toby1234abc:
I was trained as an operations department practioner at a major hospital,to give some facts,the body has a self protection mechanism that shuts down the air way to protect your lungs,when you inhale smoke,the throat shuts,so in effect,you drown,as you can not undo that,the same when you breathe in fire,there was a haulage firm tipper boss called Tim Frew,from Frome in Somerset,he went out for a drinking session and dropped a ■■■ down his sofa,he opened the door to his flat,a back draft occured,and death followed in this way.
Hence why they say,you can drown in two inches of water,the throat goes in to a spasm,it is hard wired in to our brains.
toby
im pretty sure relatives if they read this forum wouldn’t want to be reading this and as for swans donkeys and all the other bollox you’ve come out with, are you on ■■■■■■ drugs and whats the relivence with this thread. doe us a favour and STFU!!!
Coffeeholic:
Are they suggesting it was the diesel in the truck tanks which caused the fire? I would have thought it was more likely petrol splashing onto the hot engine of one of the crashed cars which initiated it. The diesel might have later fuelled the fire but I don’t see it starting it.
I spent time as Oxfordshire Fire Service Cadet in the ‘90s and I remember being told something about the diesel boiling in the tank and then bursting out, vapourising and becoming much more explosive as it mixes with the air (think of pouring diesel onto a fire-it will burn well, but put it into a garden water sprayer and then see what happens).
It is strange in this day and age to see so many vehicles burn so quickly but with the heat many might’ve spontaneously combusted through heat conduction/convection…and if that Ginsters lorry was loaded those pasties would be in cardboard boxes which would burn well and boil that diesel in the units’ tanks…
repton:
To paraphrase my previous post, anyone who is short signed enough to use a single quote they read in the Daily Mail (or any other newspaper for that matter) to form a view on an entire industry is in my opinion probably not worth worrying about.
That aside any newspaper or other media organisation that quotes anything from here without permission from the original poster is breaking copyright law anyway - see the note in red at the bottom of every page.
Paul
That us either nieve or stupidest comment I’ve ever read the newspaper industry got caught deleting a dead girls phone messages so breach of copyright isn’t a big deal. Even if you stood a chance in court I doubt the admin team could afford it and the site owners definitely wouldn’t pay.
Leaving JDs post was a massive error of judgement on the part of the mods, in my opinion.
dle1uk:
I seriously cannot believe that mods are justifying their actions and saying what they have done is the correct way, we are,nt talking hearsay, or 1 guy calling someone else names ect that are the routine posts that are either deleted or locked, we are talking a serious mis judgement of placing a comment,
wether the incident was reported as a minor crash whatever it doesnt matter as we are constantly being reminded by admin not to post something without the facts…
and wether the incident was cars only, trucks vans ect whatever it doesnt deserve the comment…
the fact of read all the posts does not come into it as one poor comment can outdo a hell of a lot of good work,
I,m sure if i had placed the post or some other guys on here it would have been instantly blocked,
I’m a Swede as rejoined this forum a few days ago. Of source this forum will own the “free words” but at the some time we would think about our fellow users. We may try not to be too hard against each other. It is easy say what we wish but if you should stand eye against him/she as you will blame should you use same word or should you take that step?
I recently watched our news canal Aktuellt and they claimed 7 were lost to their live, 50 was more or less injured and are fighting for their life. They can be a father, grandfather, mother and grandmother, young as old. They can have small children, youngster all very beloved. Let us give our energy and think of them and leave the cause to what happen. It is more worthy they all as have been hurt they can go out from the hospital all or how? It is not 10 rather 50 so we have much to in our heart think on.
I’m myself moderator of AMDusers.com and I assure it isn’t an easy undertaking. Of source we can discover to late an unsuitable and offensive message. And as a moderator I have to receive criticism but I can also get my view on tings as not is good in a forum. But I newer leave a member confused rather I try to get him/her to understand why I have done as I did.
Let me say to your dead countrymen: Rest in Pease my unknown friends.
Thank you for taking time read my message.
Lars-Gunnar
I’m a Swede as rejoined this forum a few days ago. Of source this forum will own the “free words” but at the some time we would think about our fellow users. We may try not to be too hard against each other. It is easy say what we wish but if you should stand eye against him/she as you will blame should you use same word or should you take that step?
I recently watched our news canal Aktuellt and they claimed 7 were lost to their live, 50 was more or less injured and are fighting for their life. They can be a father, grandfather, mother and grandmother, young as old. They can have small children, youngster all very beloved. Let us give our energy and think of them and leave the cause to what happen. It is more worthy they all as have been hurt they can go out from the hospital all or how? It is not 10 rather 50 so we have much to in our heart think on.
There are 7 confirmed dead and 51 injured I believe
If I’m understanding your post correctly you’re saying people here should stick to expressing condolences to the loved ones of the deceased and sympathy for the injured rather than speculating about the cause of the accident and bickering amongst ourselves.
If I’ve interpreted that correctly then I agree 100%
Mr B:
That us either nieve or stupidest comment I’ve ever read the newspaper industry got caught deleting a dead girls phone messages so breach of copyright isn’t a big deal. Even if you stood a chance in court I doubt the admin team could afford it and the site owners definitely wouldn’t pay.
That part of my post was an aside really, the main point was in the first paragraph that you haven’t commented on and I stand by that point.
Mr B:
Leaving JDs post was a massive error of judgement on the part of the mods, in my opinion.
So you keep saying, and you are of course perfectly entitled to that opinion. The three mods/admins who have an expressed their view on this thread seem to have the opposite view though which we are also entitled to.
dle1uk:
I,m sure if i had placed the post or some other guys on here it would have been instantly blocked,
For the record I would not have removed that post whoever posted it, and although I don’t claim to speak for them I doubt any of the other mods would have either. As I posted earlier in situations like that I personally think it’s much better for people to fall on their sword than to take it off them.
dle1uk:
I,m sure if i had placed the post or some other guys on here it would have been instantly blocked,
For the record I would not have removed that post whoever posted it, and although I don’t claim to speak for them I doubt any of the other mods would have either. As I posted earlier in situations like that I personally think it’s much better for people to fall on their sword than to take it off them.
Theres a lot of bloody paranoia on here the last couple of days ,if i felt the way some do i wouldnt bother coming on here anymore.
For what its worth i think repton done the right thing leaving things as they were so everybody could see what was going on and in the cold light of day jd’s apologised for his “heat of the moment” comment and i think he s shown he,s just human and sometimes makes errors of judgement ,as do we all.
Coffeeholic:
Are they suggesting it was the diesel in the truck tanks which caused the fire? I would have thought it was more likely petrol splashing onto the hot engine of one of the crashed cars which initiated it. The diesel might have later fuelled the fire but I don’t see it starting it.
I spent time as Oxfordshire Fire Service Cadet in the ‘90s and I remember being told something about the diesel boiling in the tank and then bursting out, vapourising and becoming much more explosive as it mixes with the air (think of pouring diesel onto a fire-it will burn well, but put it into a garden water sprayer and then see what happens).
It is strange in this day and age to see so many vehicles burn so quickly but with the heat many might’ve spontaneously combusted through heat conduction/convection…and if that Ginsters lorry was loaded those pasties would be in cardboard boxes which would burn well and boil that diesel in the units’ tanks…
This,
In the investigation into the Paddington Rail crash it was proven that under impact the diesel in the train that ran the red signal vaporised and ignited as if it was aviation fuel, its was that which caused the most fatalities.
This is the kind of thing that makes me mad
I, along with a car on the inside lane, had to brake very sharply as we both hit a solid wall of white that came out of nowhere.
I said I weren’t going to post anymore, but here go’s.
JD made a massive error. I aren’t anymore impressed than the rest of you. But I think we should leave slamming the Mods (if this is what you really want to do with your time ) and focus on this tragic incident.
The public are sometimes too quick to judge us, bickering over a matter of opinion, on a thread about such an awful event, does not help our image. Please put it down now. Offer your thoughts, prayers and wishes and make the most of being with our loved ones this weekend. If we are reading and taking part in this, then we are truly fortunate.
I saw JD’s post on here and didn’t agree with it at all. I also saw his post on Facebook saying he hoped whoever caused the accident on the M42 yesterday spent the rest of their life in a wheelchair, I didn’t agree with that one either, I guess he was not a happy bunny yesterday. I didn’t delete the post on here because although I didn’t agree with it it didn’t break any rules. I also feel leaving it and the reaction it provoked caused JD to have a rethink and he might think twice next time. It seems he removed both the one on here and the FB one after reading the comments.
Personally I have never deleted a post on here just because I didn’t agree with it, or personally found it offensive, but I have removed some I did agree with because they broke TruckNet’s rules. That’s the nature of a forum.
MR VAIN:
I said I weren’t going to post anymore, but here go’s.
JD made a massive error. I aren’t anymore impressed than the rest of you. But I think we should leave slamming the Mods (if this is what you really want to do with your time ) and focus on this tragic incident.
The public are sometimes too quick to judge us, bickering over a matter of opinion, on a thread about such an awful event, does not help our image. Please put it down now. Offer your thoughts, prayers and wishes and make the most of being with our loved ones this weekend. If we are reading and taking part in this, then we are truly fortunate.
Rob.
No he didn’t,he voiced an opinion which met with such vitriol and bile that he felt he needed to apologise.
The whole site seems to have taken on some sort of Diana style fake grief that can only be 1,very public, and 2,for someone you have never met. We are turning into a nation that expects counselling no matter how far removed we are from the subject. Thats my opinion,which will probably differ from yours.,or the one you are prepared to admit to!
MR VAIN:
I said I weren’t going to post anymore, but here go’s.
JD made a massive error. I aren’t anymore impressed than the rest of you. But I think we should leave slamming the Mods (if this is what you really want to do with your time ) and focus on this tragic incident.
The public are sometimes too quick to judge us, bickering over a matter of opinion, on a thread about such an awful event, does not help our image. Please put it down now. Offer your thoughts, prayers and wishes and make the most of being with our loved ones this weekend. If we are reading and taking part in this, then we are truly fortunate.
Rob.
No he didn’t,he voiced an opinion which met with such vitriol and bile that he felt he needed to apologise.
The whole site seems to have taken on some sort of Diana style fake grief that can only be 1,very public, and 2,for someone you have never met. We are turning into a nation that expects counselling no matter how far removed we are from the subject. Thats my opinion,which will probably differ from yours.,or the one you are prepared to admit to!
The error being that he made a collous comment before realising the full extent.
Fake grief? Its’ called compassion.
For someone you have never met? Do you know that for sure?
I have zero issues with admitting my true feelings in public.
I drove down Yarmouth sea front last August in floods of tears, in front of thousands of people, I’m not ashamed of that, me and my 82 mates!!!
Dunno then?:
No he didn’t,he voiced an opinion which met with such vitriol and bile that he felt he needed to apologise.
The way I see it, JD posted his comment BEFORE he was aware of the full extent of the nature of this incident. The vitriolic replies came from people who were better informed because they had access to (A) more information than JD & (B) more information than JD.
I used to work in recovery & I know that JD is guilty of nothing more than what 99% of other drivers are guilty of.
Dunno then?:
The whole site seems to have taken on some sort of Diana style fake grief that can only be 1,very public, and 2,for someone you have never met. We are turning into a nation that expects counselling no matter how far removed we are from the subject. Thats my opinion,which will probably differ from yours.,or the one you are prepared to admit to!
Are you saying my grief for the M5 victims is fake?
moomooland: Puting the behaviour of car drivers aside, in my honest opinion the cause of many HGV accidents on motorways today are due to speed limiters. You join a motorway and slot in on which something like resembles a conveyer belt, thus you are sat there unable to make any head way with the vehicle in front or pull away from the vehicle behind with only feet between each vehicle. I have always said speed limiters are a recipe for disaster, as with out doubt, they cause major bunching up of HGV’s with no one easing off the pedal to leave a safe distance. I drive night trunk, and can from experience, tell you that i have seen it take from Keele to Knutsford services for one HGV to pass another with neither willing to give way. I don’t pull over any more to let someone on at a slip road, as you are left stuck in the middle lane for miles elephant racing with the driver on the inside who wont back off…
Couldnt agree more "moomooland" . Also believe the cruise control has a lot to play in accidents. It can become mind numbing driving mile after mile with the electronics in control. Many firms seem to insist drivers engage cruise as they say it gives better fuel economy.The thought of running full tilt into something, while I was distracted, would be a worry. I believe when you` are in control you react subconsciously as things develop were as cruise control has to wait for you to react so adding a few more seconds to the equation.
May I add my condolences to the family’s of the bereaved and wish everyone a safe journey home.
) and focus on this tragic incident.