thread now, the words and spelling is not that of a Romanian
ro trucker:
Evening,Guys
Looks like it,I opened the Pandorra box!!! I just come in dorrs,from a week away!
Cause,I cause,the discusion here,I need to bring some more facts: From the last three years,at a advice from a Vosa guy,I never put a tacho in,over weekends. I just close at Friday or Sat the tacho,with the mileage and kms in it. And started a new tacho after 24 or 45 hr brake,from the same mileage,obviously. This procedure it was fine,for Vosa,Bag,and even for the most scrupulous austrian counterpart,until Thursday,when the Gendarmerie,say’s to me cause I haven’t got the tacho for the period of the week end’s,I been liable for that fine,2385 euros. like someone said here,u dont have preatty much other options,at the moment. They have power to inpound the truck,until you pay the fine,and after if u want go to court,it’s up to you! Cut the story,short: she said to me if ain’t got the tacho’s for that days’,I need to have paper for holiday or brake,or whatever.
And,by change,I been stopped by Vosa at Ashford,this morning,and the confirmed to me,the gerndarmerie was wrong. They looked in tachos,and they said,no problem,it’S FINE TO HAVE THE WEEKLY BREAK,WITHOUT THE TACHO IN!!!
I don’t believe anymore of this thread now, the words and spelling is not that of a Romanian
. To not missed the cherry from the cake,they only accept cash or cheque, they not even bother to have a terminal,to be able to pay with credit card. Spend another £95 on transfers fee from W. Union. So,that was my ended,my last journey through France. Never take another load to France!!!