Paul what ever you buy in any of the country of the EU has vat on it
in GERMANY its called mehrwertsteur MSW and is about 17% , IN belgium
it is 21% sorry do not know what it is called,
the worst place for claiming this back is ITALY every where else is quick ans about 3-5weeks normaly but ITALY forget it it will take a very long time to claim,
If you use fuel cards to fill up the most of these do recover the vat for you
if you ask them or some do automaticly,
what ever you pay out for and have a recipt/bill for and can claim for then you can also claim the vat, speak to your accountant as they must know all of this,as thats why one employs such a person to ensure that you are
upto date and informened, on these details,
so lets get this straight, in all european countries when you purchase fuel you pay vat which i assume goes to that countries goverment, i can then submit a vat return to uk costums and excise and claim that vat back, is that correct?
so the prices we see banded about for fuel on mainland europe are inclusive of that countries vat?
YES PAUL THEY ALL HAVE VAT ON THEIR GOODS JUST LIKE US AND
YOU CAN CLAIM THIS BACK TALK TO YOUR ACCOUNTANT THATS WHY YOU NEED SUCH A PERSON;THEY WILLRECOVER ALL YOU EXPENSES
THAT YOU INCCUR AND CAN CLAIM FOR;
sorry paul, but surely your accountant has told you if not why not ,okay you say you have only done GB but when strating a new venture is it not in this well paid proffessional persons intrest to inform you of all these things
also those clubs called RHA & FTA if you belong to one of those should aslo be informing you and all of its other members what one can claim for,
OR am I expecting too much OF THEM ALL
Paul if you are starting to come over here where are you aiming for,also any questions about the work put your questions on the forum as the amount of skills and up to date knowledge that is here can and will save you problems and even better still Money.
i’m not planning on doing any european until at least next summer, i was just wondering if the prices you see quoted for say belgium at 65p a ltr was inclusive of some vat thus making it even cheaper to the vat registered?
Paul if you are able to claim your VAT back then you will benifit from the
return of your VAT paid, plus depending how you pay for your fuel ,will also help. the majority of fuelcards now days do have a action to recover the VAT and it is very effiecent . IF you pay cash when you refuel try to get a written bill as wellbecause the ones from the garages have a tendencey
to fade away,
pete, i know all the ins n outs of uk vat, mainly because i’ve been vat reg for six years! the question, which i thought was a simple one is, are the fuel prices on mainland europe inclusive or exclusive of the particular countries vat? i.e 60p per litre in say belgium, is that plus vat?
i’m a bit confussed, why would a company driver give two [zb] about the price of fuel?
because this driver like most has to drive a vehicle to get to work. all though i only work 7 miles away it means at the times i start work between midnight and 4 am theres not many buses around at that time in the morning and a taxi will cost £7 there and back.
i could push bike it to work but its not much fun when its [zb] down with rain.
i’m a bit confussed, why would a company driver give two [zb] about the price of fuel?
because this driver like most has to drive a vehicle to get to work. all though i only work 7 miles away it means at the times i start work between midnight and 4 am theres not many buses around at that time in the morning and a taxi will cost £7 there and back.
i could push bike it to work but its not much fun when its [zb] down with rain.
jon
ditto… mansfield to burton on trent… albeit only twice a week or fortnight sometimes… 34 miles each way… on my own petrol. Hmmmm must buy a deisel
so if the goverment buckle under the pressure and give the haulage industry some type of rebate on fuel, you’ll think it unfair because your pump price will be the same?
Talking of fuel costs for personal use…I drive 65 miles to work each day and another 65 home again. No fun after 11 hours work (and maybe 45 mins break). Of course, the cost of petrol for my car comes to about £300 a month. Wanna know the really funny part of the story■■? I deliver fuel to garages for a living!!!
ok someone mentioned a little further up about company drivers not being bothered about fuel prices. True, they shouldn’t worry about fuel prices of the company they drive for, but they use fuel to get to work and shopping and the like no? Imagine the number of owner drivers that are facing an ever increasing hike in there outgoings every week, the profits being sucked by yet another government source. Taxed to the hilt, and britain is looking a bit like the titanic in mid submersion!. There should be concessions from the government for the industry but then that would cost “Them” alot of money, and if they do it for one they have to make concessions for everyone else.
Remember the last time the fuel blockades happened, it was a totally fruitless exercise, it didn’t change anything otherwise we wouldn’t be looking at 99.9p a litre on derv and 92.9-97.9p a litre on unleaded now. Maybe having the conservatives back in would change things, i doubt it though.
When i drove past the petrol station last saturday and saw derv at 99.9 it was like a moment in history. I thought to myself, i wonder if in 20 years time, i’ll be telling my boy that i remember the day when derv was 99.9p a litre… and at the rate it’s going i’d reckon we’d be heading somewhere in the region of 3-4 quid a litre if the source hasn’t been depleted in 20 years time.
It’d be great to think that bringing the country to a stand still again would have an effect, but i would imagine that it would ■■■■■■■ alot of people in every way possible. Don’t get me wrong, if my gaffer turned round and said, that’s it you ain’t going out, i’d be all for it, but unfortunately big companies will pay the big prices and just add that to the cost of the goods and so in effect we’re paying the price of that action three times, once in the cost of fuel, two the unpaid time off work to prove and unprovable point and the cost of everything ya buy.
It’s a vicious circle of life, it’s the way the sheer greed of politics has distorted this country. I’d say i’d like to get out of this country and live somewhere else, but everywhere is the same, everywhere has exactly the same problems. We have no control so what is the point of fighting it? It’s human nature to fight and then ya back to cat and mouse!..
well the thing is this, i’m an owner driver, my fuel bill has risen by about £250 a month over the last eight months but thats on relatively low mileage so many others will have faced far bigger increases than me. now i’m fortunate enough to get a fuel surcharge on top of my rates that has covered this increase which obviously is passed on to me from the firm i sub my work off who in turn will have a proviso in their contract to the costomer to cover such increases. if the goverment come out today and say “right we’re knocking 20% off of fuel to bring us in line with mainland europe” what will happen? will we still get the same rates and earn a bucket load of money? no, our costomer and everyone else’s will want that same 20% reduction in the rates, financially we’d be no better off. what it would achieve though is to create a level playing field and stop foreign haulage companies coming into the uk for “easy” pickings.
the problem this goverment and those before it faces is that there are far to many vehicles on the road, something thats an ever growing problem, so do they reduce the fuel price at the pump and encourage even more people to drive on the uk motorways, that would be madness! so theres going to be no significant reduction at the pumps no matter who’s in power, if there is any concession it will be directly to the haulage industry maybe on the vat system but how many company drivers or members of the general public would support such a scheme?
paul b:
right so it’s not actually as cheap as it seems although still cheaper than the uk.
The thing is, if you think about it, the fuel prices rising has actually made the playing field slightly more level than it was beforehand, as the rise has been due to a rise in the actual fuel cost and not the tax, so the difference between the price here and on the continent has lessened.
For example, and using very round numbers, say fuel used to be 25p/litre, and in the UK you were taxed at 50p/litre and on the continent 25p/litre. That makes the total cost in the UK 75ppl and on the continent 50ppl. So fuel abroad is 33% cheaper than in the UK.
Now assume the fuel component of the cost doubles in price. In the UK you’re paying 100ppl, and in europe 75ppl. Now foreign fuel is only 25% cheaper.
In terms of total cost, the fuel in the UK has gone up be 33% but the fuel in europe up by 50%. It’s levelling things out.
