true enough, so we’d actually gain as much by the goverment putting a £1 ltr limit on the pump price say for the next year than we would by them making a short term reduction. eventually the price would be the same accross europe.
paul b:
so are the prices for french fuel inclusive of vat that a uk vat registered company can then claim back?
Did you not know this, Its the majority of Europe you can claim back the duty, it takes a while 1yr or so but you do get it!
paul b:
so lets get this straight, in all european countries when you purchase fuel you pay vat which i assume goes to that countries goverment, i can then submit a vat return to uk costums and excise and claim that vat back, is that correct?
so the prices we see banded about for fuel on mainland europe are inclusive of that countries vat?
NO YOU CANNOT CLAIM THE VAT BAK IN THIS WAY WHEN YOU SUBMIT A VAT RETURN EVEY QUARTER.
Fuel card companies used to claim the Vat back on my behalf, for a commission and it didnbt take 3/5 weeks (unless the process has changed) , majority of the Vat claimed was from Blegium and took anytrhing upto a year to get back.
Securicor fuels in Ipswich I thinks and IDS are 2 of the companies that claim the Vat back for you. Speak with your card provider.
alix776:
fuel here we go again what you think wil happen
bad to worst
routier:
paul b:
so lets get this straight, in all european countries when you purchase fuel you pay vat which i assume goes to that countries goverment, i can then submit a vat return to uk costums and excise and claim that vat back, is that correct?
so the prices we see banded about for fuel on mainland europe are inclusive of that countries vat?NO YOU CANNOT CLAIM THE VAT BAK IN THIS WAY WHEN YOU SUBMIT A VAT RETURN EVEY QUARTER.
Fuel card companies used to claim the Vat back on my behalf, for a commission and it didnbt take 3/5 weeks (unless the process has changed) , majority of the Vat claimed was from Blegium and took anytrhing upto a year to get back.
Securicor fuels in Ipswich I thinks and IDS are 2 of the companies that claim the Vat back for you. Speak with your card provider.
well there is a section on the vat return concerning input and output tax from eec countries and you actuallly calculate this in your return hence getting an admediate refund but i’ve never used it so don’t know the rates for different countries or wether it’s a straight 17.5% accross the board.
paul b:
well there is a section on the vat return concerning input and output tax from eec countries and you actuallly calculate this in your return hence getting an admediate refund but i’ve never used it so don’t know the rates for different countries or wether it’s a straight 17.5% accross the board.
Paul, that section of the VAT return is not for claiming back the VAT on fuel etc purchased abroad, it is for imports and exports. I have been completing VAT returns for over 16 years, in all that time only working over the water, and have never completed that section.
You use an agent to claim the foreign VAT back for you, you could try it yourself but you would need to speak and read several languages and deal with countless forms so an agent is easier.
For fuel I purchase with my Euroshell card I get the foreign VAT back within a month. The invoices are issued every two weeks and with one set of invoices you get a credit note for the VAT from the invoices two weeks before. For fuel I purchase with my DKV card, or any purchases not made with Euroshell, I send those invoices into the agent in Denmark every quarter and that VAT will take around a year to come back, depending on the country. Italy used to be one of the slowest in returning VAT but they have improved a lot after having their arses kicked by the EU for the time they were taking, around seven years. Luxembourg recently had the EU on their case as they have been getting slower in refunding it.
In some countries you can also claim back some of the duty on the fuel, France and Holland are two that spring to mind. You can also claim the VAT back on road tolls from those countries that charge VAT on tolls, France again for instance, and other things such as truck washes etc.
All this VAT is claimed back totally separately from your UK return and it is also not permitted to use more than one agent for foreign VAT recovery.
Pete, the RHA do keep members informed about what can and cannot be claimed
nice one,
in trucking mag it quotes fuel prices for the eu, bit out of date, the uk is 92p but it also gives74p for belgium so i assume that is inclussive of belgium vat?
does anyone know what their vat rate is?
21% in Belgium
19.6% in France
15% in Luxembourg
Those are the ones I can remember off the top of my head.
Went out to see the lads tonight and they’re all panic-buying . Queue’s down the roads for miles . Only a few have got petrol and diesel left but most of the nozzles are covered up.
Coffeeholic:
21% in Belgium
19.6% in France
15% in LuxembourgThose are the ones I can remember off the top of my head.
so assuming the belgium price is the same, thats a real cost of 58.4p ltr
as appossed to a current uk price of 81.7p ltr thats an incredible difference!
saying that, i was down in leicester today, bp garage 95.4p, just makes you wonder how much the fuel companies and individual garages exploit the situation to hike up their prices?
then i will aploigise for this mistake that i have made
If the Government decided to drop the duty on fuel, who do you think would benefit? It certainly wouldn’t be the ordinary working trucker. Our wages would remain the same whilst the bosses would make even more profit.
These fuel protests are organised by Tory-supporting bosses and farmers and they’ve succeeded in creating panic at the pumps.
Fuel may well be cheaper in other countries but at least we have free health care, free schooling and a benefits system.
I’d rather pay more for my petrol than have my credit card checked if I had to rush one of my children to hospital.
As for the price of diesel, who cares? I don’t have to pay for it and if the company I work for goes under because they haven’t budgeted properly, that’s their problem. I’ll just get another job.
well icant go to work as i cant fuel up al this bone heads have sucked the pumps dry here in bolton
i begged fieldings not to route me home…as a tramper the only time they ever route me home is when the stikes are on!!!
meatpaste:
As for the price of diesel, who cares? I don’t have to pay for it and if the
I would have thought just about everyone should care because the cost of everything we buy will rise. The things we need for day to day life, food for instance, not to mention the fuel to go to work in the first place. Even the leisure side of life gets more expensive with things like holidays costing a lot more. So everything costs more and your wages seem lower with out goings higher.
You say you don’t care if your company folds, you’ll just get another job, that may not be easy as you won’t be the only one looking. A lot of firms will have gone to the wall and with the numbers looking for jobs wages will be lower, people will work for less when they are desperate.
Still it seem you’ll be happy with higher costs and workmates and friends out of work as long as the ‘bosses’ and companies aren’t making a profit and going bust.
Coffeeholic:
You say you don’t care if your company folds, you’ll just get another job, that may not be easy as you won’t be the only one looking.
You now also have to compete with our Eastern european counterparts who apparently have a better work ethic than we do…
Coffeeholic:
meatpaste:
As for the price of diesel, who cares? I don’t have to pay for it and if theI would have thought just about everyone should care because the cost of everything we buy will rise. The things we need for day to day life, food for instance, not to mention the fuel to go to work in the first place. Even the leisure side of life gets more expensive with things like holidays costing a lot more. So everything costs more and your wages seem lower with out goings higher.
You say you don’t care if your company folds, you’ll just get another job, that may not be easy as you won’t be the only one looking. A lot of firms will have gone to the wall and with the numbers looking for jobs wages will be lower, people will work for less when they are desperate.
Still it seem you’ll be happy with higher costs and workmates and friends out of work as long as the ‘bosses’ and companies aren’t making a profit and going bust.
Typical ‘argument’ quoted by management I’m afraid. Worry people into thinking they’ll lose their jobs and you can do what you like with them.
this is exactly what we’re up against in this country, workers who don’t give a ■■■■ about the firm they work for because they’re all convinced if someone can afford to pay em a wage they must be making a mint
i honestly believe things have gone to far, another couple of years and there will be no brit haulage industry to call owt, they’ll still be work on speciallist stuff like steel & heavy but for general haulage, i think the nails are going in the coffin as we speak.
paul b:
this is exactly what we’re up against in this country, workers who don’t give a [zb] about the firm they work for because they’re all convinced if someone can afford to pay em a wage they must be making a mint
i honestly believe things have gone to far, another couple of years and there will be no brit haulage industry to call owt, they’ll still be work on speciallist stuff like steel & heavy but for general haulage, i think the nails are going in the coffin as we speak.
No, no, you’ve got me wrong. I absolutely LOVE being told to change my shifts at a moments notice. I LOVE the fact that I don’t get paid if I’m injured at work. I LOVE being told that they cannot afford to give us a pay rise by the managing director who owns five (yes, five!) expensive sports cars.
You keep doffing your cap friend and see where it gets you.
paul b:
this is exactly what we’re up against in this country, workers who don’t give a [zb] about the firm they work for because they’re all convinced if someone can afford to pay em a wage they must be making a mint :roll.
i couldn’t agree more Paul, and people wonder why firms are keen to employ ‘foreign’ workers.
meatpaste:
Typical ‘argument’ quoted by management I’m afraid. Worry people into thinking they’ll lose their jobs and you can do what you like with them.
You were the one who raised the subject of losing your job, I just pointed out that it may not be as easy to get another, in the current climate, as you think.
So you are happy for the price of fuel to rise, pushing up the cost of everything and making your wages not go as far, as long as it means companies aren’t making a profit, or as much profit.
Of course a drop in profits mean they either go to the wall or cut back on things like staff which means less employment opportunities. Still as long as the bosses and the companies are getting screwed we don’t need to worry about the cost of things or the lack of jobs.